A Tale of Crossing Over Canons

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think it should be stated that this is a little difference to a flat-out crossover.
For instance, the three battletoads shouldn't scale to Shovel Knight for appearing in his game. Things like that.

Yes, obviously. The crossovers have to be integral to the plot of at least one-game. And preferably show to be a Shared Universe sort of deal.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I agree with this, of course. We already treat crossovers as canon for pages like Jason and Freddy.

Good point. Slasher Horror movies also don't give a damn about canon.

 

[Kepekley23]

This sounds reasonable.

 

[Js250476]

Sonic and Mega Man world's collide is a good example of a crossover being canon to both series

 

[Jared1111]

And if we have 1-A Evangelion, We can have 1-A Transformers and 1-A Godzilla.

Which makes that 1-A tweet canon now.

It just works.

(Seriously though, i support this is, as Matthew says, we do case by case analysis... none of this shit)

 

[Js250476]

I love how crossovers lead to sooooooo much Scaling abuse tho

It leads to very fun ratings

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Sonic and Mega Man world's collide is a good example of a crossover being canon to both series

Yes. Those two Archie Comics are part of the same multiverse.

Another good example would be the current Street Fighter vs Darkstalkers UDON Comics, which is a continuation of both Comics' storyline, and the two are actually revealed to share a universe.

Which means Planet level Ryu.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I had the perfect occasion to scale White Face to Spooky's Jump Scare Mansion....but 3-A and Low 2-C make this an immense outlier.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Does White Face appear on Spooky´s jump scare mansion?


Didnt know that.

 

[DMUA]

Unknown Specimen 1

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

He does. And it's apparently canonically THE White Face. Who 4th wall broke his way to this game.

But everyone else is like 9-A so rip.

 

[Wokistan]

Isn't spooky already high 3A? Not too terrible of an outlier for her.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Well, i guess he still one shots you.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

White Face is like, one of the weakest Specimen though, damage-wise. One could argue that he's holding back to hell and back, but still.

 

[Rakanadyo]

On the topic of the Final Fantasy multiverse, it should be noted just how much of a crossover-storm it truly is, ESPECIALLY regarding Ivalice: Final Fantasy Tactics is the future of Final Fantasy 12, and the future of THAT is Final Fantasy 14. In addition to the Dissidia games, this universe has crossed over with Final Fantasy 7 through Cloud's appearance in FFT (and 7 is in the same universe as 10, but on another planet), Final Fantasy 6 through Kefka's appearance as a raid boss in FF14, Final Fantasy 13 through Lightning's appearance in a limited FF14 event, and potentially more. As far as I know, these crossovers were all confirmed to be legitimate plot-wise.

At this point, it doesn't seem farfetched to consider Dissidia canon and consider some scaling with it, although obviously there will be PIS/Outlier moments to wade through.

 

[Mrtencza]

Transformers and Power Ranger will be sharing the same Universe or Multivere or whatever. When we start seeing some material with the two together, I would like to see some scaling.

https://www.seibertron.com/transfor...he-power-rangers-brand-for-522-million/41158/

 

[Js250476]

Well nothing has happened yet so we should wait and see

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Maybe a Dissidia tier for Final Fantasy chaeracter where they are mostly the same in stats?

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

I agree with this.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

@RapidMotorclycle19

I don't think we can make whole new keys / profiles for the Dissidia characters, given that they are literally the characters from the Final Fantasy Games but pulled out of their universes

 

[Js250476]

To bad I still can't scale Reguar Show to Adventure Time ovo

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Yeah, but they are comparable to each other in the Dissidia games.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

And Tekken Akuma should be Low 7-B at base and 7-B as "shin" Akuma.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

So? This is simply a case of the power of the characters being adjusted by huge amounts of PIS / Outliers so they can fight each other and have fair fights with people who would normally stomp, or be stomped by them.

We can't add new Keys or Profiles for them, because they aren't different incarnations that are only canon to one side of the Crossover. They are the exact same characters, pulled out of their universes on a massive crossover event that is canon to all games

 

[Nico-v11]

While I don't disagree I definitely believe that this is has to be done case-by-case instead of everything. Which I believe is what your idea was?

 

[Js250476]

Yeah pretty much case by case analysis

 

[Agnaa]

I agree with this. I like any moves towards "case-by-case basis" rules, such as this and the recent-ish removal of the ban on db vs marvel/dc threads.

 

[DMUA]

That was awhile ago, but yeah.

 

[Kami95]

I hope we can avoid spamming 1-A people via scaling to the Cthulhu Mythos though.

Nah man
1-A Super Robot Wars scaling is where it's at

Imagine it

1-A Gurren Lagann, 1-A Evangelion, 1-A Gundam, 1-A Super Sentai, 1-A Mega Man, 1-A Little Witch Academia, 1-A e v e r y t h i n g

Bernkastel vs Akko when?

 

[KinkiestSins]

Seems fine to me.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

I agree with this, as long as we follow Matt's tip: Case by Case Analysis.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Akuma_(Tekken)

 

[Theglassman12]

I agree with this, though I do want to ask if something like Dragon Ball X Dr. Slump would be considered canon since the Dr. Slump characters showed up more than once in the manga and DBS.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Yes, we already consider Dr slump canon to DBS.

Thats why Arale has a tier 3 form.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I agree with all of what Matt brought up.
I also feel the need to bring up a few other series where this stuff is important: Transformers, Super Sentai (And Power Rangers by proxy) and Kamen Rider.

Transformers' canon policy is... well, completely nonexistent, to put it bluntly. Literally anything in Transformers is canon, as long as it is an official work. This ranges from the various cartoons, the movies, comics and its various crossovers. They have direct, plot important crossovers with Star Wars, G.I. Joe and Marvel Comics, and have done these repeatedly. Now, these crossovers aren't mutually canon - these events didn't happen with the actual crossed over series, but they happened with Transformers nonetheless.

I assume this includes the fact that Vector Prime has no sense of 4th wall and sees things outside of the multiverse that are "non-canon?"

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

I agree completely

 

[Walking_Strawman]

Now we gotta get that Pokemon and Nobunaga's Ambition scaling up in here lol

 

[Qawsedf234]

What about some of the canon DC/Marvel crossovers? Like JLA/Avengers

 

[Rune_Katashima]

@Kami95 I mean IIRC Steins;Gate, Robotics;Notes, and Chaos;Head were stated to be in the same universe anyway. It's not what a crossover is.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

How about the Super Robot Wars stuff?