A question about black holes feats.

[Kaltias]

I was wondering, the page about this topic says that only the mass of the black hole matters for the purpose of the AP, but does it work for 4-B and 4-A? Because in the case of those tiers, nearly all the energy required isn't used to actually destroy the celestial objects, but rather to grant the AoE necessary. So, warping a black hole of, let's say, 100 solar masses is a 4-A feat or do you need to exhibit the necessary AoE as well?

 

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[Reppuzan]

Well, we have an entire page on Black Hole feats in fictio, so I recommend checking this out first.

That said, we only use the mass of the black hole since it's physically impossible to spontaneously create or destroy a black hole to the best of my knowledge, and the force used to pulled a part a planet is negligible given the fact that the tidal forces within a black hole approach infinity.

 

[Kaltias]

The page doesn't mention this particular case, so I wanted to be sure, because I need it for a revision

 

[Antvasima]

Creating a black hole can count as AP. Affecting it in ways that are impossible according to the laws of physics, can not.

 

[Kaltias]

A black hole with several thousands of solar masses would count as 4-A? I'm not sure

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it would only be High 4-C in terms of pure mass, but given that it can affect much greater distances, I am not sure how to rate it. Sorry.

 

[Executor_N0]

If I am not mistaken, black holes feats use mass-energy to qualify.

If I am not mistaken the energy formula as a function of the radius is: Radius(m) x 1.8e+44.

Energy for 4-A is 2.25e+57 Joules. Then the radius that the black hole must have to be 4-A is 1.25e+13 meters, or 11.5 Light hours (And have 8.418350e+39 kg).

 

[DontTalk]

@Executor N0: Nah, we don't use mass energy for black holes.


To the thread topic: For black holes with a lot more mass than the sun I would think, that a black hole with x times the mass gets x times the Star level ranking.

So creating a black hole with 1000 times the mass of the sun would probably be ranked as if it were 1000*6.276x1041J = 6.276e44 J

So High 4-C.


Of course not a perfect system, but that there isn't such a thing is a general problem in regards to reality warping celestial objects into existence.

 

[Antvasima]

@DontTalk Thank you for the input.

 

[Kaltias]

the thing that confuses me is the following. If a character created a black hole as massive as the Solar System it would be 4-B, right? While a character who creates a black hole 1000 times more massive than the Sun would be High 4-C. The problem is, this second black hole is way more massive than the second one (999 times more massive, as the Sun compose 99,9% of the total mass of the Solar System) but the second character is rated lower

 

[Antvasima]

Well, solar system level is generally treated as a matter of reach in terms of an omnidirectional energy discharge.

 

[DontTalk]

More mass than the solar system doesn't mean solar system level, though.

The definition of solar system level energy is the energy that is necessary to destroy a solar system in an omnidirectional explosion. So that is largely unrelated to the solar systems mass.

Essentially you could put 5 more massive planets into our solar system and destroying it would still be the same value.


So the answer to that would be that a black hole with more mass than the solar system wouldn't be 4-B, but actually just 4-C. Just like destroying stars with more mass than our solar system (many have that much) is often just 4-C.


(Creating a black hole the size of the solar system happens to be 4-B, though)

 

[Kaltias]

ok, i think i understood. Thanks to everyone for the help.

 

[Antvasima]

I will close this thread then.