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A Demon Hunter v.s A Mouse wields a keyblade

Okay...let's go

7-B in base, 3-A, possibly Low 2-Cwith Sparda Devil Trigger. That said, I don't know how the Sparda Devil Trigger is, nor how or why it makes the 7-B 3-A. Can someone please explain?

Sparda DT is transformation that Dante can acess with the Devil Sword Sparda, it doesn't have a time limit and it makes him 3-A for fighting Mundus. And he starts transformed here since the OP said "3-A for both", so this isn't that relevant, what you need to know is that Dante is much higher than baseline in this form

2. Mickey's Lifting Strength is Class M, higher with Force amplification. Dante's in this key is At least Class 5. Class G with Sparda Devil Trigger. Since Class M's maximum is the minimum of Class G, & Mickey is "higher with Force amplification", how does Force amp work, & how high into their LS values are they? Because force amp might mean Mickey could be higher. Among other uses, this could allow him to disarm Dante.

Higher means that with certain item, skill or power, you are stronger than usual, however we don't know how much the force amps Mickey, and he's not at the limit of Class M just because he is on this Tier, so even with "Higher", Mickey's is Class M while Dante is stronger, so maybe Dante will disarm him here

3. Dienomite22 mentioned Dante will go for Sealing if Mickey resurrects or come back. Besides that Mickey doesn't have Resurrection (Unless I missed a hidden link.), how does Dante's Sealing work, & what prompts him to use it?

He uses Ebony and Ivory to shoot a charged bullet which seals the opponent while also sending them into the Demon World, so it's also a BFR. He will use if the opponent can't be defeated by normal means

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mickey hard to kill because of this? Immortality and Non-Corporeal (Types 2 and 8; Lost his heart and doesn't need it to live which somewhat function as a soul.

Dante can also hurt souls

Yes, Mickey is hard to kill, that's why Dante will seal him

7. Duplication: In theory, enough clones could overpower statistical & skill advantages, especially with speed equalized & every clone being experienced, magical, toon-force having Jedi & Keyblade Masters, making them highly skilled. Also, can Dante seal them all at once, especially if they know it's coming?

He can, his Sealing have a good AOE, it sealed Mundus and this guy is huge

Knowing what's coming it's going to save you all the time, specially when you don't know how Mickey's Precognition really work, most of them are not applicable on combat

8. Reflega, which can reflect melee & magical attacks, & often makes opponents recoil. Would this work on Sealing? Would make an opening, & also, how well can Dante take his own attacks?

It can reflect attacks cabale of one shoting Mickey ? It could work on Sealing but Dante have the Royalguard, which can block any attack even from enemies that can destroy Dante with one punch, so nothing on Dante's arsenal is really dangerous for himself, if he gets BFR'd, he have dimensional travel

9. Mickey can inflict statuses, & while Dante DOES resist Paralysis & Fear, he doesn't resist Blindness. And his only Enhanced Sense is "Enhanced Senses (Enhanced Sixth)". How does that work?

It means Blindness it's not going to be effective, DMC characters already showed to see and sense people while kilometers away and even from that distance, they were able to know the person's gender

12. Mickey can actually outrange.

It is a good advantage, however you have to remember their AP difference, Mickey is going to have a really hard time to actually hurt Dante, and he even have Regenerationn and Royalguard to avoid damage

Also, Dante can just use the Untouchable to become Invulnerable

Also also, if this skill is linked to Mickey's AP or Lifting strenght, then Dante is going to escape without problems since he is stronger physically and in AP by a good margin

If it's not linked, you need to show us some feats, who was defeat or overpowered by this ability, and how he compares to Dante, not having resistance to something doesn't mean you can't escape

I belive everything else was already answered
 
Dante and Mickey are 4KM away and Dante can hit that far

Mickey range spamming that far has literally never happened ever.
 
Dante range spamming was literally all of DMC2 lmao

Dante FRA.

The Sora match should also be added since KH is literally a very, very small amount above baseline 3-A, not a useful amount like some people imply. It would only really matter against people who are baseline, which Dante is always above in all of his 3-A forms.
 
Question: How far above baseline? Isn't Mickey barely above baseline, & the minimum for a one-shot something like 7.5 times or above? If Dante's AP in DMC1 scales to his durability, wouldn't that mean he'd be Durable enough Mickey can't harm him?

And given we don't know where Mickey's Heart is (which is like his Soul), he can't really die to Type 8 Immortality.

Dante could try Sealing, but Reflega would send his Sealing bullet back at him, & doesn't Mundus resist other means of sealing and have ways to come back? Why would such potent sealing not be game over for Dante?
 
Dante has dimensional travel and Royal Guard/His own attack reflection to deal with Relfega. Even if he's sealed he'll just come back because he just rips through dimensions to do so, or the bullet gets ponged between the two of them with their respective attack reflections.
 
Wait a minute, isn't it that Sparda was sealed in the demonic world and returned after a while, now that I remember that would not give resistance to sealing? or something to counter it?
 
Indeed

Attack reflection is also potency based

So, again, what stops Dante from shooting through it with vastly higher AP then what it has showcasing.
 
Oliver de jesus said:
Wait a minute, isn't it that Sparda was sealed in the demonic world and returned after a while, now that I remember that would not give resistance to sealing? or something to counter it?
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No, he sealed the demon world with his power and sword inside of it, he lived in the human world until he "died"
 
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I'm not gonna disagree with the vote count, but I saw no acknowleding of Grace. (Also, technically Dante is a possibly Low 2-C in this Key. But not that relevant because specified at 3-A.)

(Also, if voting does end up open because of the failure to follow VTF by not acknowleding grace: Mickey isn't dying because of Type 8 & Jedi Master Precognition, & him barely being able to hurt Dante but Dante being much more dangerous to him means he'd be more likely to use his Existence Erasure first. Dante would barely be taking damage and each hit he does to Mickey would seem much stronger; He doesn't KNOW Mickey has Type 8. Also, Duplication & Magnega, & the duplicates could just move out of the sealing's range or teleport. Also, there's arguably some precedent for Reflect working against stronger attacks, since Sora's Reflect spells work on Twilight-Xemnas, the strongest character in the 'verse at the time, who took on both Sora and Riku both at once.)
 
Grace doesn't have to be acknowledge if a most if not all of the users onesidely vote on a particular character.

But to respond to your points.

Dante doesn't need to know Mickey has Type 8 blah blah or any other things.Once Mickey revives Dante would go for sealing since his opponent can resurrect/can't die/is too strong etc.And Dante has multiple ways to make it hard for Mickey to move or out right stop him.Duplication (can create a perfect copy of himself),Time stop, Time slow, Teleportation and BFR.Mickey has ways of winning but it only works if Dante chooses not to seal after killing Mickey, which is highly unlikely or Mickey using EE which can be countered by Dante just time stoping/slowing and sealing anyway.
 
Dienomite22 said:
Grace doesn't have to be acknowledge if a most if not all of the users onesidely vote on a particular character.
But to respond to your points.

Dante doesn't need to know Mickey has Type 8 blah blah or any other things.Once Mickey revives Dante would go for sealing since his opponent can resurrect/can't die/is too strong etc.And Dante has multiple ways to make it hard for Mickey to move or out right stop him.Duplication (can create a perfect copy of himself),Time stop, Time slow, Teleportation and BFR.Mickey has ways of winning but it only works if Dante chooses not to seal after killing Mickey, which is highly unlikely or Mickey using EE which can be countered by Dante just time stoping/slowing and sealing anyway.
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Type 8 is NOT Revival, it's Immortality; To kill him, you need to get rid of his Heart, which he doesn't have. Mickey does not HAVE Resurrection. (He does have High-Mid Regenerationn, however. Would Dante's AP difference make him reduce a comparatively weak enough opponent to mince meat or more thoroughly destroyed?) And Mickey is statistically, weaker; How do you tell apart someone who's weaker than you & who has a lot of stamina from someone Immortal?

Also, I'm curious about his Resistance to Time Stop.

Darkness Manipulation, Time Stop and Extrasensory Perception (With Devil Sword Sparda, should have similar powers to his father, the Sparda Sword can also hide Dante's presence)

From his Standard Equipment: After absorbing both Rebellion and Sparda, Dante's main weapon is the Devil Sword Dante, alongside his pistols and the shotgun

From his Attack Potency:

Universe level, possibly Universe level+ (Absorbed the Devil Sword Sparda and Rebellion into his body, creating his own Devil Sword, allowing him to be capable of defeating Urize even after he ate the Qliphoth's Fruit. Comparable to Vergil), bypasses durability to an extent by destroying his enemies from the inside with Sin Devil Trigger

That quote is from his Devil May Cry 5 Key.

So, the thing that gives him his Time Stop Resistance isn't something he's absorbed yet (Although it is his default weapon in DMC1, no?), & could be disarmed from him via Magnega or Telekinesis? And Mickey has Time Stop as well....
 
Tony di bugalu said:
I don't really see much of a debate
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Well, some points that before were for Dante got rendered null, which also arguably invalidates some votes in the process.
 
@Imaginym

Doesn't matter, Dante hits Mickey, he regnerates,doesn't die or whatever.Dante goes for sealing

DMC1 Dante is 3-A via Sparda meaning this Dante is using Sparda (otherwise he wouldn't be 3-A) so he's naturally resistant to it.

DMC5 Dante absorbs the Sparda and Rebellion into his body meaning he gained it's resitances and properties for himself allowing him to use other weapons and what not while still being resistant to Time Stop, Darkness manipulation,ESP.
 
Dienomite22 said:
@Imaginym
Doesn't matter, Dante hits Mickey, he regnerates,doesn't die or whatever.Dante goes for sealing

DMC1 Dante is 3-A via Sparda meaning this Dante is using Sparda (otherwise he wouldn't be 3-A) so he's naturally resistant to it.

DMC5 Dante absorbs the Sparda and Rebellion into his body meaning he gained it's resitances and properties for himself allowing him to use other weapons and what not while still being resistant to Time Stop, Darkness manipulation,ESP.
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Dante goes for Sealing, Mickey sees him readying a charged shot (Whether normally or via Precognition), & dodges, gets out of ranged, disarms, uses telekinesis, Magnega, Fairy Sketch, blinds, summons clones, breaks the fourth wall by leaving the fiction & screwing with the frame before Dante finishes charging , etc.

Or heck, while Dante's charging, Mickey slaps him with his paintbrush to EE.

And that's assuming Reflega DOESN'T work on higher AP attacks, despite that: "Some common limitations include only working on attacks of a certain type or power level, a lengthy preparation time, or a specific requirement for use. "

Common Limitations as in, that's not necessarily the case for all AR. Sora can AR Sephiroth's attacks, Sora & Riku can AR Twilight Xemnas's attacks, Lingering Will can AR Terra-Xehanort's attacks (Despite LW being only Terra's Keyblade Armor and will/rage, Terra-Xehanort having control of Terra's body, Xehanort's power, & restraining Terra's Heart.), & Aqua can Attack Reflect Ventus-Vanitas with the Incomplete X-Blade, as well as AR Terra-Xehanort's attacks, among other examples.

So I'm skeptical the Reflect spell breaks under AP that's similar but higher.

The only time a Reflect spell has been shown to be broken is when it bursts as it's intended to, when deflecting a melee attack; When it reflects projectiles, it flashes, & deflects multiple.

In any of those cases, there's still a Mickey that isn't sealed. And yes, this Dante IS using Sparda. I said that; My point was Dante hasn't ABSORBED Sparda, & it can be taken out of his grip.

"DMC5 Dante absorbs the Sparda and Rebellion into his body meaning he gained it's resitances and properties for himself allowing him to use other weapons and what not while still being resistant to Time Stop, Darkness manipulation,ESP."

That was my point. This is NOT DMC5 Dante, it's DMC1 Dante, so his resistance is based on him having the Sparda Devil Weapon.

(Also, this doesn't cover the matters of Mickey's Wish Granting, Biological Manipulation and Power Nullification, which could be relevant if it was known how they worked.)
 
@Imaginym

Only possible if Dante doesn't stop time or react at all.

Sealing isn't that slow.

I don't know what this is about.I don't remember arguing reflega stuff or talking about it myself.

So Dante has resistance to time stop in this match.Unless your trying to say something else?
 
So, how do you think that Mickey can take out the sword from his hands?

Telekinesis, take it by force, magnega? Dante having a higher lifting strength says "no"

Dante can summon an exact clone of himself which means more AP destroying Mickey if he sees a great amount of clones surrounding him.

Can Mickey see/think/act while lacking a body? because with the AP difference he will get completly destroyed for quite some time until Dante seals.

How high is xehanort again? because Dante has the ap by a scaling chain that goes by one shoting the weaker guy.

Argosax does the feat sealed and a universe away with just his presence, the Despair is way stronger as it is his full power, Mundus is comparable and he himself killled the previous Demon God who separated the universe into 2, and most of them are stronger than the tree/fruit which grants 3-A powers.

If he isn't that high then the "shield" that relfects attacks gets destroyed and gg.

Yes, some of Dante's resistances are reliant on him having the sword but mickey taking it from him seems impossible (especially when Mundus didn't even tried it)

Dante resist Biological manip, and I don't think power null can dissolve such a AP gap.
 
Bobsican said:
Mickey is a little bit above baseline, but it´s still enought to be a difference
The scaling chain goes like this:

Mickey = Sora > Xehanort = Baseline 3-A + countless "worlds" which can be up to 4-A in size

And the AP change was in another thread, the attemp for tier 2 KH one, which is still 3-A, and so why it isn´t really mentioned in profiles
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