8-C Tournament Match 10 (Ermes Costello vs Lux Arcadia)

[Ionliosite]

No, he can't hit the Stand.

 

[Ionliosite]

But he really doesn't have to. He can pretty casually move around it, quite literally faster than Ermes can think.

No, he can't do that. That's only Quick Draw, A SINGLE ATTACK.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

So, it's weather she can use her stand to keep him away or not.

So, any reason he'd get past an enemy that he can't hit but can hit him?

 

[Moritzva]

So, it's weather she can use her stand to keep him away or not.
So, any reason he'd get past an enemy that he can't hit but can hit him?

As I said, blitzing with speed that can blitz people 10x faster before they can think.

Which Lux can do, Ion. You told me so yourself.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

For a single slash, no? That would hardly matter since he can't hit the stand, and would not be in range with her.

 

[Ionliosite]

It's literally a single attack, something that doesn't translate to his stats at all. He can't keep that speed at any other point beyond that single slash.

 

[Moritzva]

For a single slash, no? That would hardly matter since he can't hit the stand, and would not be in range with her.

Yea but the person behind it gets utterly obliterated since they don't have the durability. Once Lux realizes and senses the ghost, he'll just amp, casually walk around it, and slash.

 

[00potato]

Does it increase his speed for an attack or is it just a fast attack?

 

[Ionliosite]

Does it increase his speed for an attack or is it just a fast attack?

It's just a fast attack, it doesn't amp him at all.

 

[00potato]

Since speed is equal, it gets equalized then.I am pretty sure everything that isn't an amp gets equalized.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yea but the person behind it gets utterly obliterated since they don't have the durability. Once Lux realizes and senses the ghost, he'll just amp, casually walk around it, and slash.

You've been told a dozen times that he can't do that.

He can only slash that much faster, not walk or move faster.

The attack can't hit her stand, and the stand is equal in speed so just keeps smashing him back if he tries to get close.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Ermes: "Oh, you're approaching me? Then come at me, bro!"

<s> Lux:"I can't"

 

[Ionliosite]

Just restrict Quick Draw if you have so many problems with it.

 

[00potato]

Why restrict it?

 

[Ionliosite]

Because Moritzva appears to have severe problems with it. Anyways, it's not Lux can't fight without it.

 

[Moritzva]

Yea but the person behind it gets utterly obliterated since they don't have the durability. Once Lux realizes and senses the ghost, he'll just amp, casually walk around it, and slash.

You've been told a dozen times that he can't do that.
He can only slash that much faster, not walk or move faster.

The attack can't hit her stand, and the stand is equal in speed so just keeps smashing him back if he tries to get close.

Actually, I've been told a dozen times he can. We've been going over the matter on Discord a fair bit about blatantly contradictory statements from Ion, saying he can, but that he also can't.

 

[Ionliosite]

I've never once said he can walk or move 10x faster, I have only always said Quick Draw is that fast, and it doesn't scale to Lux's stats at all.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Oh boy, I should have long counted votes on this. I was pretty occupied today like most other people.


I think nobody has given clear votes yet... I will wait another 3 hours and then count clear votes.

 

[Ionliosite]

The only vote has been Moritzva saying stomp over and over again.

 

[Moritzva]

The only vote has been Moritzva saying stomp over and over again.

Because it is.

 

[Ionliosite]

No, it isn't. Ermas can easily destroy Lux any moment with her stickers, specially given the forcefields won't react at all to Kiss due to being non-physical.

But, Lux's dodging skills will help him to evade being touched, and he still has technques like End Action on his end. Overall, Ermas easily wins if she touches Lux, but that won't happen because Lux dodges.

 

[DontTalkDT]

No, it isn't. Ermas can easily destroy Lux any moment with her stickers, specially given the forcefields won't react at all to Kiss due to being non-physical.
But, Lux's dodging skills will help him to evade being touched, and he still has technques like End Action on his end. Overall, Ermas easily wins if she touches Lux, but that won't happen because Lux dodges.

Can I view that as a vote for Ermes?

 

[Ionliosite]

No? I voted Lux, did you read that right?

 

[DontTalkDT]

I read that right, but wrote it wrong. Sorry.

Lux, right.

2 votes for Lux then.

It's late here...

 

[Moritzva]

I just told you how Ermes can't go past the barriers. If you think otherwise, provide a single feat or scan of her doing it in combat.

If you find it, sure! Otherwise, stomp.

 

[Ionliosite]

Ermes doesn't even appear in Bahamut, so there's no such thing as scans of her bypassing the barries.

On the other hand, if you want scans of non-physical stuff bypassing them, I'll gladly give them.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Well, for the tournament Lux advances now. Next match soon.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Next Match is up.

 

[Moritzva]

Ermes doesn't even appear in Bahamut, so there's no such thing as scans of her bypassing the barries.
On the other hand, if you want scans of non-physical stuff bypassing them, I'll gladly give them.

...I mean, give scans of Ermes having used intangibility in combat to do anything remotely similar.

Because while my knowledge of her part is a little limited, I'm fairly sure she didn't.

And votes here assume she can.

Which she can't.

 

[Ionliosite]

Ermes having used Intangibily or not is irrelevant, I'm saying the forcefield won't even react to something not physical.

When Lisha lowered her gaze to the townscape of the holy capital, she saw some black objects were approaching while hiding at the cover of the buildings. A lump of liquidÔöÇÔöÇit seemed to be slime type Abyss. But, it was different from the type that Lisha had seen until now, worthy of the name of 『new type』. Its size wasn't something huge, a single one had the volume of about an adult male. 『Number is an ironclad rule in battle, but it's a maxim that is a bit insufficient to defeat you all who can overturn that. ÔöÇÔöÇThen, I'll teach you all, the tactic to crush that conceit that is drunk on strength and underestimate the enemy.』 "Hah, you said that you are going to expressly teach meÔöÇÔöÇdon't look down on us!" Lisha swung her Sword Device and controlled LegionÔöÇÔöÇbut, the moment it hit the black slime, she felt something out of place. "ÔöÇÔöÇ? This is!?" When the Legion that hit the slime returned to her, the black slime that she thought was crushed was clinging on it like glue. When she tried to wipe it away using Tiamat's armored arm, it also got stuck further on that hand. (...)It was fine like this, the movement would become somewhat dull, but it could continue battle without any trouble. Lisha thought that and flew away the Legion.

This was done by a slime, which has the single worst version of being non-physical, so a Stand, a TRULY non-physical entity, should bypass it without issue.

 

[Moritzva]

Except Stand interact with things physically anyways.

By your argument, Ermes wins via tapping him once and sawing off his head.

 

[Ionliosite]

Exactly, Ermes basically touches him and wins. That's part of the argument I gave.

 

[Moritzva]

So then Ermes wins and it isn't close.

Sensing it wouldn't be enough to avoid every blow perfectly so he dies.

But that's not how stands work.

 

[Ionliosite]

Eh, do I have to give you the fight where Lux beats a guy he can't see by just sensing him? Lux legit just dodges Kiss and one-shots Ermes.

 

[Moritzva]

It is vastly different from an enemy he just can't see, because by your definition, this enemy one-shots. By the time Lux knows he's fighting an invisible enemy and senses him, he's already dead. Not to mention, Ermes has more range with Kiss, so Lux can't get close.

But that's also not how Stands work, so no, Ermes can't one shot.

 

[Ionliosite]

Technically, none of them can one-shot. Lux will know he is fighting an invisible enemy the moment the battle begins because he has Extrasensory Perception, and Lux can, you know, dodge. Lux has dodged much harder things than a barrage of punches or stickers, and both have the same range so Lux mobility would give him an edge there.

A Slime can get pass the forcefield, a Stand can too.

 

[Moritzva]

Have you seen JoJo?


They're selectively intangible, at best.

 

[Ionliosite]

I have seen all parts (althought Part 7 onwards suck), and they being selective intangible have nothing to do with what I'm saying.

 

[Moritzva]

Except nobody selects them as intangible, especially not in combat.

 

[Ionliosite]

Again, that has nothing to do.