A change in the wiki security settings

[NoOneCanJustDeflectTheEmeraldSplash]

That won't work, there's too many.

 

[Uradelbauer]

Also for one telling people to stop posting screencaps of cp and malware links on here, instead just a note or something.

 

[NoOneCanJustDeflectTheEmeraldSplash]

But what if they start mass editing wiki articles?

 

[Agnaa]

Too many what? Too many trolls? There's on average maybe 1 a day that edit troll, from what I've seen in RV. Most of the reports have been for chat spam, which is solved by the 10 edit limit on chat.

 

[Uradelbauer]

That won't work, there's too many.

There's like a dozen at most.

 

[Agnaa]

But what if they start mass editing wiki articles?

Fandom provides convenient tools for reverting mass edits. It takes them hundreds of clicks for what can be undone in only a few.

 

[NoOneCanJustDeflectTheEmeraldSplash]

Well, you've convinced me. We should lift the edit ban, leave the chat ban.

 

[Uradelbauer]

A chat ban would be way more reasonable, not literally blocking off all growth this wiki got.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I myself also agree to lift the edit ban and left chat ban only.

 

[First_Witch]

Im with Agnaa on this. Getting more Staffmembers in low-authority roles should be more pushed instead of taking the easy way out. Chat and Content mods are crucial community jobs, who have enough authority to get their job done. They are not Admins, so getting more CANT hurt the wiki. Im not saying we should now take every Willy and promote them, but there shoudnt be such an hard requirement to become one.

I mean hell, we have less Chat-AND Content mods then Admins together. Not saying that having many Admins is bad, no no no, but having so many people in positions where reliability and trust is more important then the other 2 jobs and having so few who just monitore chat and wiki articles is kinda baffling.

Tl;Dr: Get more Chat and Content mods.

 

[Uradelbauer]

Yeah basically.

 

[Antvasima]

Stop spamming this thread please.

That said, I have notified Bert Hall of your concerns, but he is very busy with more important tasks and usually takes quite a while to reply.

For the record, I agree that only the chat should have a 10 edits restriction.

 

[Uradelbauer]

How am I spamming the thread?

 

[Antvasima]

Lots of messages without new information or sentiments.

 

[Uradelbauer]

Almost everyone is guilty of that. None of it is derailment apart from this exact one so I don't see how it's bad.

 

[Antvasima]

My apologies, but arguing for the sake of arguing in lots of posts without contributing anything new is only wasting everybody else's time.

 

[Uradelbauer]

They were responding to other people. I don't see how that's wasting time.

 

[Antvasima]

@First Witch

It is hard to find suitable and trustworthy content moderators, but we have 5 suggestions for chat moderators in the new staff recruitment drive, and discussion moderators are also able to block people from the chat.

 

[Antvasima]

They were responding to other people. I don't see how that's wasting time.

This is a case in point of arguing over nothing for the sheer sake of arguing. Drop the subject please.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I already said multiple time to him for stop yet he still continue.

 

[Uradelbauer]

I don't know many people who would be bad or untrustworthy as moderators honestly. They usually would've been banned or warned for something past 1k edits. There are only 2 chat moderators after all.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I suppose that we will eventually have to start removing his posts to not have this important thread derail completely.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Vel I think his recent replies were more constructive to be fair.

 

[Uradelbauer]

Lol. Okay then. Unfollowed for you. Next time just tell me to shut up, it doesn't take as long.

 

[Antvasima]

We have a very large staff, and it is about to get even larger after our new staff recruitment drive, but we must still strive towards high standards of only promoting people that are reasonable, rational, reliable, mature, and levelheaded.

Our standards for promoting chat moderators are admittedly not as strict though, but, since I do not use the chat, it is hard for me to find suitable candidates on my own.

 

[Uradelbauer]

If you haven't barred me from commenting on this thread, it would clearly help to get moderators from diverse timezones onto that team. Most people here honestly fit those labels. Also, 3 chat moderators is not a large amount.

Maybe you should come onto the chat once when it is fairly active and see the atmosphere. It is quite different from the main site.

 

[Antvasima]

I am far too overworked to use the chat.

 

[Agnaa]

If you haven't barred me from commenting on this thread, it would clearly help to get moderators from diverse timezones onto that team. Most people here honestly fit those labels. Also, 3 chat moderators is not a large amount.

Maybe you should come onto the chat once when it is fairly active and see the atmosphere. It is quite different from the main site.

I'm pretty sure there's a separate thread where you can suggest staff.

I know there's one for suggesting calc group members, but I'm not sure about other positions.

 

[Uradelbauer]

Can you link it to me?

@Ant:

I am not asking you to use it, but literally just go on it once in an active time.

 

[Agnaa]

This is the thread for suggesting calc group members, but I can't find one for suggesting other staff members, there must not be one.

 

[Andytrenom]

Don't visit chat Ant. The worst of mankind is found there

 

[Uradelbauer]

I remember getting shocked at the contrast between it and the main wiki when I started going on reasonably often.

 

[Read_this_post]

Just going to edit yamchas profile to 11-C and back about 10 times, brb (jk)

 

[Antvasima]

Only current staff members are allowed to suggest new candidates.

 

[Ywlrvl]

While I think this is a good temporary solution, I feel like we just played right into their hands.

I don't know why, but I feel like they kinda wanted something like this to happen, to stop our community from growing.

 

[Antvasima]

Our community is absolutely massive as it is, with several hundred active members, to the point of nearly being unmanageable. That is the very least of our problems.

 

[Uradelbauer]

Didn't you celebrate the growth of the wiki many times? It seems fairly important to you.

 

[Antvasima]

I celebrate the growth in our visitor counts and page view statistics. That is a separate issue from our several hundred monthly active contributors, who are more than enough to keep the wiki running and improving.

 

[Uradelbauer]

Eventually people become inactive and just leave. It is not sustainable. Also, the fact that no one can join will definitely impact that growth.

 

[Antvasima]

In the long run, yes, but we are certainly more than able to manage for a while, so I do not think that we should encourage overreactions either.