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A Game Called Bullet Hell! (The Lich vs Han Jee-Han)

I meant Lich's.

Also, I don't think volume of attacks counts as a multiplier. So is he baseline otherwise?
 
What? No, it's a multiplier Kwon has. She starts burning her soul to become several times stronger.
 
Is it a canon multiplier or...?

If so, where was this accepted, since we generally don't accept just "many times stronger" without a reason to do so.
 
Yes. She starts burning her soul to become several times stronger. It allows her to beat oponents that would trash her otherwise.

Well, we accept them as far as they make sense. Several times is at most a X4 multiplier, tough I prefer to assume 2 for simplicity's sake, and it allows her to beat people who are far stronger than her base.
 
Yeah but threads are a thing needed to confirm validity. otherwise we get stuff like Brolypotence. So was this accepted?
 
It was brought up when making the new keys for the new arc and no-one had a problem wuth it. I think PaChi commented there too? Not sure.
 
Without that he should scale to at least 200 tons due to minor skills giving him percentage amps, and his Gamer Ability stated powers were accepted as a thing.
 
...

so what you're saying is

we can only estimate keys due to a lack of actual multipliers.
 
No. There are direct multipliers that put him at 200, but there is a statement about a multiplier that makes them several times stronger.
 
Where are these

Because so far I've only heard "He's stronger than baseline"

Which is odd because his key for 8-A literally comes from being stronger than before.
 
He's previous key is slightly weaker than 100 tons. He fodderized people on that level at the start of the season, and proceeds to get powerups later on.

The multiplier comes from every skill he has. The passive ones at least. Nearly every ability he possesses gives a passive increase in power, speed and such.
 
Even assuming baseline, Han will almost certanly start with speed amp (On top of the passive ones through his martial arts skills), and then observe. After that likely use quantum computer level calculation and hundreds of times better mental strenght than an average human to just figure out the best way to incap. He will likelt summon golems regardless tough.
 
Yeeeeah I'm still voting Lich. Han's method of incap aren't astounding compared to Lich having Kaliber just "loltimehax". Meaning Lich can eventually win.
 
But... how exactly does he win? He can't one-shot due to the mana barriers, and worse comes to worse han just teleports into a pocket dimension and trains up until he can stomp him AP wise. He isn't killing those golems either.

And why would him being stomped on for eternity by golems activate time manip for all that matters?
 
He can just shoot until Han dies, tbh. If Han runs mid-combat, not uh... not sure how the wiki even handles a character that just runs away from a fight.

Either way. From what I can tell, Han has no feasible method of killing Lich, just incapping him for awhile. Whereas Lich also has teleportation, and can dish out attacks far more potent than Han's. Amping is a thing but from what I can tell, no multipliers are accepted for the character- so it isn't a huge gap-filling thing.

Lich should be able to eventually kill Han.
 
No, no he can't. Not with Han having the speed advantage and being able to teleport into a pocket dimension. It handles it the same way bfr is handled, if they go away for more than a week then it's bfr, but this won't happen due to him not needing 7 months to get his stuff together.

Exept having he's golems keep beating at him, or just restrain and have a golem tortuer him, or develop the power absorption he wanted and then let him suffer on his own, or hace golems keep torturing him...

Litirally told you that the Gamer based multipliers are accepted. And that no one had a problem with Kwon's when I brought that up in a CRT.
 
...except that also isn't how the Gungeon works. You're sealed there. Granted, Han could feasibly get to other floors of the Gungeon, but nobody who enters the Gungeon is ever able to leave. Again, Kaliber.

Neat.

Where? Because they sound extremely vague.
 
First if all, how would he be forced in there? He should have quiet the lifting strenght advantage. Second of all, he can force his way out of places like that, so doesn't mean much. He could also, again, potionscum.

They are not vague. They are litiral % increases in power and abilities.
 
Sealing. Sealing is how.

Yes, they are. Because you are assigning arbitrary values to an ultimately vague statement of "he is stronger". So where were these accepted?
 
But you said that he opens a poetal and grabs with an extra hand. And again, force his way out.

Yes. I already repeated this quiet a bit, it was accepted. And the profile says he is stronger, not the manwha. In the manwha he has passive skills that give him % power increases.
 
No no. This is a different thing. Lich isn't what seals people in. The Gungeon itself passively seals you inside based on the power of Kaliber. As in the ability Sealing. Nobody can escape the Gungeon.

W H E R E

I keep asking W H E R E

Not if

Just the where.
 
Well ain't that an nlf. How would they end up there in the first place? And why can't he just not care about the sealing and force his way out?

Im on a phone, wait a bit. Though, nearly every chapter.
 
Sealing isn't an NLF lol. If you resist Sealing better than what Kaliber has, gr8, you're above that rule. What in the world.

Every chapter... what? I'm asking for a thread.
 
You can't escape is an nlf. Han can break out of stuff like this, so saying he can't escape no matter what is nlf.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
You can't escape is an nlf. Han can break out of stuff like this, so saying he can't escape no matter what is nlf.
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Possible. Just need resistance to Sealing. D&D characters have it.
 
IF the sealing is about throwing him into a pocket dimension then yeah, he can get out of that, or create a pocket dimension in the pocket dimension.
 
Got a quote on "hey these arbitrary multipliers are A-Okay"? Seems a speed multiplier for time dilation was accepted, though. And... a Low 7-B thing.
 
The Low 7-B was made to downgrade from 7-B, which is wjy it was accepted. Seriously tough, when was it said that a crt is needed for it? Pretty sure that what was needed is for it to be consistent and have a reliable source, which are both true.
 
Wow, I've missed a lot.

What are his abilities based on? If they're based on an energy source, that gets equalized such that Han can powernull him with magical shackles of binding.

Thing I'm most confused on is the Lich's win condition. How exactly is he going to defeat Han? We've established that his danmaku and summons are hugely insufficient to accomplish the task. And if the loltimehax happens, then the same result will occur. Unless the Lich is acasual, but even still, Han is more than intelligent enough to not go down and simply outlast him.

Also, should the Lich have resistance to BFR?
 
When the multiplier thread came around since people found cases of an absurd multiplier (1,000,000x IIRC) being accepted.

So. You have no calc and no accepted multiplier since it doesn't seem the ones you're saying exist on that thread.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
When the multiplier thread came around since people found cases of an absurd multiplier (1,000,000x IIRC) being accepted.
So. You have no calc and no accepted multiplier since it doesn't seem the ones you're saying exist on that thread.
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The thread where it was discussed did discuss that tough. It's the reason why it needs to be reliable and provable. Han has showcased the apropriete boosts in power, and it's the second closest thing to omniscient in the verse that is telling him the multiplier.

Again, where was that agreed on? I was on the thread and it was litirally said that as long as it's reasonable it's alright.
 
1. No, Lich doesn't have an "energy source", pretty much just guns.

2. Shooting until he dies. Han isn't immune from physical damage, and the best thing he has to counter aside from Teleportation (Lich also has) is forcefields, which can be handled by overhwelming damage.

3. Not really, since it isn't a part of his person that does that.
 
Then physical endurance should work fine here.

The Shields regenerate, and he can potion scum, and he can hide behind a few golems. And he has speed to dodge them.
 
Gotcha.

Han has telekinesis though, so he could rip the guns from his hands as well.

I mean, Han has regenerating forcefields, regen, golems, his own counter danmaku, etc. Not to mention time acceleration.
 
Time acceleration means very little, golems can be dealt with. Forcefields are an argument but I doubt they will regen everything, and Lich can just regen back all damage since he can come back from being dust.
 
Even if Han did die, he's golems would still kill the Lich eventually, ressurecting Han due to time manip.
 
How would they get past his natural regen though
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Time acceleration means very little, golems can be dealt with. Forcefields are an argument but I doubt they will regen everything, and Lich can just regen back all damage since he can come back from being dust.
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Saying it means little isn't really great arguing.

How?

Why would they not?

Wasn't that only in his transitioning?

And Han would be going for the Incap regardless.
 
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