7-A Team Bracket Match 1 (Elisa Celjska & Mami Tomoe vs Machamp & Metagross)

[DontTalkDT]

Elisa Celjska & Mami Tomoe vs Machamp & Metagross

7-A versions

Tart Magica Elisa and 1st Key Mami.

Speed Equal

SBA otherwise

Votes:

• Magic Girls: 0
• Pokémon: 0

Hub, Tree

 

[XDragnoir]

Which side has more AP? Also, is there a way to know the 1st move of a pokemon?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Magical Girls apparently scale to "around 500 Megatons" (according to Beast Zero Gudako).

Metagross scales to 790 Megatons. No idea what Machamp scales to, tbh. At least 500 megatons, though, given the +. So Pokémon is stronger.


Don't think there is a way to tell a pkmns usual starting move.

 

[XDragnoir]

Heh, i don't know too much about either side, but i think Madoka side has the advantage here.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Madoka side are both glass canons, just to point that out.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Just wanna point it out that since both Mami and Elisa are mostly range fighters, so they started by shooting their opponents from a far. Elisa shots laser from her gun while Mami will rains down hundreds of 500 megatons bullets.

They were not pushover when it come to CQC, especialy Mami since her powers are very versatile.

Not voting yet. Waiting for the pokemon sides.

 

[00potato]

Considering the amps that they have, and the fact that Metagross is pretty much a supercomputer, they should close the gap quickly and they probably have an advantage in CQC for reasons I will get into below.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Status effect Inducement exists in PMMM and every Magical Girl resists those, one of them involving powernull. They also have their own stats amps as well.

Both Mami and Elisa prefers not to engage their opponents head on, so Mami will pulls out her ribbon traps and nulling their powers as well. The ribbon has High 7-A to 6-C dura, so unlikely both of them can break out from it.

 

[Dusty_Raider]

Both Mami and Elisa prefers not to engage their opponents head on, so Mami will pulls out her ribbon traps and nulling their powers as well. The ribbon has High 7-A to 6-C dura, so unlikely both of them can break out from it.

High 7-A to 6-C? Wouldn't that fall under being a stonewall?

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Except Mami had to activate it first, and besides, Mami herself only has 7-C Dura.

 

[Dusty_Raider]

Machamp should be able to counter traps via Trap Avoider and trap seer

Also Metagross has Extraordinary Genius levels of intelligence. He could easily out smart the duo as well.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Machamp should be able to counter traps via Trap Avoider and trap seer
Also Metagross has Extraordinary Genius levels of intelligence. He could easily out smart the duo as well.

Unless Trap Avoider allows him to avoid something that is undetected by someone who has Interdimensional Extrasensory Perception, I would say the ribbon works just fine.

Intelligence can only do so much when you have no counter to certain abilities.

 

[Dusty_Raider]

From what I see their extrasensory perception only applies to finding witch locations.

 

[Dusty_Raider]

Let's not forget once the Pokémon get in range, Metagross will probably use an attack like psychic to one shot them thanks to their low durability.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

From what I see their extrasensory perception only applies to finding witch locations.

No, it can detects other Magical and other Supernatural phenomenon as well. It doesn't limited just to finding Witches.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Let's not forget once the Pokémon get in range, Metagross will probably use an attack like psychic to one shot them thanks to their low durability.

What kind of psychic attack we're talking about?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Psychic: A powerful telekinetic attack that can throw an opponent into various obstacles and hazards or fling other objects as projectiles. This attack can potentially lower the target's resistance to further ranged assaults.

 

[00potato]

Ok, so Aglity should allow Metagross to close the distance and avoid attacks.

Wide Guard will protect Machamp from attacks as he approaches.

Once they get into CQC. Machamp kinda skill stomps (he has mastered every martial art around.) and they are glass cannons, meaning that they get one shot. Metagross also has plenty of range to make the one shot happen sooner.

The ribbons aren't a big deal. They are close to High 7-A anyway and they can amp to break through or dodge.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Ok, so Aglity should allow Metagross to close the distance and avoid attacks.
Wide Guard will protect Machamp from attacks as he approaches.

Once they get into CQC. Machamp kinda skill stomps (he has mastered every martial art around.) and they are glass cannons, meaning that they get one shot. Metagross also has plenty of range to make the one shot happen sooner.

The ribbons aren't a big deal. They are close to High 7-A anyway and they can amp to break through or dodge.

That assuming if he can sense the ribbons, which he can't when someone who has better sensory cannot sense them.

If this guard is like forcefield, then It's useless when Mami attacks bypassed defensive power like that.

They won't when Mami and Elisa are mostly range fighters, so they would keep their distance from them. Machamps got ribbon traps too before he could even noticed.

It is big deal when it restaints a 6-C creature bigger than skyscraper

Btw, said creature has Class K lifting strenght and Mami restrained her.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Psychic: A powerful telekinetic attack that can throw an opponent into various obstacles and hazards or fling other objects as projectiles. This attack can potentially lower the target's resistance to further ranged assaults.

Telekinetic won't be a problem since Mami can just attached ribbons to herself and Elisa and achored it to the around so they don't get flung around by it.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Let's not forget once the Pokémon get in range

Metagross has tens of kilometers of range (for some reason), so they start in its range.

 

[Dusty_Raider]

<div class="quote" Telekinetic won't be a problem since Mami can just attached ribbons to herself and Elisa and achored it to the around so they don't get flung around by it.

How would Mami know to do this before Metagross oneshots her? She has idea what Metagross can do. Meta can use psychic to fling projectiles

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Because that what she did when facing against something that has telekinesis, which pretty much every Witches in her series.

Mami also has attacks reflections to counter of the projectiles and Shield too, which can be activate by thought.

 

[Dusty_Raider]

Yes but she's never encountered metagross before. He looks nothing like a witch but looks more like a monster. What reason would she have to think "that metal spider has psychic powers."

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Dude.

Witches in PMMM are nothing like those common witches from Fairy tale. What does appearance has anything to do with this?

What matter is that Mami has faced something with Telekinetic ability on daily basis, of course she knows how to deal with them.

 

[Dusty_Raider]

I think you misunderstood my point. I'm saying that Metagross wouldn't look like a witch or creature she dealt with before meaning she may assume its abilities are different from what she usually deals with. What reason would she have assume Metagross has similar abilities?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Telekinetic won't be a problem since Mami can just attached ribbons to herself and Elisa and achored it to the around so they don't get flung around by it.

Because that what she did when facing against something that has telekinesis, which pretty much every Witches in her series.

I have seen enough of PMMM to know she doesn't anchor herself with ribbons at every witch fight. She does move around.

...would anchoring even work? Wouldn't that just get her pushed herself against her own ribbons, still taking the damage from the pressure?

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

@Dusty Because the moment she was lifted against her will, that is enough sign for her to deduce her opponent has some sort of telekinetic power.

@DT It was from one of the spin-off Manga. I recall she did it even against non telekinetic user like Kyoko.

There was no instance that her ribbons are harmful to her in anyway. Even when she can make the ribbon to be as thin as a single thread just like in Different Story Spin-off.

Besides, the ribbons are mostly either for the means of defending herself or capturing her opponent or disarming them.

 

[Dusty_Raider]

How fast can she set them up? Because the moment she makes contact with something after being thrown she gets gets oneshot. The ribbons are still physical things she can be thrown into so she should still get crushed against them when meta uses psychic unless she has a special resistance or immunity to her own stuff

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Within dire situation, she can set them up by a thought. The same goes for the ribbon shield.

The ribbons will not harm her in anyway. There was an instance when she made her ribbon to be as thin as possibly and it didn't cut her body when it was used against her.

Also, Mami wouldn't just stand there and let Gross do as he please. She will spawned some undetected ribbons and wrapped him to null his physical power.

 

[00potato]

That wouldn't stop his psychic attacks though, and those one shot.

 

[Dusty_Raider]

Good thing all he needs to do is crush her against her ribbons which he doesn't need physically strength to do. If she can't be cut by it she can still get crushed against it.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

@Potato Dusty said his physic is a form of telekinesis to flung his opponent and some stuff as projectiles. I already elaborated it above how Mami will deal with that.

@Dusty

1) Mami has dealed with a Class K telekinesis user before. Class 100 is a walk in the park for her.

 

[DontTalkDT]

@DT It was from one of the spin-off Manga. I recall she did it even against non telekinetic user like Kyoko.

Doing it once and doing it always is pretty different, though.

 

[00potato]

@Potato Dusty said his physic is a form of telekinesis to flung his opponent and some stuff as projectiles. I already elaborated it above how Mami will deal with that.

@Dusty

1) Mami has dealed with a Class K telekinesis user before. Class 100 is a walk in the park for her.

He can throw her too, how does she avoid that?

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

@DT It was from one of the spin-off Manga. I recall she did it even against non telekinetic user like Kyoko.

Doing it once and doing it always is pretty different, though.

It depends on the situations. Mami is not the kind of person who let someone flung her around tho.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

@Potato Dusty said his physic is a form of telekinesis to flung his opponent and some stuff as projectiles. I already elaborated it above how Mami will deal with that.

@Dusty

1) Mami has dealed with a Class K telekinesis user before. Class 100 is a walk in the park for her.

He can throw her too, how does she avoid that?

Avoid: Probably No. Unless the physic has some travel time.

Defending herself with her ribbons: Yes.

Disabling his power with her ribbons: Yes too.

 

[00potato]

Ok, so they just die when they get into psychic range.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Ok, so they just die when they get into psychic range.

Elaborate it.

You keeps telling psychic kills them, but doesn't explain how.

 

[00potato]

They are glass cannons and psychic would work on them, not just objects spread out along the environment.