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@Kukui just for info, you think Servantis' statement is only 2-C or low 2-C?
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About 2-B Alien X (Continued)
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I dont think it should be anything honestly (besides existence erasure, Alien X can keep that). But I' prefer it if that was talked about in a different thread like with the CTB to not clutter this one.
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You didn't address anything related to the Sol Emeralds anymore.
Since when is the Void destroying a universe in a minute fast? The Navigator was gonna destroy all of existence in a few minutes tops, shown by Paradox losing his calm and even suggesting things that might not always work (syncronised transformation). So that's way faster than the Void.
The Sol Emeralds also don't directly destroy anything and instead create one big rift and some small rifts (I think) and forms a storm, which is very close to what happens with the Navigator.
Since when is the Void destroying a universe in a minute fast? The Navigator was gonna destroy all of existence in a few minutes tops, shown by Paradox losing his calm and even suggesting things that might not always work (syncronised transformation). So that's way faster than the Void.
The Sol Emeralds also don't directly destroy anything and instead create one big rift and some small rifts (I think) and forms a storm, which is very close to what happens with the Navigator.
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yeah of course you always do have issues about Alien_X feats, yet now you do have issues with servantis statement, of course yeah just more dowplayes, okey budy tell me whats wrong with servantis statement? Huh? It's because you don't understand English? Okey I'll help you here's a dictionary : https://www.dictionary.com you can use it if you do have some ISSUES to understand EnglishProfessorKukui4Life said:
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@Bad don't go there, good way to get yourself banned. Either his arguments don't make sense and it'll be easily debunked or they do make sense and then we'll have a conversation. Now please stop detailing this thread, I already asked Kukui why he thinks Servantis' statement is unreliable on his wall.
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>You didn't address anything related to the Sol Emeralds anymore.
Because there's really nothing left to address about it. Therasur backed up my saying on why the emeralds are 2-C because of their feats being incredibly casual
>Since when is the Void destroying a universe in a minute fast?
I said second, not minute.
>The Navigator was gonna destroy all of existence in a few minutes tops
There's absolutely nothing that supports the multiverse being destroyed this fast. Like I said before, even when Eon intentfully tries destroying existence despite Paradox's prior warning, absolutely nothing in the Ben 10 Multiverse begins to be eradicated on any level. Not even within the Bens universes the Navigator is physically present in and achored together. We see it create a storm and thats it.
There's literally no timeframe you can give the Navigator that won't be pure speculation.
>The Sol Emeralds also don't directly destroy anything and instead create one big rift and some small rifts (I think) and forms a storm
No, the space-time distortions they were creating were going to destroy Sonic and Blaze's universes, this was already answered by Theuser earlier.
Because there's really nothing left to address about it. Therasur backed up my saying on why the emeralds are 2-C because of their feats being incredibly casual
>Since when is the Void destroying a universe in a minute fast?
I said second, not minute.
>The Navigator was gonna destroy all of existence in a few minutes tops
There's absolutely nothing that supports the multiverse being destroyed this fast. Like I said before, even when Eon intentfully tries destroying existence despite Paradox's prior warning, absolutely nothing in the Ben 10 Multiverse begins to be eradicated on any level. Not even within the Bens universes the Navigator is physically present in and achored together. We see it create a storm and thats it.
There's literally no timeframe you can give the Navigator that won't be pure speculation.
>The Sol Emeralds also don't directly destroy anything and instead create one big rift and some small rifts (I think) and forms a storm
No, the space-time distortions they were creating were going to destroy Sonic and Blaze's universes, this was already answered by Theuser earlier.
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I'll answer your mssg on my wall in a bit btw.
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User then corrected himself by saying it should still be 2-C if it was not passively, indicating that was not the reason it's 2-C.
My bad, Chrono Nav is still faster tho.
Except the holy shit we have to stop this now reaction that everyone has.
The universes were merging and the space-time distortions is only in Sonic's universe not Blaze's.
My bad, Chrono Nav is still faster tho.
Except the holy shit we have to stop this now reaction that everyone has.
The universes were merging and the space-time distortions is only in Sonic's universe not Blaze's.
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If you're referring to this, then its not a correction. It's a guess made off of a purely hypothetical example thats different from whats actually happened.Theuser789 said:
And the Navigator isn't faster. The Void from Dimentio at the absolute least destroys universes for every passing second it expands. The Navigator didn't even destroy 1 when Eon tried using it to destroy existence.
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User thinking that this is also 2-C, means that it being done passively was not brought up as the sole reason for it being 2-C and hence contradicts his previous statement. Regardless I asked for some clarification on this again in the Sonic thread.
Destroying them all at once is a thing just like the CTB did. Also who said it didn't destroy any dimensions, stuff like Dagon's dimension could be destroyed who knows.
Destroying them all at once is a thing just like the CTB did. Also who said it didn't destroy any dimensions, stuff like Dagon's dimension could be destroyed who knows.
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Or the hypothetical example you gave can have a number of other factors as well, like it being hypothetically done quickly. Or Theuser is just wrong about thinking it's still 2-C. Your literally relying on one person guessing it's still 2-C to have an argument.
And exactly why I said it's pure speculation for the Navigator.
And exactly why I said it's pure speculation for the Navigator.
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You're literally relying on one person to have an argument as well because I've never seen something being done passively suddenly mean they get a higher tier than if it wasn't done passively.
We only assume multiverse busting is an overtime feat if it's actually shown or stated that way. Otherwise any statement of someone saying they'll destroy the multiverse would be invalid, which is not the case at all.
We only assume multiverse busting is an overtime feat if it's actually shown or stated that way. Otherwise any statement of someone saying they'll destroy the multiverse would be invalid, which is not the case at all.
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The Egg Salamender was pretty much going to merge both universes to create a Eggmanland beyond this dimension, since the merge stopped once Blaze got her emeralds back, so even though they have a passive feat, I don't think being passive or not would change a tier
But I watched Ben 10 years ago and never watched omminverse, so I can't really help out
Also just to point out but all the universes that were destroyed at the end of Super Paper Mario already had voids just as big as Sammer Kingdom before Luigi became the host, as seen in Dimentio's tag game, for example world 4 and world 7 had way smaller voids and they weren't show to be destroyed there, just saying, don't know how much this is relevant here
But I watched Ben 10 years ago and never watched omminverse, so I can't really help out
Also just to point out but all the universes that were destroyed at the end of Super Paper Mario already had voids just as big as Sammer Kingdom before Luigi became the host, as seen in Dimentio's tag game, for example world 4 and world 7 had way smaller voids and they weren't show to be destroyed there, just saying, don't know how much this is relevant here
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Ok thanks for your input again User.
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>Okay, i'll give you that the void takes several days to complete it's feat. However, there's 2 important factors that you aren't considering that makes it very different from what the Navigator does.
The void needs to be grown for several days before it can destroy all of existance, there is no proof that Dimentio could destroy all of existance mere seconds after opening the void . When Dimentio got the Chaos Heart, the void was already big enough to destroy all of existance, it never decreased in size or stopped growing until the end of the game.
So not seeing how it's different from the Chrono navigator needing to be used only a few times by Eon in order to destabilize the entirety of time and causaility, resulting in the destruction of all of existance.
>First, post it then.
https://archive.ph/il1KT
>Your the one claiming the statement is literal, the burden of proof IS ON YOU to prove its legit.
Him being stated to be above everything and everyone else is the evidence it isnt hyperbole.
>please tell me this isn't a serious question.
After granting Ben full acces to Alien X, it doesnt have that limit.
>You can't be a supreme being when your apart of a species with members who can literally do the exact same things you can.
I dont know what better word to use.
>Literally how?
Rick from Rick and Morty uses portals dozens of time to kill enemies, Buu's portals were ripping space and time apart in a filler episode of Dragon Ball.
>False Equivalance again. The Chaos Heart, which Dimentio and is his stats directly scale to, is what powers the void to do that.
The void can shake and erase all of existance, as long as it's open, the portals can cause universal paranormalities as long as they are open.
>Clearly says "with her powers" on the profile, so you are lying again.
Clearly Haruhi is listed as being 2-C and nothing else, Haruhi clearly does not get scaled to anything or anyone, clearly Haruhi is listed as being 2-C because she has a 2-C feat and not because of any scaling. What exactly did I lie about? I dont think you understood a word I said.
Copy pasting what's written in her profile to prove my point only works as a counter to your argument. What fictional characters dont get scaled to a feat they did using only their power and nothing else? I really dont get the point of this semantic argument of yours. You're only proving my point.
Are you suggesting that every character perfoming a feat using their power dont get scaled to themselves? Zeno is not multiversal, because he uses his power to destroy the mutliverse???? Because this is what you're suggesting for Haruhi.
The void needs to be grown for several days before it can destroy all of existance, there is no proof that Dimentio could destroy all of existance mere seconds after opening the void . When Dimentio got the Chaos Heart, the void was already big enough to destroy all of existance, it never decreased in size or stopped growing until the end of the game.
So not seeing how it's different from the Chrono navigator needing to be used only a few times by Eon in order to destabilize the entirety of time and causaility, resulting in the destruction of all of existance.
>First, post it then.
https://archive.ph/il1KT
>Your the one claiming the statement is literal, the burden of proof IS ON YOU to prove its legit.
Him being stated to be above everything and everyone else is the evidence it isnt hyperbole.
>please tell me this isn't a serious question.
After granting Ben full acces to Alien X, it doesnt have that limit.
>You can't be a supreme being when your apart of a species with members who can literally do the exact same things you can.
I dont know what better word to use.
>Literally how?
Rick from Rick and Morty uses portals dozens of time to kill enemies, Buu's portals were ripping space and time apart in a filler episode of Dragon Ball.
>False Equivalance again. The Chaos Heart, which Dimentio and is his stats directly scale to, is what powers the void to do that.
The void can shake and erase all of existance, as long as it's open, the portals can cause universal paranormalities as long as they are open.
>Clearly says "with her powers" on the profile, so you are lying again.
Clearly Haruhi is listed as being 2-C and nothing else, Haruhi clearly does not get scaled to anything or anyone, clearly Haruhi is listed as being 2-C because she has a 2-C feat and not because of any scaling. What exactly did I lie about? I dont think you understood a word I said.
Copy pasting what's written in her profile to prove my point only works as a counter to your argument. What fictional characters dont get scaled to a feat they did using only their power and nothing else? I really dont get the point of this semantic argument of yours. You're only proving my point.
Are you suggesting that every character perfoming a feat using their power dont get scaled to themselves? Zeno is not multiversal, because he uses his power to destroy the mutliverse???? Because this is what you're suggesting for Haruhi.
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Wasn't Wyatt just an artist for the show and well known for not being the true authoirity for it? Plus, that statement really does just read as him being snarky more then anything else.
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He means the Alien X can fly statement that Door posted
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But it doesn't matter what Wyatt says cause Alien X can change his statment by using his abilites.
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How? LolDemonicDude said:
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This statement is so contradictory that not only is it directly contradicted by the show,the writers says no meaning they cant fly then says they can have all the powers imaginable meaning they can fly if they wanted to so this statement is thrown out of window man Ben 10 writers are so unreliable for statements
Sorry for derailing even though I said I wont comment,I wanted to clarify this
Sorry for derailing even though I said I wont comment,I wanted to clarify this
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Cause wyatt is a human and Alien X is a cosmic entity
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@My area he's obviously being sarcastic for christ sake. There is literally no way he could've made that more clear without saying "i'm being sarcastic".
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It's so painfully obviously sarcastic it's not even funny.
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@Antvasima, existance erasure is considered hax, right?
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>You're literally relying on one person to have an argument as well because I've never seen something being done passively suddenly mean they get a higher tier than if it wasn't done passively.
It's common sense on why that it be much better, if you're doing it passively, your not using any effort whatsoever to do the feat. Much less any of your actual power. Multiple characters receive tiering like this and become among the strongest of people in their tiers because of that. Back in the day before anything 2-B happened in Pokemon, Dialga and Palkia used to be the strongest of Low 2-Cs because of them passively stabilizing space-time. Had they not go on to do bigger and better things, it would still be like this. The level of casualness to something like this is incredibly big enough to allow a spike in a tier.
>We only assume multiverse busting is an overtime feat if it's actually shown or stated that way.
And thats exactly the case here. The Navigator isn't ever portrayed using 2-B power beyond being stated to end existence by Paradox, which it's depiction goes against being a real 2-B feat. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is ever destroyed by it. Not even the universe it anchors together and is physically present inside, or even the dimension Paradox was kept prisoner in by Eon. All of that should clearly go to prove why the Navigator cannot muster 2-B power to attack or destroy with.
>The void needs to be grown for several days before it can destroy all of existance, there is no proof that Dimentio could destroy all of existance mere seconds after opening the void.
This one part of your reply completely disregards the several points I brought up for Dimentio and the Void from the downgrade thread we both linked...
>https://archive.ph/il1KT
Pretty much going to reiterate what My Area said. This statement is beyond contradictory. One second, he says "no", and then a second later goes on to say he can have any power imaginable? Already shows why it's vague. But i'll add in my own reasons for it being entirely unreliable.
For one, his multiple personalities. Celestialsapiens literally wouldn't have them if they can just imagine a power to nuke them away.
Second, Ben literally wouldn't ever need the Omnitrix if Alien X could use any ability.
Third, the show and authors outright contradicts this again. Alien X wasn't able to manipulate mana for instance and the authors outright state he'd need to rewrite the fundamentals of mana in order to manipulate it like Anodites can. Alien X wouldn't need to go through that if this statement was to be taken literally.
>Him being stated to be above everything and everyone else is the evidence it isnt hyperbole.
Being above everything =/= can do anything.
>After granting Ben full acces to Alien X, it doesnt have that limit.
Thats not the point being made. The point is Alien X, and no Celestialsapien in general, would ever have multiple personalities to argue amongst in the first place if they could nuke them away whenever they wanted. This isn't specifically an Alien X issue, it's an issue for Celestialsapiens as a whole.
>Rick from Rick and Morty uses portals dozens of time to kill enemies, Buu's portals were ripping space and time apart in a filler episode of Dragon Ball.
I dont know the former cuz I dont want Rick and Morty, but the latter isn't offensive. Buu is just using screams to open rifts in space-time, they cant actually harm people.
>The void can shake and erase all of existance, as long as it's open, the portals can cause universal paranormalities as long as they are open.
I don't know what you mean. A void isn't "open" like there's an opening inside of it or something. It just grows and expands.
>Copy pasting what's written in her profile to prove my point only works as a counter to your argument. What fictional characters dont get scaled to a feat they did using only their power and nothing else? I really dont get the point of this semantic argument of yours.
The reason she's listed as Low Multiversal "with her powers" is because only her actual abilities operate at 2-C levels. It's to make the distinction that she is not physically 2-C with her strength and AP. Someone who scales to a tier with AP doesn't have that distinction listed.
It's common sense on why that it be much better, if you're doing it passively, your not using any effort whatsoever to do the feat. Much less any of your actual power. Multiple characters receive tiering like this and become among the strongest of people in their tiers because of that. Back in the day before anything 2-B happened in Pokemon, Dialga and Palkia used to be the strongest of Low 2-Cs because of them passively stabilizing space-time. Had they not go on to do bigger and better things, it would still be like this. The level of casualness to something like this is incredibly big enough to allow a spike in a tier.
>We only assume multiverse busting is an overtime feat if it's actually shown or stated that way.
And thats exactly the case here. The Navigator isn't ever portrayed using 2-B power beyond being stated to end existence by Paradox, which it's depiction goes against being a real 2-B feat. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is ever destroyed by it. Not even the universe it anchors together and is physically present inside, or even the dimension Paradox was kept prisoner in by Eon. All of that should clearly go to prove why the Navigator cannot muster 2-B power to attack or destroy with.
>The void needs to be grown for several days before it can destroy all of existance, there is no proof that Dimentio could destroy all of existance mere seconds after opening the void.
This one part of your reply completely disregards the several points I brought up for Dimentio and the Void from the downgrade thread we both linked...
>https://archive.ph/il1KT
Pretty much going to reiterate what My Area said. This statement is beyond contradictory. One second, he says "no", and then a second later goes on to say he can have any power imaginable? Already shows why it's vague. But i'll add in my own reasons for it being entirely unreliable.
For one, his multiple personalities. Celestialsapiens literally wouldn't have them if they can just imagine a power to nuke them away.
Second, Ben literally wouldn't ever need the Omnitrix if Alien X could use any ability.
Third, the show and authors outright contradicts this again. Alien X wasn't able to manipulate mana for instance and the authors outright state he'd need to rewrite the fundamentals of mana in order to manipulate it like Anodites can. Alien X wouldn't need to go through that if this statement was to be taken literally.
>Him being stated to be above everything and everyone else is the evidence it isnt hyperbole.
Being above everything =/= can do anything.
>After granting Ben full acces to Alien X, it doesnt have that limit.
Thats not the point being made. The point is Alien X, and no Celestialsapien in general, would ever have multiple personalities to argue amongst in the first place if they could nuke them away whenever they wanted. This isn't specifically an Alien X issue, it's an issue for Celestialsapiens as a whole.
>Rick from Rick and Morty uses portals dozens of time to kill enemies, Buu's portals were ripping space and time apart in a filler episode of Dragon Ball.
I dont know the former cuz I dont want Rick and Morty, but the latter isn't offensive. Buu is just using screams to open rifts in space-time, they cant actually harm people.
>The void can shake and erase all of existance, as long as it's open, the portals can cause universal paranormalities as long as they are open.
I don't know what you mean. A void isn't "open" like there's an opening inside of it or something. It just grows and expands.
>Copy pasting what's written in her profile to prove my point only works as a counter to your argument. What fictional characters dont get scaled to a feat they did using only their power and nothing else? I really dont get the point of this semantic argument of yours.
The reason she's listed as Low Multiversal "with her powers" is because only her actual abilities operate at 2-C levels. It's to make the distinction that she is not physically 2-C with her strength and AP. Someone who scales to a tier with AP doesn't have that distinction listed.
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>It's common sense on why that it be much better, if you're doing it passively, your not using any effort whatsoever to do the feat. Much less any of your actual power. Multiple characters receive tiering like this and become among the strongest of people in their tiers because of that. Back in the day before anything 2-B happened in Pokemon, Dialga and Palkia used to be the strongest of Low 2-Cs because of them passively stabilizing space-time. Had they not go on to do bigger and better things, it would still be like this. The level of casualness to something like this is incredibly big enough to allow a spike in a tier.
Exactly my point, Dialga from Mystery Dungeon gets scaled above baseline for passively doing it, that doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't passively destroy a space-time continuum or supports it, suddenly isn't low 2-C anymore.
Also here is Cal's response on the Sol Emeralds: The feat, if treated at face value, would be Low 2-C. It dragged Blaze's universe into Sonic's, as opposed to dragging both. If it did do the latter, it would be flat 2-C.
This means that Cal is opposed to the current rating of the Sol Emeralds, however if it were still an overtime feat but it dragged both universes then it would be 2-C, no indication of it being passive having anything to do with it whatsoever. (He also said stuff about it being a chain reaction and the 2 emeralds interacting causing stuff to go down but this has nothing really to do with our point since it's one device that causes everything in Ben 10 and this is most likely why he believes the feat should be low 2-C which has no bearing on his 2-C statement)
>And thats exactly the case here. The Navigator isn't ever portrayed using 2-B power beyond being stated to end existence by Paradox, which it's depiction goes against being a real 2-B feat. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is ever destroyed by it. Not even the universe it anchors together and is physically present inside, or even the dimension Paradox was kept prisoner in by Eon. All of that should clearly go to prove why the Navigator cannot muster 2-B power to attack or destroy with.
IIRC nothing gets destroyed on screen in Sonic Rush yet that is still 2-C or at worst low 2-C as said by Cal (and 2-C if it fills the requirements that the Navigator fulfills)
>Pretty much going to reiterate what My Area said. This statement is beyond contradictory. One second, he says "no", and then a second later goes on to say he can have any power imaginable? Already shows why it's vague. But i'll add in my own reasons for it being entirely unreliable.
For one, his multiple personalities. Celestialsapiens literally wouldn't have them if they can just imagine a power to nuke them away.
Second, Ben literally wouldn't ever need the Omnitrix if Alien X could use any ability.
Third, the show and authors outright contradicts this again. Alien X wasn't able to manipulate mana for instance and the authors outright state he'd need to rewrite the fundamentals of mana in order to manipulate it like Anodites can. Alien X wouldn't need to go through that if this statement was to be taken literally.
The author was being sarcastic and obviously the first part of his statement should be disregarded.
This is more of a psychological problem, you would essentially be nuking away a part of yourself and the personalities are created or developed by the Celestialsapiens themselves in the first place.
Yeah cause it's not like the Omnitrix mistransforms him about every single episode and he continuously slams the dial down too hard even after Azmuth telling him that's the cause. Also Alien X is treated as that one trump card that can beat everything so yeah he wouldn't actually need any other alien in the Omnitrix but where's the fun in that? Also Ben will eventually say or do something that gets on Bellicus' and Serena's nerves and then they'll take back his full control (kuch kuch Ben 10000).
Technically they didn't state that he can do everything directly, this was also one of my questions on the other thread, could we simply upgrade his information manipulation and say that he can give himself every power in Ben 10?
>I dont know the former cuz I dont want Rick and Morty, but the latter isn't offensive. Buu is just using screams to open rifts in space-time, they cant actually harm people.
Creating portals where people stand for sure tears them apart so it can be used offensively.
Exactly my point, Dialga from Mystery Dungeon gets scaled above baseline for passively doing it, that doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't passively destroy a space-time continuum or supports it, suddenly isn't low 2-C anymore.
Also here is Cal's response on the Sol Emeralds: The feat, if treated at face value, would be Low 2-C. It dragged Blaze's universe into Sonic's, as opposed to dragging both. If it did do the latter, it would be flat 2-C.
This means that Cal is opposed to the current rating of the Sol Emeralds, however if it were still an overtime feat but it dragged both universes then it would be 2-C, no indication of it being passive having anything to do with it whatsoever. (He also said stuff about it being a chain reaction and the 2 emeralds interacting causing stuff to go down but this has nothing really to do with our point since it's one device that causes everything in Ben 10 and this is most likely why he believes the feat should be low 2-C which has no bearing on his 2-C statement)
>And thats exactly the case here. The Navigator isn't ever portrayed using 2-B power beyond being stated to end existence by Paradox, which it's depiction goes against being a real 2-B feat. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is ever destroyed by it. Not even the universe it anchors together and is physically present inside, or even the dimension Paradox was kept prisoner in by Eon. All of that should clearly go to prove why the Navigator cannot muster 2-B power to attack or destroy with.
IIRC nothing gets destroyed on screen in Sonic Rush yet that is still 2-C or at worst low 2-C as said by Cal (and 2-C if it fills the requirements that the Navigator fulfills)
>Pretty much going to reiterate what My Area said. This statement is beyond contradictory. One second, he says "no", and then a second later goes on to say he can have any power imaginable? Already shows why it's vague. But i'll add in my own reasons for it being entirely unreliable.
For one, his multiple personalities. Celestialsapiens literally wouldn't have them if they can just imagine a power to nuke them away.
Second, Ben literally wouldn't ever need the Omnitrix if Alien X could use any ability.
Third, the show and authors outright contradicts this again. Alien X wasn't able to manipulate mana for instance and the authors outright state he'd need to rewrite the fundamentals of mana in order to manipulate it like Anodites can. Alien X wouldn't need to go through that if this statement was to be taken literally.
The author was being sarcastic and obviously the first part of his statement should be disregarded.
This is more of a psychological problem, you would essentially be nuking away a part of yourself and the personalities are created or developed by the Celestialsapiens themselves in the first place.
Yeah cause it's not like the Omnitrix mistransforms him about every single episode and he continuously slams the dial down too hard even after Azmuth telling him that's the cause. Also Alien X is treated as that one trump card that can beat everything so yeah he wouldn't actually need any other alien in the Omnitrix but where's the fun in that? Also Ben will eventually say or do something that gets on Bellicus' and Serena's nerves and then they'll take back his full control (kuch kuch Ben 10000).
Technically they didn't state that he can do everything directly, this was also one of my questions on the other thread, could we simply upgrade his information manipulation and say that he can give himself every power in Ben 10?
>I dont know the former cuz I dont want Rick and Morty, but the latter isn't offensive. Buu is just using screams to open rifts in space-time, they cant actually harm people.
Creating portals where people stand for sure tears them apart so it can be used offensively.
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Cal is wrong though, it did drag both universes in Rush
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This thread has gone on for so long and become so bloated it's honestly becoming impossible to keep up reasonably with it.
I think a new thread has to be made where points from both sides are condensed and voted for, to avoid another 400 message long slugfest.
I think a new thread has to be made where points from both sides are condensed and voted for, to avoid another 400 message long slugfest.
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Well that's even better, as long as it being passive doesn't make it jump from low 2-C to 2-C or something then it doesn't matter for this argument.
Am I right that there was also no visible destruction of anything in Rush, only lots of rifts and a storm?
Am I right that there was also no visible destruction of anything in Rush, only lots of rifts and a storm?
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@Crab maybe yeah, let's see what Kukui says.
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There were quakes, but the way Rush was made was kinda impossible to show destructionGreenshifter said:
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All right thanks.
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>This one part of your reply completely disregards the several points I brought up for Dimentio and the Void from the downgrade thread we both linked...
It really doesnt, the Void still needs 3 days to become big enough to destroy multiverses, that's my point, it still needs "prep time", . If 3 days of prep-time isnt an overtime feat, how is it in the case of the Navigator's?
>Pretty much going to reiterate what My Area said. This statement is beyond contradictory. One second, he says "no", and then a second later goes on to say he can have any power imaginable?
You're reaching, he's obviously being sarcastic, I dont understand how it's difficult to get. I really dont think you guys have a clue what sarcasm or "vague" means, even Antvasima agrees that it is sarcasm. This is textbook definition of sarcasm.
Celestialsapiens dont always have multiple personalities, and they can nuke stuff without them, Ben can use Alien X without having to talk to his personalities in Omniverse. Ben doesnt want to use Alien X except the few times he has to, because the risk of destroying the universe is too great , it has nothing to do with the fact Alien X cant use every ability.
We dont accept author statements when they contradict the canon show, this is no different from what we do with other series such as Dragon Ball. The Daizenshu & other guidebooks +Toriyama himself through interviews has contradicted the Dragon Ball series countless times, yet we still apply word of God/ guidebooks from Dragon Ball, as long as they dont contradict anything from within the show itself.
>Being above everything =/= can do anything.
Never said they meant the same thing.
>Thats not the point being made.
Each personalities are equal to each other, meaning if either of them wanted to nuke the other it woudl ensure mutual destruction. Tht's why they never bother, also because they cancel each other out.
>I dont know the former cuz I dont want Rick and Morty, but the latter isn't offensive. Buu is just using screams to open rifts in space-time, they cant actually harm people.
Rick has killed dozens of people with portals, but nevermind about the Buu thing, just rewatched the episode and no portals where shown only mentioned.
>I don't know what you mean. A void isn't "open" like there's an opening inside of it or something. It just grows and expands.
Count Blekc tells team Mario to close the void before it destroys all of existance, so it is "open".
>The reason she's listed as Low Multiversal "with her powers" is because only her actual abilities operate at 2-C levels.
What do you mean by attack potency? Her attakc potency is clearly listed as 2-C. All Im saying is that Haruhi is 2-C, despite being a glass canon, so the Chrono Navigator being a glass canon has no relavance for how powerful it is. Being a glass canon has 0 to do with AP.
> Nothing, and I mean nothing, is ever destroyed by (the Chrono Navigator).
You're correct, it never destroyed anything because Eon had not completely destablized the entirty of time + causility. The Chrono Naviagor doesnt destroy 1 universe at a time via an explosion, it destabilizes the entire timestream if used "incorrectly" by anyone other than Paradox. Since Eon didnt get the chance to destabilize the entirity of time+causality, nothing was destroyed.
Also what about the Chronosapien TimeBomb, it very clearly destroyed the multiverse in a very short time-frame, and it's entirely hax based cuz it only has existance erasure.
It really doesnt, the Void still needs 3 days to become big enough to destroy multiverses, that's my point, it still needs "prep time", . If 3 days of prep-time isnt an overtime feat, how is it in the case of the Navigator's?
>Pretty much going to reiterate what My Area said. This statement is beyond contradictory. One second, he says "no", and then a second later goes on to say he can have any power imaginable?
You're reaching, he's obviously being sarcastic, I dont understand how it's difficult to get. I really dont think you guys have a clue what sarcasm or "vague" means, even Antvasima agrees that it is sarcasm. This is textbook definition of sarcasm.
Celestialsapiens dont always have multiple personalities, and they can nuke stuff without them, Ben can use Alien X without having to talk to his personalities in Omniverse. Ben doesnt want to use Alien X except the few times he has to, because the risk of destroying the universe is too great , it has nothing to do with the fact Alien X cant use every ability.
We dont accept author statements when they contradict the canon show, this is no different from what we do with other series such as Dragon Ball. The Daizenshu & other guidebooks +Toriyama himself through interviews has contradicted the Dragon Ball series countless times, yet we still apply word of God/ guidebooks from Dragon Ball, as long as they dont contradict anything from within the show itself.
>Being above everything =/= can do anything.
Never said they meant the same thing.
>Thats not the point being made.
Each personalities are equal to each other, meaning if either of them wanted to nuke the other it woudl ensure mutual destruction. Tht's why they never bother, also because they cancel each other out.
>I dont know the former cuz I dont want Rick and Morty, but the latter isn't offensive. Buu is just using screams to open rifts in space-time, they cant actually harm people.
Rick has killed dozens of people with portals, but nevermind about the Buu thing, just rewatched the episode and no portals where shown only mentioned.
>I don't know what you mean. A void isn't "open" like there's an opening inside of it or something. It just grows and expands.
Count Blekc tells team Mario to close the void before it destroys all of existance, so it is "open".
>The reason she's listed as Low Multiversal "with her powers" is because only her actual abilities operate at 2-C levels.
What do you mean by attack potency? Her attakc potency is clearly listed as 2-C. All Im saying is that Haruhi is 2-C, despite being a glass canon, so the Chrono Navigator being a glass canon has no relavance for how powerful it is. Being a glass canon has 0 to do with AP.
> Nothing, and I mean nothing, is ever destroyed by (the Chrono Navigator).
You're correct, it never destroyed anything because Eon had not completely destablized the entirty of time + causility. The Chrono Naviagor doesnt destroy 1 universe at a time via an explosion, it destabilizes the entire timestream if used "incorrectly" by anyone other than Paradox. Since Eon didnt get the chance to destabilize the entirity of time+causality, nothing was destroyed.
Also what about the Chronosapien TimeBomb, it very clearly destroyed the multiverse in a very short time-frame, and it's entirely hax based cuz it only has existance erasure.
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