Accelerator vs Esdeath

[Schnee_One]

@Schnee one

Who is going against this? It's canon that he can manipulate dark matter and it's also canon that he has manipulated things that are considered scalars in real life. This is all canon.

Back onto the fight though I think Esdeath having knowledge or Accel's ability or not and how it works might be important in this fight.

The fact that he can do this? No one

The fact that it matters this fight? Me, Esdeath doesn't have vectorless ice, just standard ice and time Stop, she also has no knowledge.

 

[Malox1696]

@Malox The Magneto example doesn't apply when that is still steel that's just really hot
Esdeath does not use ice to literally freeze time. It's a swoerate application of her Teigu

>her teigu has ice manipulation power

>she says she freezes time and space

>she developed the tecqnie by herself

>Nah it gotta be time and space manipulation

if that's not over reaching I don't know what is

 

[Schnee_One]

...You kinda need to affect time and space to stop time...

Like seriously, how does time Stop that "Freezes time and space" not affect "Time and Space"

 

[Scrlk666777]

She has no knowledge?

If this is the case would Esdeath actually use time stop or rather would she even think there's any use in using it?

If one doesn't know of Accel's ability most, if any, would guess he can control vectors. In fact she would most likely think he has some kind of force field and/or some kind of attack reflection that allows him to reflect attack back.

If she uses everything against Accel before using time stop and everything is being reflected back at her, she might just believe that even in time stop this would also be the case.

and since her time stop tires her extremely she might think that there's no point.

 

[Malox1696]

It affects space-time but brought a medium, her manipulation power, do u get it ?

let's make an example with accel since he is her opponent

accel has vector manipulation

he can affect gravity with his ability

if character A is immune to vector manipulation but vulnerable to gravity manipulation do u think the accel could control his gravity ? No, as the medium he would use would be negated

 

[Schnee_One]

@Scrilk

1. Esdeaths time Stop doesn't "Tire her extremely" for a person who stopped time and fought off Night Raid while laughing.

2. If she uses literally everything against him and she has no other option she will use it, she isn't an idiot set on sitting there and dying.

 

[Scrlk666777]

Yes but if she believes that he only has reflecton she might just think that all she needs to do is stop attacking him.

And would she even guess she's in danger as well from him reflecting her attacks? She might just accept that she can't do anything to him rather than think he's a danger to her life at this point.

 

[Schnee_One]

Esdeath not attacking Accelerator would be her assuming that time Stop won't work even if she tried, Esdeath isn't drained massively when she does it

At the absolute worst Esdeath goes "Worth a try" and then stops time."

Even then someone reflecting all of Esdeaths attacks like nothing is practically unheard of in AGK, assuming he isn't a threat to her after doing that would be out of the question.

 

[Malox1696]

Leaving aside that it would not work,

she used time stop only when she was about to lose or die, if she ever touches/gets hit the field around accel she would die from the reversal of blood and bio electricity

my vote stll the sma ea stomp

 

[Schnee_One]

<Only when she was about to lose or die

And?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

You know, this match are interesting and then it goes downhill like crap

 

[TIHYDDWBE]

Accelerator is going to be at least 5-b soon anyway.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

...nani

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bakana..

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

On a scale from 1 to 10, how much does Pre-H Accel job? So I can know who to vote for.

 

[TIHYDDWBE]

really depends on whether hes having a good day or a bad day.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

On a scale from 1 to 10, how much does Pre-H Accel job? So I can know who to vote for.

I'd say 8

 

[Schnee_One]

9/10

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Then I'd vote for Esdeath.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Thats 5 votes I think

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Yeah Esdeath fra

 

[Accelerate420]

4 if his opponent doesn't try running away and talks back (unlesss you're Touma or have a method to getting through his redirection.) 7 if his opponent is trying to space him out. 10 if it's obligatory time stop immediately.

 

[Xantospoc]

The Albino gets one shot, although Esdeath might not walk out ot if uninjuried

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

The Albino gets one shot, although Esdeath might not walk out ot if uninjuried

Is that a vote?

 

[Malox1696]

all the votes are based in the fact that 1) the time stop works but it wouldn't, considering what power she uses to achieve it and 2) she knows about accel power and never goes melee and uses time stop the moment she is about to be hit (she only used it when it was game over, like AFTER getting hit by the blade or just before mission failure with VIP death)

both are arguments with no foundations

 

[Accelerate420]

It doesn't matter since the fight is technically has no reason to happen now since pre is about to be scaled to post Accel soon, so this fight is gonna go outdated very soon via relativistic amp blitz.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

It doesn't matter since the fight is technically has no reason to happen now since pre is about to be scaled to post Accel soon, so this fight is gonna go outdated very soon via relativistic amp blitz.

Will his dura still be 9-C without vectors?

 

[Accelerate420]

Yup. He's not scaling to wings, just his Post-Headshot NT22's stats.

 

[Schnee_One]

all the votes are based in the fact that 1) the time stop works but it wouldn't, considering what power she uses to achieve it and 2) she knows about accel power and never goes melee and uses time stop the moment she is about to be hit (she only used it when it was game over, like AFTER getting hit by the blade or just before mission failure with VIP death)

both are arguments with no foundations

What is it with you thinking you're authority overrides all the votes just because you disagree even though every single person disagreed with you?

2) Outright ignores literally every time she used time Stop to avoid an attack instead of getting hit.

 

[Schnee_One]

Yup. He's not scaling to wings, just his Post-Headshot NT22's stats.

<When Kakine might get a buff

Ohhhhh.....I like

 

[RKGenki]

2) she knows about accel power and never goes melee and uses time stop the moment she is about to be hit

"never"

 

[Scrlk666777]

Yup. He's not scaling to wings, just his Post-Headshot NT22's stats.

<When Kakine might get a buff
Ohhhhh.....I like

Actually the discussion is removing Kakine's scaling to Accel, so he shouldn't be getting a buff. He should have never been scaled to Accel anyway.

 

[Schnee_One]

DAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!

Although that would explain how Kakine hit Accel through his shield but didn't kill him.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Wait but doesn't Accel have human durability? If Kakine could hit him through the shield without it killing Accel, how weak is Kakine? Actual question btw.

 

[Scrlk666777]

Kakine hasn't got a massive AP, so his 7-B tier was always a bit off. Kakine's ability is more based on creation and durability rather than outright AP. But I'm not sure how he didn't kill Accel but Accel himself is a strange one in this regard.

 

[Schnee_One]

Kakine will probably be like 9C.

Accel didn't even really hit him during their fight to protect civilians and completely stomped him when he got serious.

 

[Scrlk666777]

Personally I think Kakine should be about 8-B-8-A. He and Accel was causing immense damage to the street and buildings.

To be honest Kakine should have never been scaled to Accel for the reason you just stated. Accel was holding back and when he did get serious Kakine was defeated easily.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

No problem

 

[Schnee_One]

Eh lemme just keep waiting till then I guess.

 

[Accelerate420]

To begin with, Kakine's wings probably do not have a set AP more so than it's dependant on the materials he has created using them. Smacking Accel with that wing through his barrier may not have the same affect as slicing through a building considering he's infusing 25k different particles and matter into it at the same time. His wings are likely far higher than his own natural AP is. Accelerator did launch an attack that far exceeded a Railgun's velocity which was enough to evaporate a rock just barely meters after it's kicked, and he tanked it like it was nothing with his wings. Though with true DM manipulation AP is not really a thing for him.