9-A Hawkeye and Black Widow with Class 5 lifting strength

[Revan_Laha]

Hawkeye and Black Widow can be very much 9-A with Class 5 lifting strength

Hawkeye pierces a bulletproof Ultron Sentry- https://static.comicvine.com/upload...92893/6262605-giphy (19)-iloveimg-cropped.gif

AK-47 and handgun bullets reflect off Ultron Sentries- https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111292893/6263838-6676073468-52106.gif

Hawkeye holds his own against Black Panther who is 8-C- https://static.comicvine.com/upload...92893/6262811-giphy (39)-iloveimg-cropped.gif

Black Widow slightly harms Winter Soldier who is 8-C- https://static.comicvine.com/upload...92893/6263858-giphy (41)-iloveimg-cropped.gif

Black Widow survives an impact that causes a small crater- https://static.comicvine.com/upload...92893/6263958-giphy (37)-iloveimg-cropped.gif

Justification for Class 5 lifting strength

Black Widow restrains an Ultron Sentry with one arm- https://static.comicvine.com/upload...92893/6263801-giphy (31)-iloveimg-cropped.gif

The same Ultron Sentry can lift cars- https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11129/111292893/6263836-4759781713-52106.gif

Also Hawkeye prevented Quicksilver from getting up by stepping on his leg. The same Quicksilver can rip the arms of Ultron Sentries

 

[GyroNutz]

Seems fair enough

 

[Dino_W]

I personally agree with it, as it makes peak humans more consistent.

 

[Assembled1801]

That'll work.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Ultron drones aren't bullet proof. BW and Fury killed multiple with hand guns. The Widow thing with the Hulk is at best a 9-B feat. As for the rest they have no supporting evidence for Class 5 and the WS stuff is at best an outlier in the current system.

So i disagree on all counts.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Ultron drones aren't bullet proof. BW and Fury killed multiple with hand guns. The Widow thing with the Hulk is at best a 9-B feat. As for the rest they have no supporting evidence for Class 5 and the WS stuff is at best an outlier in the current system.

So i disagree on all counts.

Handgun bullets just reflect off Ultron Sentries

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111292893/6263838-6676073468-52106.gif

 

[Revan_Laha]

We have lifting cars at Class 5 in our wiki

 

[Qawsedf234]

Black Widow and Fury both killed drones at close range. So either they're extremely inconsistent or their armor fails at close range combat.

I know lifting a car is Class 5. I'm saying they have no supporting evidence for such a rating.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Fury shot the drone in a weak spot if I remember. It could be possible their handguns are more powerful than regular handguns. Like those of FOX's Deadpool. Never seen a desert eagle bust multiple skulls like that.

And restraining someone who can lift cars with one arm is definitely Class 5 for me

 

[Revan_Laha]

If Hawkeye is just 9-B, he would never have been able do what he did in the movie. He deflected multiple punches from Panther

 

[Qawsedf234]

I brought up the fact that them being 9-B before didn't make sense but it was still rejected. BP didn't want to kill Hawkeye anyways to my memory. As for the Drones them being Class has no bearing on Hawkeye. He has no supporting evidence for that rating.

Also try limiting your responses to one comment.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Hawkeye pierces a bulletproof Ultron Sentry- https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111292893/6262605-giphy%20%2819%29-iloveimg-cropped.gif

He stabbed it below the jaw, which is not covered as there has to be space for head movement without the neck interfering with it.

Hawkeye holds his own against Black Panther who is 8-C- https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111292893/6262811-giphy%20%2839%29-iloveimg-cropped.gif

It shows nothing of note.

Black Widow slightly harms Winter Soldier who is 8-C- https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111292893/6263858-giphy%20%2841%29-iloveimg-cropped.gif

She hit him in the crotch and all it did is make him flinch. I don't think that's any justification for anything at all, other than that his balls are sturdier than her fist.

Black Widow survives an impact that causes a small crater- https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111292893/6263958-giphy%20%2837%29-iloveimg-cropped.gif

Calc needed for how much force she took from falling from that height.

Justification for Class 5 lifting strength

Black Widow restrains an Ultron Sentry with one arm- https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111292893/6263801-giphy%20%2831%29-iloveimg-cropped.gif

It's not braced to anything unlike when it crawled out of the ground and turned over a car. It's like Bruce Lee's one inch punch which is sensationalized as this powerful punch but is actually just pushing an unbraced guy off his feet, granted, it did push him pretty far.

Also Hawkeye prevented Quicksilver from getting up by stepping on his leg. The same Quicksilver can rip the arms of Ultron Sentries

Pietro seems to have varying durability, depending on if his aura is up. I mean, he carries people out of a train's way with zero repercussions on their health, when it may have killed them from whiplash. (Watch at 0.25x speed and see the guy he moved)

Also, he didn't even try to stand up. Wasn't like he was being restrained or anything, just having a foot there so he doesn't immediately stand up.

Here's some feats though.

Nat can kick a guy off his feet from a disadvantageous position.

She shrugged off getting flung into a car.

Clint took a face full of metal and was hurting but conscious until Nat punched him.

Dunno if this is justification enough, but someone else may find others.

 

[XING06]

I don't agree with the AP upgrade, but we should consider class 5.

It is only one arm in a weaker position where Black Widow has more leverage, but the Ultron Sentry still demonstrated it could flip a car pretty easily.

Also, Bruce Lee's inch punch was hardly a push. It works off all the same principles as a regular punch if you look (shifting bodyweight from back to front + sharp twist of the hips/legs) just done with way way smaller movements and without much power generation from the shoulders.

It was comparatively weak, but definitely still enough to knock the wind out of someone. Mythbusters actually tested it out. It generated something like 150 lbf compared to a punch from Jaime which was ~350 lbf.