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A Pica Revision! Again!
- Thread starter PlumCrayfish376
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Wrath Of Itachi said:
For
1. Emitable
2. Fix
3. Strings
4. Astral
5. Plumfish
6. Ryuga
7. Gilgamesh
8. Milly Rocking bandit
9. Ant
10. Tetsucabra (no officers though)
11. M3X
12. DDM
13. Ryuga (Only Zoro and those from Zoro)
14. Stefano
15. Lordwhis
16. Strawboi
17. Cin
18. Aerozz
Against
1. Damage
2. Xulrev
3. Imade
4. Kepekley
5. Paul frank
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You forgot Qaw and Imade and DDM in the against, and included people in the For category who didnt even argue it scales.
Theres some obvious bias here, and further, it's not a votes thing. It's an objective facts thing.
Including the calc in Picas profile is all but pointless since it opens up the door for this discussion to simply occur again in the future, and will be used to support other high end calcs when this objectively cannot support those existing since even the person who caused this calc doesnt scale to it
Theres some obvious bias here, and further, it's not a votes thing. It's an objective facts thing.
Including the calc in Picas profile is all but pointless since it opens up the door for this discussion to simply occur again in the future, and will be used to support other high end calcs when this objectively cannot support those existing since even the person who caused this calc doesnt scale to it
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Fortunately for us this wiki doesn't take the side with the most votes. That's 100% mob mentality.
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@Dr. Fix; DDM doesn't agree with the scaling, so you should fix that.
Also, I'm pretty sure not everyone who agrees with the calc being used agrees with it scaling to everyone, so I don't think this is as simple as a For/Against situation.
@Antvasima; even if we added the calc, I don't think Pica's ratings necessarily need changing. He can still be lists as "higher" with his Devil Fruit.
Also, I'm pretty sure not everyone who agrees with the calc being used agrees with it scaling to everyone, so I don't think this is as simple as a For/Against situation.
@Antvasima; even if we added the calc, I don't think Pica's ratings necessarily need changing. He can still be lists as "higher" with his Devil Fruit.
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Who would this scale to? Yonko Commanders maybe? What about characters like Vergo and Sanji?
Eminiteable
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"Including the calc in Picas profile is all but pointless since it opens up the door for this discussion to simply occur again in the future, and will be used to support other high end calcs"
Makes sense why you and damage are trying to not even have the calc acknowledged considering your goals of discrediting 6-B scaling.
Makes sense why you and damage are trying to not even have the calc acknowledged considering your goals of discrediting 6-B scaling.
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It doesn't directly scale to anybody. And trying to indirectly scale anyone to it requires unnecessary assumptions.ChocomilkAlex said:
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Also I agree with this upgrade.
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Damage and Xulrev make good points here, I disagree with this calc scaling to anyone.
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Wait a second
Is this Kinetic Energy for his whole body or just his attack?
Is this Kinetic Energy for his whole body or just his attack?
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Also agreed with Damage
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I mainly agreed that calling the feat an outlier didn't seem like the right choice of words, I didn't quite agree with it scaling to Zoro or other characters.
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Thank you everyone for commenting here again.
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Pretty certain I calculated the punches and standing via PE and not KE. I calculated the regrowth feats as KE.Damage3245 said:
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Also, I am not certain about scaling people like Zoro to Pica's statue walking around.
However, I do find it STRANGE if we consider that the mountain-man walking around would 1) be superior to his superior--Doflamingo, 2) Be superior to Gear 4th Luffy, 3) Be significantly stronger than the ADMIRALS, and most importantly 4) His Punches (Which techinically should not be equal to his walking) would be <1/100th of his power from a normal walking pace.
Personally, I'm just trying to figure out Pica's Attack Power with his punches, and since it appears we CAN take human punching speeds and apply it to find a time-frame for KE, we CAN do it. Probably High 7-A results at the most, however (inb4 it's actually 6-C).
However, I do find it STRANGE if we consider that the mountain-man walking around would 1) be superior to his superior--Doflamingo, 2) Be superior to Gear 4th Luffy, 3) Be significantly stronger than the ADMIRALS, and most importantly 4) His Punches (Which techinically should not be equal to his walking) would be <1/100th of his power from a normal walking pace.
Personally, I'm just trying to figure out Pica's Attack Power with his punches, and since it appears we CAN take human punching speeds and apply it to find a time-frame for KE, we CAN do it. Probably High 7-A results at the most, however (inb4 it's actually 6-C).
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@CinCameron20; since Pica hasn't actually been upgraded yet, we don't currently consider him to be superior to all of those characters.
Just because a calc exists for something doesn't mean we need to take the calc as absolute fact. And if it messes with scaling to a degree as large as this, then it is better off not adding to his profile.
And thank you for clarifying on the calcs.
Just because a calc exists for something doesn't mean we need to take the calc as absolute fact. And if it messes with scaling to a degree as large as this, then it is better off not adding to his profile.
And thank you for clarifying on the calcs.
Stefano4444
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You mean using the same method used by PlumCrayfish376, but instead of walking speed it would be punching speed?CinCameron20 said:
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@Stefano - Basically, but different mass (Using the arm and shoulder rotation) and speed (average human punching speed, which is probably, what... 10-15m/s if not more?)
But Pica's arm is significantly larger in proportion (taking up around 80% of his total height when an arm is usually around 45-50% for your typical dude), so the scaling would have to be altered slightly.
The resulting energy would scale to Zoro since he tanked a punch from a smaller Golem, and stopped an attack from the larger one with his 1080 pound canon.
But Pica's arm is significantly larger in proportion (taking up around 80% of his total height when an arm is usually around 45-50% for your typical dude), so the scaling would have to be altered slightly.
The resulting energy would scale to Zoro since he tanked a punch from a smaller Golem, and stopped an attack from the larger one with his 1080 pound canon.
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@Cin; I disagree on him scaling the larger golem. He interrupted the attack by hurting Pica, not by halting the kinetic energy of the moving arm.
Also it's not as simple as just applying punching speed to mass of the entire arm. When you punch your entire arm is not moving at the same speed.
Also it's not as simple as just applying punching speed to mass of the entire arm. When you punch your entire arm is not moving at the same speed.
Stefano4444
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Well i made a quick search, i haven't found that much about punching speed for normal people.CinCameron20 said:
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/17068-how-fast-does-punch-generally-travel.html
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-approximative-speed-of-a-punch
https://www.quora.com/How-fast-does-a-fist-travel-when-punching-someone
For boxers instead i found that it can be anywhere from 25 mph to 30 mph to 35 mph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzlFeuNxrfQ
The lowest end i have find for professional boxers is about 30 feet for second, or 9.144 m/s.
If we go with that speed.
1.75/2525.90170443 = 9.144 =====> (2525.90170443*9.144)/1.75 = 13198.1972 m/s
Stefano4444
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For the mass, we have the volume of Pica's arm already, which is 8.6395394e14 cm^3.
Just change cm^3 to m^3, multiply with the average density of rock, which is 2700 kg/m^3, and you will find the mass.
8.6395394e14 cm^3 = 863953940 m^3
863953940*2700 = 2332675638000 kg
Just change cm^3 to m^3, multiply with the average density of rock, which is 2700 kg/m^3, and you will find the mass.
8.6395394e14 cm^3 = 863953940 m^3
863953940*2700 = 2332675638000 kg
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If you calc the size and punching speed of the tiny golem, possibly.CinCameron20 said:
We aren't discussing calcing the largest golem's punch and assuming, for no reason, that it scales to a tiny golem right?
Further, Damage is correct in that Zoro did not halt an attack with 1080 pound cannon, he struck Pica directly to interrupt it, that's vastly different.
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@Antvasima; I've explained this problem before. The Admirals are completely unrelated to this, and just because we believe them to be strong doesn't mean we can automatically scale them to a character we believe to be weaker.
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Also, sidenote: the speed of boxers used by Stefano up above is explicitly for people trying to punch as fast as possible and sacrificing punching power when doing so (jabs). It's not applicable to the type of punches delivered by Pica, and would be enormously fallacious to try and calc as-such
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Damage3245 said:
what?
We can't scale someone stronger to someone weaker because they are completely unrelated to this even though most of the times scaling is done from characters completely unrelated to other characters....?
