8-B Brackets Round 11

[Crimson_Azoth]

Nope

 

[DontTalkDT]

To 5. Damn i should have nominated Misaka Mikoto instead. She also has a 8-B key and I could have had her hold back to be 100 tons in all techniques.


So the dude has a 97 ton armor, that can't be worn down due to repeated hits, and 97 tons of durability on top of that. In other words what other profiles might call Multi-City Block level durability via magic. A stonewall essentially.

Am I the only one that questions the guy being in this bracket, given that the he has more stuff that is above 8-B in some way, than he has stuff that might be just 8-B?


That aside, to not stall the bracket without end I will leave the last word to earl. I vote Itsuwa for circumstancial victory due to what I argued. Just have people FRA whatever convinces them now.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Ouma - 2 (Fire, Litentric)

Itsuwa - 1 (DontTalk)

Discounting the previous three votes for Itsuwa as it was based on outdated information.

 

[Antoniofer]

At glare Ouma have the advantage: better range, superior stats plus stat amplifications, Itsuwa do not seems to have defenses against desoxygenation neither, and healing do not help against it. In the other hand, Illusion and Mental Manipulation could do something, but I do not known how those works.

 

[Malox1696]

SO is the barrier 8 a or not ?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

SO is the barrier 8 a or not ?

No. The barrier was pierced by a 8-B attack (but it reforms itself). So it's just a 96 ton barrier that regens.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

To 5. Damn i should have nominated Misaka Mikoto instead. She also has a 8-B key and I could have had her hold back to be 100 tons in all techniques.

So the dude has a 97 ton armor, that can't be worn down due to repeated hits, and 97 tons of durability on top of that. In other words what other profiles might call Multi-City Block level durability via magic. A stonewall essentially.

I agree with continuing with simply FRA's but just some clarifications.

5. Depends. Ouma has shown the ability to use 8-B magic in fights (even 8-B Kusanagi). Idk Misaka though can't comment.

Yes, it's regenerative armor. 97 durability yes. Durability doesn't scale like that IIRC. And nah he ain't a stonewall he has just as many offensive options as he has defensive ones.

About him having stuff above 8-B, we are restricting them. No one here (including me) is arguing, Ouma just snaps at her with Low 7-C AP and calls it a day. We are restricting all above 8-B attacks, and about the stat amp, i mean i just said "he goes from 97 tons to 100 tons" just to say that "he gets amped" i mean is 3 tons of Stat amp really the problem?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ouma - 2 (Fire, Litentric)
Itsuwa - 1 (DontTalk)

Discounting the previous three votes for Itsuwa as it was based on outdated information.

Do the ones who voted that Ouma stomps count?

 

[Malox1696]

so can his barrier be pierced ? if so it's not a stomp anymore

btw what about the blitz ?

 

[Zaratthustra]

Ouma FRA. Better ap, air shield and statistics amplification. My vote for him.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

so can his barrier be pierced ? if so it's not a stomp anymore
btw what about the blitz ?

By Itsuwa no.

Yeah the blitz still exists.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ouma FRA. Better ap, air shield and statistics amplification. My vote for him.

Ouma: 3

 

[Malox1696]

if she can't Pierce the barrier it's a stomp, to me it seems u don't understand what "fair" means, both character needs to be capable to hit each other

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That's 4 for Ouma then. (I don't really care about getting this added, i just believe this round has gone on for long enough, so i'll be adding stomp votes just cus it's just "they win", when this is over don't get this added).

5 if SirLancelot is still voting Ouma (stomp).

 

[Malox1696]

yes but next time pick good character for gauntlet or it becomes a boring rolf stomp

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean, i didn't know how high into 8-B Ouma was "until" i vouched for him. Besides he's just really high into 8-B, that's it.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Well then, let's disqualified Ouma from bracket.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Well then, let's disqualified Ouma from bracket.

Nah, he just has good AP and 1 forcefield. That's literally all the "hax" he has. As First Witch and someone else said, high AP doesn't disqualify someone.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Ouma - 3 (Fire, Litentric, Zara)

Itsuwa - 1 (DontTalk)

 

[Firephoenixearl]

For a brackets we don't need to disregard stomp votes do we?

 

[GyroNutz]

Does Ouma have the forcefield on by default?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Does Ouma have the forcefield on by default?

Yeah. He has it on 100% of the time, like ALL of the time.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I mean, if this is considered a stomp Ouma would proceed in the brackets unless it was through hax.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That's what im saying, there are like 3 people voting that Ouma stomps. (Lemme count: Malox, sirlancelot, pixelkirby)

 

[Wokistan]

His stuff still sounds more like it's 8-A to me.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

His stuff still sounds more like it's 8-A to me.

But it's...96.7 tons.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

But that's make every his match stomp on brackets because "lol AP" which is shit.

 

[Wokistan]

If it's that with the ability to take multiple attacks on that level unscathed, that's enough of a reason to just put it in 8-A.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

But that's make every his match stomp on brackets because "lol AP" which is shit.

Starscream is just as high as him, if anything Starscream is higher on AP.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

If it's that with the ability to take multiple attacks on that level unscathed, that's enough of a reason to just put it in 8-A.

Not exactly, that's not the idea behind his AP. He could clash swords with a base Ikki and stuff like Vaccum Slashes were overpowered by Ikki's Saigeki.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

But does that make Starscream 8-A? Nope. Meanwhile Ouma AP is likely justified it that he should be 8-A, therefore he should be out from bracket.

 

[Wokistan]

Then the attack that overpowered him can be 8-A too.

 

[GyroNutz]

Being 'much stronger' than someone very high into 8-B is 8-A.

 

[Wokistan]

From what I can tell ikki is getting this rating in the first place from.being a tenth as strong as he is later. The issue with this is that the feat he scales to later he I'd stronger than the person preforming by a meaningful amount. He doesn't really have a reason to be 8-B, from what I can tell, and should have the higher rating.

In any case the profiles should really be a lot less obtrusive with the scaling.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I feel like considering Rakudai is going through large revisions at the moment it wasn't the best idea to submit a character from it. I get Ouma isn't part of what I'm going through there but a lot of the verse needs cleaning up.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@Velox. The "likely 8-A" is dependant on how much stronger than Stella was Ikki. If he was equal to Stella he'd be 8-A, if he was far superior he'd be a higher end of 8-A or Low 7-C even. A 10th of that is what Ouma scales to.

Ouma is somewhat = to Ikki who is 1/10 as strong as his Ittou Shura form which is somewhat equal or higher than Stella's dragon Spirit (8-A).

It's impossible to decide whether Ikki is superior to Stella or not, that's why they have both tiers. If we assume Ikki to be equal, then Ouma is 8-B, if we assume Ikki to be superior then Ouma is 8-A. His 8-A justification isn't cus he may be stronger than a 8-B, is cus he may scale to a 8-A, but that's unsure.

@Wok

And with what proof would i apply that? A 8-B ikki uses a sword slash that overpowers Ouma's attack. Ouma has no tier, Ikki is 8-B, likely 8-A, i cannot put him at 8-A if he scales to a 10th of a 8-A feat. There is no reason for me to put it at 8-A as it's Ouma that scales to Ikki and not the other way around.

@Gyro

He is much stronger through stuff like FP Kusanagi (which has a separate tier). His barrier was pierced by a 8-B Ikki, and he cought Ikki's blade, he wasn't completely unscathed from it. So there is no definite proof that he is just ungodly superior to Ikki.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

To be entirely fair, piercing damage yoinking stuff in higher tiers is nothing new.

 

[Wokistan]

Ikki shouldn't even have an 8-B end. The key he is a tenth as strong as was said to one shot the character with 967 tons. Just for that the base should be 8-A as well.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

From what I can tell ikki is getting this rating in the first place from.being a tenth as strong as he is later. The issue with this is that the feat he scales to later he I'd stronger than the person preforming by a meaningful amount. He doesn't really have a reason to be 8-B, from what I can tell, and should have the higher rating.
In any case the profiles should really be a lot less obtrusive with the scaling.

Well not only did Ikki perform this feat in the heat of the moment right after reaching a desperado awakening (when his fight with ouma was before he did so), but he used his absolutely strongest technique against a non-peak condition Stella. She had tanked her own 8-A hits for a while before the last clash.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

But yeah i do have to fix some stuff to people's profiles. Example putting Ittou Raisetsu Ikki at a 7-C tier. But the 8-B tier will stay. Ouma doesn't have this problem though as his last fight is before Ikki's last fight with stella.