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>No, but destroying reality = erasing it. You cant physically destroy concept.
Again, no its not. A reality isnt a concept and not every reality destroyer and their mother here has existence erasure for being able to destroy realities. Want evidence? Refer to the dragon ball character's I pointed out.
>I dont recall a universe and reality being the same thing.
.....but...they are.
>It's not remotely established to this day, and yet it's on the Chrono Navigator's wiki page? okay.
Or it just means whoever edited the Navigator's page did a poor job of giving actual justifications to whats on it. Which, for many pages here, isn't new.
>It's not really a false equvalency, when you said that we shouldnt scale Alien X due to him never directly getting compared with the weapons, implying you need to get directly compared to something in order to scale from something else.
For one, this isn't purely the only reason why Alien X shouldn't scale to them. Only part of it. Hence the "especially".
Two, Android 16 directly scales to Cell, who directly scales to Frieza and Goku. Therefore, 16 scales to Frieza, Goku and other characters in the same tier. How this isn't "direct" is beyond me. You can scale to other people if who you scale to scales to them as well. Like if Character A fights Character B, who scales to Character C, then A scales to C as well for fighting someone C is comparable to. Character B. This is pretty simple.
>Well then, how come Sour and most of Whis siblings other than Vados, have literally 0 feats yet are scaled from Jiren, purely from statements???
The Angels are not scaled from Jiren for one. They scale from the God of Destructions for being far superior to them, which is why they're "Likely 2-C" now. Refer to
Whis to see this for yourself.
But even disregarding that, a very casual Jiren is on the level of the Gods of Destructions. The Angels are far stronger than the gods of destructions. Hence, they scale from Jiren for being on level with characters the Angels outclass easily. Once again, simple scaling.
>also i never said they could do anything.
....But you literally did. This entire thread, to upgrade Celestialspaines above the Navigator. And expecting me to not take omnipotent literally, but take "can do anything" literally to scale Celestialsapiens above whatever you want them to is blatant cherry picking of statements.
>Care to give an example, where someone is stated to be omnipotent by credible characters and the authors of the series, yet still do not scale from every character within their series? Because if not, your point hardly matters.
Literally named 3 characters already that dont, but okay.
>By this logic the The One Above All from marvel should not scale from every being in marvel, yet he does.
The One Above All is incredibly different from what we're dealing with for Celesitalspaiens here. Besides being a 1-A transcendent being.
>All it really mean is that King Boo and Kaguya's most powerful attack is massively above their regular durabilty and everything else within the series.
Exactly, and it's the same here for the Chrono Navigator.
>to my knowledge the speed at which an infinite speed object/being destroys the multiverse is completely irrelevant
The Navigator is literally a
device. It's not infinite in speed whatsoever.
>and after watching it again, Eon speeds up the destruction caused by space-time manipulation via shooting out a beam of energy into the sky most likely tearing reality apart faster or bringing the universes closer to each other (he was anchoring them after all)
Which is still not an outright 2-B feat. At the most, thats speeding up the chain reaction process of destroying existence, which doesn't negate the fact that it's an overtime feat either way. Especially since even after releasing energy, nothing is destroyed whatsoever. A storm is generated, that's it.
>As for why Eon did not immediately destroy reality when he wanted to, no idea, showing off maybe, just PIS, doesn't really matter because it should be infinite speed scaling from Paradox.
Read what I said above. The navigator is literally just a device, it has no speed or movement to it in any way, shape or form. Hence why there is no speed rating for it because it doesn't use speed. And for self explanatory reasons.
Anyway, PIS can't be used here. This episode is explicitly the one and only showing of the Navigator's destructive capabilities. For something to be PIS, it needs to have previous higher end showings to contradict lower end inconsistencies, which the Navigator doesn't have. The Navigator never demonstrates it's power outside this episode. If it doesn't start destroying reality, let alone immediately, then that's what it's display is. 2-B destruction through an overtime chain reaction process that scales to no one.
Also, can people STOP DERAILING this thread with off-topic nonsense? How many times does this need to be asked? All of the stuff involving souls, mind hax, whatever, take it elsewhere.