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Yeah, but even as an infant Great One, he should be more powerful than before.
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About Damn Time - The Soul of Cinder vs The Moon Presence
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTvCOgtO04
Ending One: Gehrman kills you, you wake up from the Nightmare. Nothing interesting in context to this.
Ending Two: The Moon Presence descends from the Moon and wraps its cords around you. In the scene, the Hunter doesn't act aggressively at all. They don't struggle. They walk, mesmerized, towards the Moon Presence, who holds them for a moment and embraces them. They don't even try to resist. (Hint hint, NOT AP. Stop making groundless assumptions.) We are then seen in Gehrman's Wheelchair. The MP got the Hunter into Gehrman's position. Literally nothing to suggest AP.
Ending Three: This is exactly the same up until the Moon Presence's embrace of the Hunter. A white light is emitted (not dissimilar to the Arcane textures in game now that I mention it) and the Moon Presence jumps away, clearly shaken by whatever just happened. Still LITERALLY NOTHING to suggest AP. No physical action is taken. The Hunter still has barely moved, really.
The scene ends with an enraged Moon Presence and when you kill it, you become an Infant Great One. There's a few theories as to why this happens, but they aren't terribly important, either.
So nothing at all for AP.
Ending One: Gehrman kills you, you wake up from the Nightmare. Nothing interesting in context to this.
Ending Two: The Moon Presence descends from the Moon and wraps its cords around you. In the scene, the Hunter doesn't act aggressively at all. They don't struggle. They walk, mesmerized, towards the Moon Presence, who holds them for a moment and embraces them. They don't even try to resist. (Hint hint, NOT AP. Stop making groundless assumptions.) We are then seen in Gehrman's Wheelchair. The MP got the Hunter into Gehrman's position. Literally nothing to suggest AP.
Ending Three: This is exactly the same up until the Moon Presence's embrace of the Hunter. A white light is emitted (not dissimilar to the Arcane textures in game now that I mention it) and the Moon Presence jumps away, clearly shaken by whatever just happened. Still LITERALLY NOTHING to suggest AP. No physical action is taken. The Hunter still has barely moved, really.
The scene ends with an enraged Moon Presence and when you kill it, you become an Infant Great One. There's a few theories as to why this happens, but they aren't terribly important, either.
So nothing at all for AP.
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"becoming an infant great one, makes sense you would be stronger"
No. It doesn't. Nothing at all suggests that. The Great Ones ascend via thought, as seen by Oedon, who ascended from a physical form to a formless voice. He is the greatest of the Great Ones.
Insight is your ability to see the Eldritch Truth, generally speaking. The more Insight you have, the greater the dangers are around you as you perceive them more clearly. You are able to see through the MP's Mindhax and engage in a fight with it because you consumed the Umbilical Cords.
There is NOTHING to suggest an AP shift. Why this misconception exists worries me.
No. It doesn't. Nothing at all suggests that. The Great Ones ascend via thought, as seen by Oedon, who ascended from a physical form to a formless voice. He is the greatest of the Great Ones.
Insight is your ability to see the Eldritch Truth, generally speaking. The more Insight you have, the greater the dangers are around you as you perceive them more clearly. You are able to see through the MP's Mindhax and engage in a fight with it because you consumed the Umbilical Cords.
There is NOTHING to suggest an AP shift. Why this misconception exists worries me.
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Why is the GBE of the Sun getting downgraded?
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Ok, nothing suggests that the Hunter's AP got upgraded, but what exactly suggests that MP mindhaxed the Hunter? Nothing as well, that's because the scene is open to interpretations.Mr. Bambu said:
And it's definitely not mindhax, since Insight canonically doesn't help with that.
On the other hand, while the MP didn't seem to care about the Hunter in the beginning, he clearly felt threatened after seeing the manifested power of the umbylical cords.
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But that's the value that comes up if you Google the Sun's GBE.Therefir said:
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Anyway, Soul of Cinder is fodder compared to The Nameless King ovo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTyQOKzMKp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTyQOKzMKp8
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Also, I think people are ignoring that a character that is way below MP's level just creates lots of 4-C beings to use as bait.
Even if we consider that Moon Presence mindhaxed the Hunter (which I disagree), he'd still be more than 9 times above baseline 4-C.
Even if we consider that Moon Presence mindhaxed the Hunter (which I disagree), he'd still be more than 9 times above baseline 4-C.
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Because the Hunter didn't attack the MP. At all. A Great One, that which the Hunter attacks automatically despite being peaceful towards them (Rom and Ebrietas don't attack until you do). Additionally, the ending in which the Hunter takes Gehrman's place doesn't make sense. Why would it happen? The Hunter has no reason to take part in that. It only makes sense that the MP somehow made the Hunter do it. Which makes sense- MP has the means to, the motive to, etc etc.
So yes, actually. It can be mindhax. I don't know why you think Insight canonically doesn't link up with this, since that isn't true, but... well. Look above.
So yes, actually. It can be mindhax. I don't know why you think Insight canonically doesn't link up with this, since that isn't true, but... well. Look above.
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The Hunter doesn't attack MP after manifesting the umbylical cords power either, MP is the one to attack and he does that simply by seeing that the Hunter is a threat. And why does he see the Hunter as a threat? Because the power of the umbylical cords had manifested, so yeah, it's very likely to be related to AP.Mr. Bambu said:
The Hunter replaces Gehrman because he can't oppose the one who made him do that, which is MP. As I said before, Gehrman was the "host" of the Hunter's Dream and he obviously didn't get mindhaxed by Moon Presence, because you know, he's crazy (probably due to his age), but not Micolash-like crazy. So why doesn't he oppose MP? The only thing I can think is: he's not powerful enough to.
About the Insight thing, it does not in anyway help with mindhax. In-game, mindhax is Frenzy, Insight makes you more susceptible to Frenzy. So how exacty a thing that makes you weaker to Frenzy would help with not being mindhaxed? So yes, canonically, Insight doesn't help with mindhax/Frenzy.
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Anyway, I think I've lost the focus.
Even considering that MP mindhaxed the Hunter, he'd still be above 9 times superior to baseline 4-C. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
Even considering that MP mindhaxed the Hunter, he'd still be above 9 times superior to baseline 4-C. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
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I know, I didn't vote for MP. I just said he probably has the AP advantage here.Keeweed said:
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The moon presence doesnt have a crippling weakness to lightning, it just takes SLIGHTLY more damage from it
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>SoS is weak to sorceries
>MP uses magic-based attacks
Um yeah he does
>MP uses magic-based attacks
Um yeah he does
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wouldn't the moon presence's attacks be blood manipulation ?
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Yes his ranged attacks deal arcane damageKeeweed said:
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Can we just finaly write this off as inconclusive? It has been like a bazillion posts now, and there WILL be no end to this discussion. This has gone way out of bounds.
Both are ludicrously powerful Characters and have way to complicated abilitys, nevermind that nobody knows if even half of their abilitys work on the other, so please...
END THIS MADNESS:
Both are ludicrously powerful Characters and have way to complicated abilitys, nevermind that nobody knows if even half of their abilitys work on the other, so please...
END THIS MADNESS:
