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I was thinking that Buddha might be H1A+. I don't think Yog-Sothoth can be tier 0.
Ultima used Yog-Sothoth as an example of a character that would qualify for the new Tier 0.
Why? If it's because of the Tellurian, it cant be because Buddha transcends the Tellurian (You cannot transcend a High 1-A+ structure unless you are Tier 0 yourself, otherwise it's a contradiction for High 1-A+)
Not very familiar with the book but the current description in the profile is textbook High 1-A+. Plus, in the same thread I linked above, Ultima used SRE as an example of a character that would qualify for High 1-A+.
Yog-Sothoth, is a pretty easy Tier 0, has oneness that transcends all individuality distinctions. With that, it transcends all multiplicity.
It needs to be confirmed that it is a definitive monad for a tier 0, but is Yog-Sothoth or Azathoth stronger? This question hasn't received a definitive answer for years. Also, Yog-Sothoth may be superior to other archetypes, but wouldn't his belonging to a faction drop him from tier 0?
Nope, it just needs statements and feats to be Tier 0. Just being called a monad without feats to back it up can't be taken seriously.
That does not matter in this case. They are of the same
Not in this context. Being a part of eternal, totally changeless beings etc already removes some antifeats and makes it easier to get to Tier 0. They just need to be higher than them; it is similar to the Form of the Good.
Is there any evidence that both are the same entity?
When I said the character needs to be a monad, I meant "it must have the necessary things to be a monad."
Seems tier 0 for his Atzmus key.
First key is High 1-A+. Second key not so sure, but seems tier 0.
Easily tier 0.
At least High 1-A, but definitely not tier 0 since IATIA is already tier 0 in that verse,
Technically, should be Tier 0 under some interpretations, but not under other interpretations. Though for the interpretation on this wiki specifically which currently treats Yog as different from Azathoth, it won't be tier 0.
Same as Yog.
Supposedly High 1-A if the Ultimate Void is completely beyond the Dreamlands' hierarchy of R>F
should be High 1A due to them being in a state of oneness, where distinctions are illusory.
I suppose yeah
High 1-A+ for God cuz Divine Simplicity | Tier 0 for The Atzmus cuz upscales from God and is a good example of platonic ineffability.
High 1-A+ for Self-Reference ENGINE since the thing is the ground of all being, unknowable, unnotable and idealistically perfect. | Tier 0 for the Provisional End since it's the only proper demonstration of Ineffability Thesis (straight up ends the book because of inability to be approached by language or symbols.) and deletes the entire setting.
Dunno
High 1-A. Bound by cosmology.
High 1-A+ | Manifestation of The Supreme Archetype who will be Tier 0 once the wiki learns how to read
High 1-A+ | Manifestation of The Supreme Archetype who will be Tier 0 once the wiki learns how to read
High 1-A+| Manifestation of The Supreme Archetype who will be Tier 0 once the wiki learns how to read
Ultima clearly stated that unsong cannot be tier 0.
I disagree with this idea because both are interpreted quite differently. While Yog-Sothoth is a very active god, Azathoth is a sleeping and dreaming being. And I don't think they were misinterpreted by dreamers at all.
Ultima clearly stated that unsong cannot be tier 0.
What's the reason it cannot be Tier 0?
I don't think Nemo Ex Machina will be tier 0. Because at the end of the book, it becomes clear that existence does not have the power to present all the stories at once. Nemo Ex Machina has all the possible stories, but it fails to deliver them all in one go.
I don't know, Ultima didn't make a statement about it. Here's a quote from her statement.
It should be one of the misconceptions from people, similar to the misconception of Azathoth, where all existence is part of Azathoth's dream, including the Ultimate Gods, the ultimate void, etc.
Hmm, Ultima would be more knowledgeable than me on the character, most likely, so it's not unreasonable. I only guessed the tier based on the description in the AP section of the profile, xD.
Again, I "heard that somewhere", although I like Cthulu Mythos, I'm not a follower of it, nor have I read the thing. It's all internet talk, so take it with a grain of salt if you will
Eh? I'm not a reader of the book, but their profile description says otherwise;
Could be, yeah.
The post mentions "God from Unsong", but the profile makes it clear that "God" is not Atzmus
Well this is an old profile and does not meet current tier 0 requirements. If you have the pdf of the book, there is a short article called Self Reference Engine in the last 5 or 6 pages.
True enough, most of the tier 0 profiles on the wiki are old, but that's natural given not so many people involve/ed tier 0 in vs battles even before the tier 0 standards revision. So such profiles having outdated info is not a surprise.
Tullurian is H1-A+ ? Really?
No. What I said is that the Tellurian can't be High 1-A+ because Buddha transcends it.
If my understanding is correct, the SRE shell embodies all states simultaneously. it has yet to tell, is telling, and has already finished telling everything.
SRE says in the book: I don't know how to explain it all at once.
Well, I actually thought about that too, but I didn't see enough good context here. In addition, the real form must be much superior to the shell form. Another element is that since the shell form cannot tell every story at once and does not know everything for several reasons, there is no evidence that the real form can do these things. At the end of the book he said that he did not know who he was and that he might even be one of Laplace's.I don’t think it’s that simple.
There are many factors to consider, such as the difference between the shell/absolute nothingness, what is “I” in epilogue referring, how should interpret of the additional commentary, and whether the commentary itself can be trusted.
I’m leaning towards H1A+ shell / 0 nothingness, but I can’t say for sure
Ideation.
