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@Zamasu Yes, but actually no.Greenshifter said:My rebuttal to the timing of the greatest power statement:
First of all: we do not assume something to be retconned unless it is explicitly shown.
Second of all: the statement was only made only 2 years before the Chrono Navigator was established as a 2B-device which is not that long.
Third of all: Kukui stated this:
It's like how Anti-Monitor fought a guy who would be established as a 5-Dimensional Imp years after the story happened so it was clearly not the intent when writing, and we don't use it as a result.
DC however is way more inconsistent than Ben 10, has multiple independent writers, while Man Of Action is always involved in Ben 10 and the time gap is presumably less than this DC case.
Fourth of all: Man Of Action does think about the destructive capabilities of whatever device Paradox made as seen here, his entropy pump that he made back in the 50's could destroy reality for a distance of several lightyears. The Chrono Navigator was made at least 100000 years after this and after he gained complete understanding of the space-time continuum and this was all established in AF and UA, so the Chrono Navigator being a 2B-device in Omniverse is only a logical extension from this.
Fifth of all:
From the episode "Paradox":
Ben: You save the world dozens of times.
Paradox: Hundreds, actually. In fact, on one occasion, you and I worked together to save the entire univ-- never mind. It should be here any -- [loud rumbling] You could set your watch by it.
Ben and Paradox working together to save the entire universe (well actually multiverse or more) happened in Ben Again, which is the episode when the Chrono Navigator is established as a 2B-device.
TLDR; Alien X should stay at 2B, if my rebuttal is not convincing enough then I am fine with at least Low-2C, likely 2B.
well yeah alien x is not truly omnipotent he does have limit especially that the creator confirmed that alien x is not even the strongest in the OmniTrixCrabwhale said:That's not just the definition of "omnipotent". Even practical omnipotence within a given verse that isn't the bullshit unachievable version has some prerequisites, like having no limits or never struggling.
Alien X does have things that limit him (the multiple personalities for one) and things that can make him struggle (the surface of that one planet even he can't approach, other Celestialsapiens), meaning even within the context of the verse he is not all powerful.
I don't understand exactly what you're even trying to argue for exactly here, but I ask you again, drop this needless point in a discussion that has absolutely nothing to do with it.
wait does 2-B mean 4D or 5D?Greenshifter said:Well since Badrimoine posted here might as well revive this thread, however are we gonna continue 2B Alien X and finish it before the move to the forums or do wait till everyone's exams are over (Andy's, Kukui's I assume, mine (I do still have some time before they start)) in February (at least that's when mine are over) and remake the thread on the new forum?
can you tell me whats the difference between multiverse and omniverse? I'm confusedFirestorm808 said:It means multiversal, at least 1000 universal timespaces. Being higher dimensional is not mutually exclusive.
so multiverse is all universes together and omniverse is literally everything?Greenshifter said:We generally don't use the term Omniverse on this site because it gives inflated results and Omniverse is not very clearly defined in Ben 10.
My opinion: Multiverse is the collection of all timelines within Ben 10. Omniverse is the collection of all timelines + all alternate realities such as the Null Void, Dagon's dimension, Ledgerdomain, et etc.
shouldn't the crono navigator be 2-A since it was going to erase infinite universes and time lines which is a 2-A feat?Greenshifter said:@Quicksilver Nope, we have yet to decide whether The Chrono Navigator works via hax or not and if it still scales to itself if it does.
dGreenshifter said:Well we don't know if it's infinite or not, but that's being discussed in the other thread. However, the problem is that if the Chrono Navigator did it via portals and those portals are deemed to not scale to his AP (because it would take less energy to create the portals to then destroy the multiverse then straight up destroying the multiverse or something) then the Chrono Navigator would only be 2B via portals and thus Alien X might not scale above it because it's essentially destroying the multiverse via cheats instead of raw power.
I mean still think that Alien_X should be beyond 2-B for reasons above so here this video:Greenshifter said:I'm using the word if, I'm saying that we need to refute this, or else Alien X will be back to low-2C (well the CTB and the Anihilaarg upgrade are still a thing so maybe not low-2C but it would not be as good as scaling to the Chrono Navigator).
Greenshifter said:Well scaling to the Chrono Navigator is better than whatever AP feats Kuro brought up.
Also Kuro said Vilgax Attacks is non-canon, time to downgrade Way Big OvO.
@Quicksilver how familiar are you with existence erasure and phasing? </div> what?? Did you at least watch the video? Also even if alien x doesn't scale to the crone navigator he wouldn't be low 2-C since he showed feats way beyond that level, also celestialsapiens are responsible of changing voice actor and art style and everything in the entire omniverse which contains at least 26 dimensions and this feat is far beyond low 2-C and even 2-B also here's another video : https://youtu.be/4h6pQR6uWDU (look at 20:47 but this time contemelia are included in this video so yeah sorry)
I stand by what i said in the previous 2-B threads. Nothing has changed. I'm still in agreement.Greenshifter said:The original chain of threads started in August... Regardless why don't you give your opinion Quicksilver? Kukui said that if sufficient staff agrees with a Chrono Navigator that has 2-B space-time manipulation (hax) scaling to it's AP then the thread is over.