a rabbit tries to destroy the earth , kaguya vs gaea

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Gaea is vulnerable when manifesting in physical form but must do so to enact her full power and loses control over the earth if her physical body is away from the ground

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

also, affecting a bunch of 5cs with an area effect shows the range capabilities, it does not make it capable of affecting a 5b

 

[Heilergott]

@Rocker. Yeah, but Kaguya has never shown to be able to teleport much. Even herself teleporting a couple of times was stretching it. Neither is known if she even CAN teleport her ETSB. If you calculate around a bit, it is extremely unlikely she can teleport somthing of that size. Only a dozen or so teleports at most, with 5 people on max and 3 people on normal were already massively taxing on her chakra reserves. The ETSB is hundreds, if not tenthousands of times more massive.

Also, this is still in character. In character means Kaguya will never ever use ETSB the first thing. That thing uses way to much chakra for that. And that means, the second she touches ground she might be toast. a Planet Level Punch to the Face and she is down. Or Gaea might just banish her to Tartarus, a place you seemingly cannot teleport out of.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

erm, Regenerationn? also, to use her full power she needs to use her body, and kaguya flys, and she uses IT in character...

gaea has no real respons to infinite tsukuyomi as far as im aware

 

[Rocker1189]

Dude, Kakshi could teleport the Eight tails, it is not the same ability yes but it is better in the teleportation aspect. She can just tp it before it gets too big like I already said in one of my comments above. Second she might not normally use it first thing in character but that does not mean that noow that she knows the Planet itself is her enemy she would not use it. She knows ETSB is her best option when she is fighting a whole planet. She can def teleport out of tartarus as long as she teleports first to her dimension and then back to earth.

 

[Heilergott]

Uhm Ricsi... I think you have misunderstood something. We are talking True Form Gaea. Meaning Planet Earth. The Planet is her body. And Infinite Tsukuyomi? That might actully kind of work. But considering it will only ever hit half of Gaea? She is Omnipresent on her Planet. Really do not know how those two things will react to one another.

@Rocker Kakashi teleported the Hachibi into the Kamui Dimension - that is something on a way lesser scale. Not even comparable. Kaguya's Dimensions are extremely far away, which is why it takes so much chakra. Even Obito could not teleport in her Dimensions, just open up tiny rifts for a couple seconds.

And once again - if the ETSB does not explode the second it appears on Earth, it will not work. Gaea is Omnipresent on Earth. The second Kaguya appears she will know, and if the ETSB is not finished then, it is over.

Also, ERSB requires Kaguya to transform into her Tailed Beast Form. That in and on itself might already go far over her Teleportation Capacitys.

 

[Heilergott]

And, might I note, the ETSB grows very slowly too. Even if she can Teleport it when it is yet small. It takes Minutes to reach it final size.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Uhm Ricsi... I think you have misunderstood something. We are talking True Form Gaea. Meaning Planet Earth. The Planet is her body. And Infinite Tsukuyomi? That might actully kind of work. But considering it will only ever hit half of Gaea? She is Omnipresent on her Planet. Really do not know how those two things will react to one another.


And once again - if the ETSB does not explode the second it appears on Earth, icouple seconds. t will not work. Gaea is Omnipresent on Earth. The second Kaguya appears she will know, and if the ETSB is not finished then, it is over.

yes, but to use her full power she needs using a body

i dont see how it woden work, the getting conected and sucking energy is not a needed part of her powerss

i dont see how its finished than, not only does she not havepower over the sky, which kaguya is in, she is not gonna go beserk because kaguya is there

 

[Rocker1189]

We dont even know how far the dimensions are. And speculating about how much chakra it will take for her to tp it is just not worth the time. 2ndly even if IT only shots down half the planet it will make Gaea way to weak to be able to actually fight Kaguya. Kaguya does not need to appear woth the ETSB for her to tp it. She has things call portals. She can transform to Tailed Beast Form just fine it was never mentioned that she requires a lot of chakra to do so. Only that she did not want to do it. Obito could not teleport to them because they were not his own dimensions as he said. It seems you did not read into it right. Their distance apart was never the reason he could not tp to them.

 

[Heilergott]

@Ricsi Not really. She gained a Body because she wanted to wipe out Humanity, not wipe out everything on the planet. And If this actually IS Body Gaea, we should close this because of Missmatch. Gaea never had any chance in the first place in that case. Her Bodys weakness is being removed from Earth and that is Kaguyas Gimmick. That would be like putting Natsu vs Ace.

The Distance is the Reason that it takes so much chakra. That is also the Reason why Sasuke can only do it once or twice. I do not mean that Tailed Beast Transformation takes chakra. It is however a requirement for ETSB.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

@Ricsi Not really. She gained a Body because she wanted to wipe out Humanity, not wipe out everything on the planet. And If this actually IS Body Gaea, we should close this because of Missmatch. Gaea never had any chance in the first place in that case. Her Bodys weakness is being removed from Earth and that is Kaguyas Gimmick. That would be like putting Natsu vs Ace.
it her weakness, it in her page, were using her strongest form, i was just going of of the page

 

[Heilergott]

If you mean the second Key, that Weakness should no longer Exist. At least to my understanding of the page. Second Key is basically planet Earth, not her Body Form.

 

[Rocker1189]

and that does not matter as long as she can can do it in her space tp the ETSB and stay in her space while it grows with Gaea unable to do anything but watch her own doom.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

actualy

isnt gaia unable to feel the air above earth?

 

[Heilergott]

@Rocker There are dozens of things going against her being able to do that. Being the first that she never has shown to be able to do that. And once AGAIN, the ETSB is with high propability far to big to teleport. Nevermind that as of now, there is not the slightest hin tthat she is even able to do it. If so, then why not just teleport Naruto and Sasuke into the Desert, charge up the ETSB and then blow them to Kingdom Come? She did not do it, because she cannot.

Or do you actually mean that the Explosion of the ETSB in her PocketDimension would wipe out Gaea?

@Ricsi That is not quite clear in both books and guides following them. She is noted to "know anything on earth". She does know what happens on Olympus, which is in the Air. She also could follow the Argo 2 in some form, which also flies. Adding to that Gaea is propably the most Clairvoyant being in the Series, outside of the Fates.

 

[Rocker1189]

she did not do that because guess what Kakashi had Obitos eyes to follow her. Simple reasoning really. Not to mention Narutos rasenshuriken with all the natures was throwing her chkra out of control. Also she did not need to since she will survive it.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

but at the same time she is unable to know what her husband planned to do, nor was she able to connect to the earth when threw of the earth (not as in planet, but as in levitated)

 

[Heilergott]

@Rocker Sure. The Power that takes Minutes to activate is going to hinder her. And she seemingly regained her Control, otherwise she would not have turned back into her Human Form.

@Ricsi Yes, but Ouranos planned this stuff from his own Domain. He is basically her true Equal. If he shares her power, they might basically nullfy each other, like Gaea did to the Olympians.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

again, when had she goed for the kill in character at an enemie just for them exicting?

 

[Rocker1189]

What? Since when did Kamui take minutes to activate. The moment she BFRs them they will be back with Kamui. Especially with Naruto's Chakra ontheir side.

 

[Heilergott]

I have absolutely no clue what that sentence is supposed to mean.

 

[Heilergott]

The Amount of Chakra did not matter. Sakura had more than enough for multiple uses. Connecting however, took quite a lot of time. And only Pertains for few seconds because it massively strains Obitos Eye.

 

[Rocker1189]

It took a long time becuase they did not know which dimension Sasuke was in. Did you forget that they instantly follows Kaguya to her dimension the first time when they were going to search for Sasuke?

 

[Heilergott]

So why did the second time take so long? Or the Third? If they can follow her only once, just BFR them back. And then wait, teleport there and boom.

 

[Rocker1189]

The other times to long because of chakra limitations whihc I already mentioned they have Naruto for that adn secondly they were seraching entire planets for Sasuke whihc ofcourse will take forever. But now the know the exact dimension. Not to mention it is more than one person she has to BFR with all of them moving at MHS+ speeds.

 

[Heilergott]

How could It have been Chakra limitations when he still had enough Chakra for yet another try after it? This makes no sense at all. The Problem was not Chakra, it was conecting and the strain on the Eye. It was after all, the first tiem Obitos Eye bled. And even the first try took a couple of seconds.

Besides, she could have just left for another Dimension instead of staying there. And you still have not answered the second part, why not just TP them back.

Besides, Obito even mentions in 685 that Range is one of the Problems too

 

[Rocker1189]

Okay he says it is a problem for him because it is far away. Not for her she does it in an instant (literally in the same panel). You have not accounted for the fact that these are multiple people moving at a rapid high pace not herself. And I already said they had to search whole planets for him, this is not a find dimension instantly find Sasuke situation, you find the dimension then you have to locate him. The problem was chakra that is why the are straining with Sakura giving him chkra to use Kamui. If they had Naruto to help it would have been easy.

 

[Rocker1189]

Also reading back it was literally taking them seconds to find each dimension, not enough time for ETSB to charge up. Unlike Gaea who cant teleport through dimensions.

 

[Heilergott]

But in the end, it is also stated that even teleporting so few people is a high strain on her chakra. And then Imagine Teleporting that monstrous ETSB. It will not work.

 

[Rocker1189]

Yes teleporting more than her. Se is only teleporting her self. ETSB will be a one time teleport when it is still small. It will not take her long at all. So yes it will work.

 

[Heilergott]

If she teleports it when it is still small, it will fail. Gaea will just kill her, absorb her, take your pick. Nevermind that she can just smash or Absorb the ETSB while it is still charging.

 

[Rocker1189]

Dude, Gaea does not have to go with the ETSB while it is charging up. Just throw it through a portal you keep ignoring that it is becoming annoying. She has not been shown to absrb any attacks only to absorb ppl iirc and smashing the ETSB does not work because it erases whatever touches it. Infact smashing it is the worst thing she can do because it will just kill her faster since she it the planet itself it will lead to her dying earlier.

 

[Heilergott]

And you have been constantly ignoring that in the end, the thing takes minutes to charge up and Gaea, as a Deity and the INCARNATION of Nature, should be able to touch the damn thing and get rid of it. Nevermind that she can oneshot Kaguya when she brings the thing over. And Kaguya has to suppy the ETSB with Chakra to Charge it up.

If Asleep Gaea can absorb a Deity, which is basically pure Energy. she should also be able to touch the ETSB. Or just cut the thing with the Skythe of Ouranos.

 

[Rocker1189]

Absorb a deity lower in power than Kaguya. She is an incarnation of earth, sage of six pathhs power is what you need to touch the TSBs, she will get vaporized. Kaguya can supply chkra between dimensions as she does when forming the ETSB. This is my last post here both votes can be counted if accepted. I just think that Kaguya will win.

 

[Heilergott]

No, you do not need Six Path power. You need SenChakra, which, if verse Equalization Applies, Gaea literally has all of.

My last post too. This has gone on for far to long.

 

[Omimi]

SenChakra=/=Natural Energy

SenChakra = Spiritual energy+Physical energy+Natural Energy


senjutsu is technique so verse Equalization cant Equalize someone technique.


also kaguya/juubi herself is Natural Energy

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Is transmutation turning someone into something else?Can't Kaguya for example turn back to her normal state because she of her shapeshifting?(transformed from rabbit thing into human)

 

[Heilergott]

Not really. Gaeas Transmutation is based on RealityManip. Meaning, if she transforms Kaguya into a Rabbit, she is a Rabbit.

 

[Omimi]

what about TSB. it has power to nullify other powers(verse Equalization)

 

[DMUA]

Not really. Under verse equalization, Chakra=Ki=Reshi. Gaea doesn't draw power from anything of the sort, meaning that she can't get nulled.