7-C+ Tournament Round 1, Match 8 (Redone): Ururu Tsumugiya vs Stoneheart

[RandomGuy2345]

The 8th and final matchup in the first round of the 7-C+ tournament will hopefully be concluded here!

Stoneheart (@Gilad_Hyperstar) vs Ururu Tsumugiya (@Imaginym)

Speed is equalized.

Fight takes place in the Sports Festival Stadium.

Stoneheart: 11 (Coolboy6, Psychomaster35, AnonymousBlank, Popted2, MidnightDawn1, FluffyCreatureZ, Armorchompy, RazumaHiroki, Gilad_Hyperstar, Imaginym, Sero, J.J._Chambers)

Ururu:

 

[Psychomaster35]

Those were some... events for sure.

What does either lead with?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I'm assuming Ururu uses that cannon, which gives her some range.

Stoneheart gets stronger and bigger with every physical hit, so playing the range game would probably be best for Ururu.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I'm assuming Ururu uses that cannon, which gives her some range.

Stoneheart gets stronger and bigger with every physical hit, so playing the range game would probably be best for Ururu.

Stoneheart was able to get stronger after guns fired at him too, so it's not just physical damage.

She also wouldn't know he can grow bigger and stronger each time she hits him at first

 

[Imaginym]

Before getting the approval from @RandomGuy2345 about Ururu's inclusion, I had to confirm her AP. I looked into it & posted about it.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/7-c-tournament.127779/post-4313373

Here's what I found:

RandomGuy2345: What's her AP? If the AP is fine, then she can be used.

Ururu Tsumugiya:
Attack Potency: Town level (Easily overpowered Base Yylfordt)
Yylfordt:
Attack Potency: Town level (Defeated 20% Bankai Renji easily), higher with Resurrección (Lethally injured Ururu, who had been previously been easily overpowering him)
Renji:
Attack Potency: Town level+ (Much greater reiatsu than Ikkaku according to Ganju Shiba), higher with Bankai (Somewhat pressured a Shikai using Byakuya and got him onto his knee, though it should be noted that he was no match once Byakuya got fully serious)
Ikkaku:
Attack Potency: Town level+ (Should be the same as his durability, given how reiatsu works), higher with Bankai (Started releasing far more powerful reiatsu than in Shikai and it only kept on increasing as noted by Edrad Liones)
Durability: Town level+ (Blocked this attack in Shikai and then went on to release his Bankai and continue fighting)
Calc! Calc Yield?
61.698017404004502851 Kilotons of TNT

....Unfortunately, the Calc is Unevaluated, so use with caution.
Anyway, assuming the Calc is Valid (IIRC, there was some thing some time ago back where blog posts got deleted for some reason, & I'd be surprised if a HST 'Verse's big-scaling-chain-important Calc wasn't evaluated at SOME point in nearly 4 years (It was published on January 18th, 2018.).)

So.... Ururu scales to overpowering a Town Level (Yylfordt) who easily defeated a different Town Level that had 20% Bankai (20% Bankai Renji). Since Renji is "higher with Bankai", & he had 20%, that probably means him defeating like that also makes the scaling to Ikkaku part of his justification relevant, just that Renji was 20% stronger than that. Ikkaku is the one who casually did the 61.698 kiloton durability feat.

61.698 kilotons<Casual Ikkaku<Renji is much greater than Ikkaku<Since with Bankai has a separate section in that key for his AP, 20% Bankai Renji is probably 20% greater than him without it, & thus, even higher<Casual Yylfordt<Ururu easily defeated Yylfordt.

Depending on the one-shot range for the verse, she could be very high above the 61.698 kiloton scaling point or not much higher. If it's like, only need 10% stronger to one-shot, she might not break 100; Keep in mind that 7.5x is only for determining how much to one-shot OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN A VERSUS THREAD, & isn't relevant at all for what the one-shot range within a 'verse is.

That help?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Stoneheart will become stronger and stronger with each time he's hit, so the AP values don't matter much

Does Ururu have abilities that aren't related to AP against him?

 

[Imaginym]

Stoneheart will become stronger and stronger with each time he's hit, so the AP values don't matter much

Does Ururu have abilities that aren't related to AP against him?

How do we know she isn't strong enough to deal debilitating damage to him with the first few hits?
Plus, how much stronger does Stoneheart become per amp?

Other abilities:

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Skilled Hand-to-Hand Combatant, Pseudo-flight, Spiritual Awareness (Can see invisible spirits and objects), Extrasensory Perception (Can sense beings with Reiatsu), Non-Physical Interaction (Can harm and interact with intangible spirits and objects), Resistance to Soul Manipulation

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

How do we know she isn't strong enough to deal debilitating damage to him with the first few hits?

Because he resist conventional hits and grows stronger instead

Plus, how much stronger does Stoneheart become per amp?

He jumped from 8-A to 7-C with a single amp, but there's nothing concrete otherwise.

Other abilities:

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Skilled Hand-to-Hand Combatant, Pseudo-flight, Spiritual Awareness (Can see invisible spirits and objects), Extrasensory Perception (Can sense beings with Reiatsu), Non-Physical Interaction (Can harm and interact with intangible spirits and objects), Resistance to Soul Manipulation

So she might be able to damage him with some her abilities, but normal hits wouldn't really work and will instead buff him

 

[Imaginym]

Because he resist conventional hits and grows stronger instead

He jumped from 8-A to 7-C with a single amp, but there's nothing concrete otherwise.

8-A to 7-C?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

8-A to 7-C?

Yeah based on feats. But we can't assume subsequent amps will boost him by that amount without concrete proof of such increase being the case

 

[Imaginym]

Yeah based on feats. But we can't assume subsequent amps will boost him by that amount without concrete proof of such increase being the case

Which feats, though? & do we have a metric or estimate for how much subsequent boosts will be?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Which feats, though? & do we have a metric or estimate for how much subsequent boosts will be?

The 8-A and 7-C feats are literally on the profiles. But here's the 7-C feat

That said there's no metric to measure subsequent boosts as far as I know

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bump

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bump?

 

[Coolboy6]

Voting stoneheart cuz he can amp himself anytime he gets hit

 

[RandomGuy2345]

So how can you defeat Stoneheart, since he gets stronger with every hit?

 

[Coolboy6]

So how can you defeat Stoneheart, since he gets stronger with every hit?

If you can destroy the purple rock located in his right hand. The problem is that it is always closed.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

If you can destroy the purple rock located in his right hand. The problem is that it is always closed.

I feel like characters with very large attacks can do that.

 

[Coolboy6]

I feel like characters with very large attacks can do that.

How would it get destroyed if it’s hidden in his right hand tho?

 

[Psychomaster35]

How would it get destroyed if it’s hidden in his right hand tho?

Probably through AoE attacks where they can destroy it by aiming for the entire body without knowing it was there.

Though, his opponent doesn’t have anything AoE so...

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Probably through AoE attacks where they can destroy it by aiming for the entire body without knowing it was there.

Though, his opponent doesn’t have anything AoE so...

Yeah, Ururu seems to be at a disadvantage here.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

They would need to know where to Hit him though, but if that AoE attack will destroy the stone in his hand, he might have a chance to do it

However, it is also very possible that Stoneheart will simply get too many amps and will be too big and strong to be defeated anymore

 

[RandomGuy2345]

And I don't think that Ururu has the AOE to cover Stoneheart's entire body in order to destroy that rock.

Plus, you don't necessarily need to know about the rock. One attack that's large enough to cover the entire body will certainly be able to destroy the rock without the person noticing.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

And I don't think that Ururu has the AOE to cover Stoneheart's entire body in order to destroy that rock.

Plus, you don't necessarily need to know about the rock. One attack that's large enough to cover the entire body will certainly be able to destroy the rock without the person noticing.

Sure, but the attack can't one shot Stoneheart, so the rock will not be destroyed that easily since his hands protects it

Also, how would she know to use AoE? Does she usually start with that? Not to mention I'm pretty sure that AoE or not he'd still get amped. The thing is if it could also destroy the rock inside of him

 

[Imaginym]

Couldn't a cannon/rocket explosion be large enough to hit what's in his hand?
Also, she scales very high above her scaling point, AFAIK. How do we know she couldn't destroy his fingers that cover the paper? Becoming more durable doesn't mean healing damage inflicted, right?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Couldn't a cannon/rocket explosion be large enough to hit what's in his hand?

The rock is protected by his hand, so the damage will probably not be able to destroy the rock that easily. Especially since he'd just absorb the damage to become stronger and bigger

 

[Imaginym]

The rock is protected by his hand, so the damage will probably not be able to destroy the rock that easily. Especially since he'd just absorb the damage to become stronger and bigger

What's his scaling to his scaling point?
That, I assume? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Monkey_Dunno/Miraculous’_Calcs:_Peaceful_Place#Volpina_stops_a_meteor_.28Volpina._Season_1.29

AFAIK about Ururu's scaling:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Soldier_Blue/Bleach_-_Ikkaku_tanks_shit
61.698 kilotons<Casual Ikkaku<Renji is much greater than Ikkaku<Since with Bankai has a separate section in that key for his AP, 20% Bankai Renji is probably 20% greater than him without it, & thus, even higher<Casual Yylfordt<Ururu easily defeated Yylfordt.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

61.698 kilotons<Casual Ikkaku<Renji is much greater than Ikkaku<Since with Bankai has a separate section in that key for his AP, 20% Bankai Renji is probably 20% greater than him without it, & thus, even higher<Casual Yylfordt<Ururu easily defeated Yylfordt.

Can you remove the bold + underline? It makes it harder to read

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

What's his scaling to his scaling point?
That, I assume? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Monkey_Dunno/Miraculous’_Calcs:_Peaceful_Place#Volpina_stops_a_meteor_.28Volpina._Season_1.29

Yes, and that too

 

[Imaginym]

Can you remove the bold + underline? It makes it harder to read

Done.
So:

Stoneheart, the 1st Akumatized Villain Ladybug & Cat Noir canonically fought scales to:
somewhere around 1.5523408e+14 joules, 37101.8355640535374 tons of tnt (37.1018356 kilotons of TNT)
OR
somewhere around 1.7032305e+14 joules, 40708.1859464627123 tons of tnt (40.7081859 kilotonnes of TNT)

& Ururu's scaling chain as I understand it, is:
61.698 kilotons<Casual Ikkaku<Renji is much greater than Ikkaku<Since with Bankai has a separate section in that key for his AP, 20% Bankai Renji is probably 20% greater than him without it, & thus, even higher<Casual Yylfordt<Ururu easily defeated Yylfordt.

Meaning she probably ends up at close to double his scaling point from her scaling chain to begin with, & fights primarily with an explosive weapon. How do we know she couldn't make his hand at least crack or break, even on the first hit?
(Not to mention, potentially shockwaves or such from an explosion hitting him hitting the rock.)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Because even when Stoneheart was 8-A, an attack from 7-C Cat Noir didn't even cracked him, so how would she be able to do it with physical attacks if Cat Noir could not with much bigger difference in power?

 

[Imaginym]

Because even when Stoneheart was 8-A, an attack from 7-C Cat Noir didn't even cracked him, so how would she be able to do it with physical attacks if Cat Noir could not with much bigger difference in power?

Stoneheart's Durability, as we list it.
Durability: Wall level (Comparable to Marinette, who survived a door-busting kick unharmed) | At least Multi-City Block level, possibly Town level. His capability to grow stronger from each hit and Akuma duplication makes him hard to permanently take down

His AP says:

Attack Potency: Wall level (Should be comparable to Adrien) | At least Multi-City Block level (Destroyed a great chunk of the Montparnasse Tower. Held back multiple helicopters with a single roar), Possibly Town level (While weaker, he should be roughly comparable to the Mime) | Town level (Fought Cat Noir) higher with more amps (Anytime someone attempts to hit him physically, he grows larger and stronger than before).

If I'm not mistaken, we're citing this for his MCB rating:

Miraculous’ Calcs: The Wall (level) Between Us

vsbattles.fandom.com

1.0010169e+12 joules, 239.2487810707457 tons of TNT or Multi-City Block level

40.7081859 kilotonnes of TNT / 239.2487810707457 tons of TNT = 170.150024

Thus, the gap between Stoneheart's MCB Scaling point (239.2487810707457 tons of TNT) & the higher of his 2 scaling points seems to be about 170.1500424x. The lower of the 2 is around 37.1x.

Meaning either Stoneheart SOMEHOW took an attack roughly 170 or more times stronger than his Durability at the time with no notable damage (& if I understand right, this is BEFORE his amps put him into Town Level.) or there's something up with his durability.

& either way, his opponent scales above a higher Town Level scaling point than Stoneheart's scaling points before we take into account her scaling chain.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

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He is very resistant to physical damage, as instead of getting damaged he'll instead grow bigger and stronger with each hit. That is how he's able to survive the attack from Cat Noir, since he isn't damaged by conventional attacks

& either way, his opponent scales above a higher Town Level scaling point than Stoneheart's scaling points before we take into account her scaling chain.

The scaling chain will not make her higher than even 3 times Stoneheart's AP, otherwise she would be High 7-C and will be disqualified

 

[Imaginym]

He is very resistant to physical damage, as instead of getting damaged he'll instead grow bigger and stronger with each hit. That is how he's able to survive the attack from Cat Noir, since he isn't damaged by conventional attacks

So he's invulnerable to attacks, even those hundreds of times stronger than his current Durability.... Yet his ability amps Durability anyway?

 

[Coolboy6]

Honestly, Stoneheart’s durability should be Unknown if he grows larger and gets stronger anytime he gets hit.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So he's invulnerable to attacks, even those hundreds of times stronger than his current Durability.... Yet his ability amps Durability anyway?

His durability might need to be swapped to invulnerability given how his ability works but idk

 

[Imaginym]

I should probably seek out scans of Ururu's fights to see if her weapon explosions have sufficient AoE.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bump

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I should probably seek out scans of Ururu's fights to see if her weapon explosions have sufficient AoE.

Found any scans yet?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I should probably seek out scans of Ururu's fights to see if her weapon explosions have sufficient AoE.

Found any scans yet?

Not gonna respond?