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On case-by-case: So are you also in favor of deciding if lightning is lightning speed in fiction on case by case basis? That wouldn't help anyone, as nobody would know what qualifies and what not and instead it would essentially just become a public voting on whether people think it's realistic.
This is the same. If you don't describe what is acceptable and what not nobody will know how to judge these cases, meaning one of 2 things will happen
1. Those things will be completely subjectively and inconsistently be decided upon
2. People will learn certain arguments that were used in prior decisions regarding the things and use these to consistently decide things. These arguments would be nothing but a criteria on what is accepted and what not, and could be actually written down.
Countries show how one can make laws which prevent the judges from deciding just by what they think is correct and at the same time leave the leeway for a judge to take all kinds of situations into considerations.
On to the main debate:
The basic assumption is that if a Verse is included in another's cosmology, it will automatically scale, because it is basic logic.
Common sense fallacy. You might claim that is "basic logic", but that does not make it an legitimate argument. As you already stated at your beginning post there are plently of crossovers that don't even remotely follow the idea of that. That means you are trying to invoke a rule per default that obviously doesn't hold. It isn't even like there is a reason it should hold, given that authors who are writing crossovers want to show how interactions with the other franchises would be. Whether power relations make sense is of secondary concern for anyone that isn't a fictional battle debater like us. So a rule that the character will act consistent to its canon doesn't exist. If someone wants to do a crossover it will be done irregardless of power compatibility. That there are some works that one can show to care about consistency and that there are some works for which this doesn't result in nonsense, doesn't suffice to rely on it beyond being proven otherwise.
And nobody is claiming the cameos or crossovers are to be written of as "meaningless" and be ignored if they are canon. One should just restrict oneself to what is actually shown in the crossover, instead of grabbing from a pool of feats from the original work that the crossover will, whenever necessary, ignore for the sake of having a better story.
If we are really just debating a rule text now, I will think about it.
On case-by-case: So are you also in favor of deciding if lightning is lightning speed in fiction on case by case basis? That wouldn't help anyone, as nobody would know what qualifies and what not and instead it would essentially just become a public voting on whether people think it's realistic.
This is the same. If you don't describe what is acceptable and what not nobody will know how to judge these cases, meaning one of 2 things will happen
1. Those things will be completely subjectively and inconsistently be decided upon
2. People will learn certain arguments that were used in prior decisions regarding the things and use these to consistently decide things. These arguments would be nothing but a criteria on what is accepted and what not, and could be actually written down.
Countries show how one can make laws which prevent the judges from deciding just by what they think is correct and at the same time leave the leeway for a judge to take all kinds of situations into considerations.
On to the main debate:
The basic assumption is that if a Verse is included in another's cosmology, it will automatically scale, because it is basic logic.
Common sense fallacy. You might claim that is "basic logic", but that does not make it an legitimate argument. As you already stated at your beginning post there are plently of crossovers that don't even remotely follow the idea of that. That means you are trying to invoke a rule per default that obviously doesn't hold. It isn't even like there is a reason it should hold, given that authors who are writing crossovers want to show how interactions with the other franchises would be. Whether power relations make sense is of secondary concern for anyone that isn't a fictional battle debater like us. So a rule that the character will act consistent to its canon doesn't exist. If someone wants to do a crossover it will be done irregardless of power compatibility. That there are some works that one can show to care about consistency and that there are some works for which this doesn't result in nonsense, doesn't suffice to rely on it beyond being proven otherwise.
And nobody is claiming the cameos or crossovers are to be written of as "meaningless" and be ignored if they are canon. One should just restrict oneself to what is actually shown in the crossover, instead of grabbing from a pool of feats from the original work that the crossover will, whenever necessary, ignore for the sake of having a better story.
If we are really just debating a rule text now, I will think about it.
