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(8-5-0) Kamen Rider Zero-One VS Issei Hyoudo. (Battle for the 10th strongest non-smurf 7-A)
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I mean it's already obvious why i voted 01, what Nice and Magi said are enough to make vote for him
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He have to know that he need to tp out first. And unless he can divide his fist or anything Z1 attack post transformation will hit him with deconstruct.
Does Issei have a way to know that his enemy have an ability to one-shot him? Don't think so.
Not enough through RPL + 6x ap amp.
And you are underestimating a guy that have to constantly goes up against people 10~50x stronger than him all the while having better precog too, via his own skill.
Combined that with, again, Instinctive TPs, precog , massively slow down perception, RPL and his own speed amp would allowed him to just dodge through everything.
You wanna talk about growing in a short amount? Try going over 50x stat gap on a few seconds and we call that slow.
That's all? Baseline speed amp Zero-One can utterly blitz people who have massively enhanced perception, blitzing Sub-Relatevistic+ while starting out at Sub Sonic speed. Better form have better speed amp, and mid-layer precog has bodies speed amp at the same tier as Metal Cluster Hopper, without the need for the perception amp.
Simply put, Issei aren't hitting him.
His move is beyond telegraph and simply too flashy not to dodge.
While Z1 in his MCH need to land a single attack against someone far less skilled than he is, without precog.
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I mean basically everyone in HS DXD has the ability to sense energy output.
It literally is.
The moment he activates that ANY amp, or goes through RPL, Divide can steal half of it with a SINGLE use. I don't understand why you keep arguing this.
Boost and Divide can immediately bridge a 50x gap. Easily within a few seconds. Hell, once again, even after a 50x amp ONE Divide would make Issei stronger than his opponent.
His evasion skills can only work for so long against an opponent who one-shots him with every attack and uses AoE energy beams.
Btw Boost and Divide can also affect speed to an unquantifiable, but great degree. So it's not even like he'll have much of a speed advantage either way.
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Just to point out speaking of passive, Aruto/01 also had a passive too in Shining Assault Hopper Form, it's like a funnel-combat system that can act at it's own
Not gonna do much tbh but that's something
Not gonna do much tbh but that's something
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Issei would buff and debuff(steal) it and add to his own but aruto RPL would jump past it again even tho it was just stolen (even with the buffs/debuffs on him)we also seen his stats&tech get copied(from an enemy pretty everything stack on his own stats) but the fight was stopped way later beats him with weaker form. we are shown "weaker" humagears (aka z1 tech) can take hits(didnt turn into paste ) dehenshin 2-c rider cause of "skillz" it was them fighting each other for first time btw when push come to shove ,an infinite amount funnel-combat system thats scales with him. MCH can make Limited Duplication that cant be stopped as a swam of nanomachines . Energy Reflection ,hopper blade self-replication program so have fun with more bugs if u tried to get rid of them. can also summon the animal helpers just from scanning Progrise Keys
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What about Zero-One's other abilities he can use? What's stopping Zero-One from encasing him in ice and if the MCH item is available, deconstructing him in a sea of nanobots that can deconstruct people down to molecules.
Also, a thing I'm not seeing here is Zero-One's clone dodging which adds to the already op TP.
Also, a thing I'm not seeing here is Zero-One's clone dodging which adds to the already op TP.
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Bump!!
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The thing that stops him is the fact that he gets one-shot by anything Issei does.
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Those same hax I mention can one shot Issei if he doesn’t have counters and Zero-One can effectively fight someone 50x his AP and tens of times his processing speed. Coupled by the fact that Zero-One gets better at fighting his opponent the longer time goes on via a supercomputer actively learning and thinking of ways to counter the opponent. AP stomp is not enough to win here
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Having an AP advantage wouldn’t really do much here considering how Aruto once fought someone 50x stronger than him and defeated him casually. And I don’t really see how Aruto’s getting hit from a mixture of TP, precog, AI analysis, phasing and instinctive reactions.
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Forgot to point out but Aruto could still use the Attaché Calibur with the MCH Key. Even if the damage is not existing, the Cluster Cells will eat Issei’s body inside out and on the surface down to the molecular level. Combined with the fact that Aruto’s has several layers of dodging everything Issei has, nothing really stopping him from deconstructing Issei down to nothing.
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Impossible by the fact that Issei is never hitting through all of the above plus speed amp, plus perception amp, plus his RPL also amp his own precog even further so yes even Issei constant amp in speed is accounted into the longer the fight goes on.
And the concept of "long enough to RPL" is a punch being dodge at a low baseline.
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Other than that, is there anyone else willing to cast their vote?
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I’ll wait a bit more to see for any arguments in favor of Issei
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Bump
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Bump
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I’ll go Aruto FRA
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Bump
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I'll considered YungManzi And Jeodood as a vote in each character's favor as well
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I don't understand why anyone keeps saying RPL! Issei can instantly amp past it no matter what to a degree that lets him one shot.
He constantly fights battles where he has to keep amping up his speed and power to match and exceed the opponent. Also against people like Vali he can keep increasing speed to faster than he was before even after being divided.
Issei can also hit him via AoE attacks and TP.
Issei has speed amps that can let him blitz people who are blitzing him, and then continue to get faster even if they also become faster.
He constantly fights battles where he has to keep amping up his speed and power to match and exceed the opponent. Also against people like Vali he can keep increasing speed to faster than he was before even after being divided.
Issei can also hit him via AoE attacks and TP.
Do they have the durability to survive Issei unleashing any attack? Plus, Issei's body is covered in a thick coat of armor that heals itself. It isn't on the molecular level but should still be enough to prevent most damage.
He can just break out of the ice? Wdym? Issei is covered in armor, ice isn't going to kill him instantly.
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Okay....here we go
Aruto's TP has actually shown to be able to go through enemy attacks. So he could simply TP through it or TP away. He has a lot of time to think his tactics through given how much time his perception manip is capable of giving him.
Sorry for the really long responses, we go through his every single time anyone from Z1 fights. It's the reason why I hate debating with Aruto.
Okay, the reason why we constantly keep up RPL is because in Z1, characters are capabale of instantly reaching a stronger character’s power level instantly. Take in for example the Dodo Magia ,literally the weakest character in the series. During his first fight against Shining Hopper, he was getting speed blitz while also being overwhelmed by his TP. Despite that, the Dodo Magia’s RPL made it so that he could keep up with it with little to no problems in a matter of seconds. This is later shown later on in the series when Aruto fought Thouser, someone who’s at least 50x Than him and casually kept up with the even faster Shining Assault Hopper. Despite having the massive statistic advantage, enough to blitz several times over and one shot via a breath, Aruto’s RPL kicked in as soon as the fight started and allowed him to casually defeat Thouser.
And then there’s the actually scaling chain of the RPL, which is something that I hate talking about cause it just takes so long. In Z1, characters gain RPL through ‘Learning’ by using their AIs or raw skill. The Dodo Magia’s RPL comes from his AI being able to learn 4 predictions per second. By the time Aruto defeated Thouser, his raw intelligence slowed him to learn over 40 millions predictions per second. And remember, the Dodo Magia was able to match being overwhelmed by SH in a matter of seconds, and Aruto’s RPL scales over 10 million times that.
So now we have an actual number, so what does it mean to have RPL 10 million times your opponent? See, during the fight between SAH and Thouser, Thouser's AI could learn around 10 million predictions per second, which 4x more than the Shining Arithmetic 250K. Despite such a small amount, Thouser completely
destroyed SAH, not only making his precog but also his RPL mute. So that's where Aruto is sitting here. Having 40 million times better RPL than the Dodo Magia, with a difference of 4x being enough to completely cancel out another person's RPL
So now we have an actual number, so what does it mean to have RPL 10 million times your opponent? See, during the fight between SAH and Thouser, Thouser's AI could learn around 10 million predictions per second, which 4x more than the Shining Arithmetic 250K. Despite such a small amount, Thouser completely
destroyed SAH, not only making his precog but also his RPL mute. So that's where Aruto is sitting here. Having 40 million times better RPL than the Dodo Magia, with a difference of 4x being enough to completely cancel out another person's RPL
As the others have pointed out, Aruto's RPL would allow him to keep up with Issei boosting him speed. Both Aruto and Issei have the power to constantly match and exceed each other's speed through Boost (Issei) and "Learning" (Aruto). the other difference between them is the fact that Aruto has several hundred layered Precognition, could slow down his perception of time down to a complete halt, TP, and instinctive reactions.
Aruto's TP has actually shown to be able to go through enemy attacks. So he could simply TP through it or TP away. He has a lot of time to think his tactics through given how much time his perception manip is capable of giving him.
Thouser had actually tried to overpower the Cluster Cells just for him to be overwhelmed. Their potency and durability actually increases in power in tandem with Aruto's RPL. So yes, the Cluster Cells would be able to survive Issei's attacks. Also there's like, millions of them and they're all the size of molecules, so good luck even trying to hit every single one. As for Issei's self healing armor, his profile doesn't even show how strong the regen is, so like, yeah. Aruto has also fought against Eden, someone who actually had a regenerating Armor which came back from a damn near atomization. Aruto would then use the Cluster Cells to be the counter to Eden's regeneration despite the fact that Aruto has far stronger forms by them. Also also, Aruto doesn't actually need to take away Issei's armor, just get underneath them to attack Issei's fleshy body and kill him from the inside out.
Sorry for the really long responses, we go through his every single time anyone from Z1 fights. It's the reason why I hate debating with Aruto.
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In short: you can take that Z1 Riders RPL in general are low-key passive
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Grace start
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Hey uh, wrong thread
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Considering how Issei is constantly reducing Zero-One stats and using them to buff himself then no matter what he will always be in the stat disadvantage, no matter how much one want to wank the RPL, so Issei FRA.
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What was Issei's answer to the metal cluster cells swarms around Aruto?
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The only answer I given was Issei could launch an attack at the swarm and his armor could regenerate
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Issei FRA.
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Tf even is that
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An AoE that can destroy things on the molecular level
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So we havent discussed this point? It is the swarm of metal locust surronding Zero-One and deconstructing everything go against him.
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I'm new to this match, I'm only privy to basic points.
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