7-A Battle: Post Time-Skip Luffy Vs. Star and Stripe

[BuilderROB]

I got excited seeing an MHA character finally broke the 7 tier, so I decided to do this matchup (6-C didn’t work out so I changed to 7-A).

So yeah, I’m doing Luffy Vs. Star and Stripe. We’re using Star and Stripe’s 7-A key and Luffy’s beginning of time skip 7-A (the first one), mostly so I don’t get spoiled since I’m finishing up Zou and haven’t started whole cake island yet. Speed is equalized, and both are in character and don’t know each other’s abilities. Star and Stripe will have access to the intercontinental missiles, and Luffy’s gears are restricted, so he’s stuck in base form.

The battle takes place in, uh, the Dressrosa castle I guess, in the state it was during Doflamingo Vs. Luffy.

Luffy:

Star and Stripe: 1

Inconclusive:

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Star is 6-C with missiles that are not even hers

 

[BuilderROB]

Star is 6-C with missiles that are not even hers

So? I literally said in the OP title that she has them in this matchup. It’s an official key, so I don’t see the issue here.

 

[DaReaperMan]

So? I literally said in the OP title that she has them in this matchup. It’s an official key, so I don’t see the issue here.

They're also nowhere near enough to win her shit and they take time to get around to coming. Luffy has like 50 chances to one-shot her with a vast skill and AP advantage.

 

[BuilderROB]

They're also nowhere near enough to win her shit and they take time to get around to coming. Luffy has like 50 chances to one-shot her with a vast skill and AP advantage.

Welp, should’ve known this wasn’t gonna work.

I’ll just change Star and Stripe’s key to 7-A and Luffy’s to his first 7-A (not his high 7-A one).

 

[DaReaperMan]

Welp, should’ve known this wasn’t gonna work.

I’ll just change Star and Stripe’s key to 7-A and Luffy’s to his first 7-A (not his high 7-A one).

Luffy still has a skill stomp worthy skill advantage and can hop tiers unless his higher gears are restricted

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I mean, Star can simply delete the air from existence and then end

 

[BuilderROB]

Luffy still has a skill stomp worthy skill advantage and can hop tiers unless his higher gears are restricted

I’ll restrict to base then, since that’s the only form that stays in 7-A.

 

[BuilderROB]

I mean, Star can simply delete the air from existence and then end

Hasn’t he dealt with an opponent who could do that though? I wouldn’t say it’s an automatic end if she does that, unless the space in which she does it is too large for Luffy to get out of.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean, Star can simply delete the air from existence and then end

That's too slow for Making Star win. Plus Luffy can just leave the area of effect for that so he can breathe, or he uses his range to pull himself out of harms way and proceeds to use his range to just beat her ass at a range.

Sadly I think this is a stomp for Luffy, he has every advantage he could need to completely wash Star here.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The air is instantly erased, he won't be able to escape

 

[DaReaperMan]

The air is instantly erased, he won't be able to escape

Luffy can quite literally stretch to kilometers, he can pull himself out of a few hundred meters of no air.

 

[BuilderROB]

I’m gonna wait and see if other people think it’s a stomp, but I don’t think it is because Star’s quirk is quite powerful. Don’t forget that she placed a rule on shigaraki that would’ve killed him had star identified him correctly. I think something similar could be done here if she plays her cards right. Remember that neither is aware of the other’s abilities, so that’s a big advantage for star here. I’m not saying star wins for sure but I don’t think it’s a stomp for this reason.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Luffy can quite literally stretch to kilometers, he can pull himself out of a few hundred meters of no air.

Without air you die instantly, your muscles stop working, and you lose brain function. It is impossible to escape from a vacuum

 

[DaReaperMan]

I’m gonna wait and see if other people think it’s a stomp, but I don’t think it is because Star’s quirk is quite powerful. Don’t forget that she placed a rule on shigaraki that would’ve killed him had star identified him correctly. I think something similar could be done here if she plays her cards right. Remember that neither is aware of the other’s abilities, so that’s a big advantage for star here. I’m not saying star wins for sure but I don’t think it’s a stomp for this reason.

Star needs to know Luffy's real name, say it out loud, be touching him, and say the rule she wants to put on him. That is very slow and gives many chances for Luffy to completely invalidate it.

Without air you die instantly, your muscles stop working, and you lose brain function. It is impossible to escape from a vacuum

Good thing Luffy is rubber.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Good thing Luffy is rubber.

... You know that he is still biologically human, right?

 

[DaReaperMan]

... You know that he is still biologically human, right?

You know that all of his muscles and organs are still, very indeed, stretchy as all hell Rubber right?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

And everyone still needs air and function. The rubber physiology does not cancel out the vacuum. He can even drown

 

[DaReaperMan]

Luffy can drown. Luffy needs air to breathe. That does not mean his muscles and organs are not different enough to be able to function where a normal human, which Luffy is not, wouldn't.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Do you have any proof that Luffy's body was work out of air? Any proof that blood would circulate in his muscles and brain even in a vacuum? No, there is not. He will simply die instantly

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Luffy was stripped of air in canon (Ceasar fight), and he didn't faint instantly.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Luffy was stripped of air in canon (Ceasar fight), and he didn't faint instantly.

He does not create a literal vacuum although

 

[DaReaperMan]

He does not create a literal vacuum although

Then why doesn't Star also feight? It's in-character for Luffy to stay close.

 

[BuilderROB]

Would Star be more likely to win if I gave each character basic knowledge of each other (names, basic power descriptions, etc.), or would that give Luffy an advantage still because he’d know star’s quirk and try to avoid being touched (thinking about it now they’re speed equalized so I’m not sure how that would go).

Also, I don’t think Star has to be continually touching the target to set the rule, just touching the target and then setting the rule then should work (with knowledge of Luffy’s name so it works). That’s how it seems to be described on Star’s profile at least, I can’t remember if in the manga she has to be or not.

 

[XDragnoir]

Star can get Luffy's name easily at least, Luffy is know for NEVER hiding his name if someone asks.

 

[KingTempest]

Luffy without knowledge of her attacks

Luffy with knowledge of her attack

The fact that Luffy has fought a foe with that ability just stops all chances of him getting the air deleted.


And Luffy can just stretch out of the range

 

[TheRustyOne]

Normal humans can stay conscious for around 15 seconds in a vacuum (Luffy isn't normal, so he can last for much longer and he moves far faster than a normal human). Luffy won't instantly be knocked out and he can easily just jump out of the range. Her vacuum is only 100 meters and she can't use it if he's too close or she'll risk suffocating herself.

But without any knowledge of her abilities, Luffy would give his name when ask and she can stop his heart with one touch. Star's missiles are worthless unless her opponent stands still, so they have no bearing on this fight.

Luffy does outrange her, is more skilled in CQC, and is able to handle her vacuum. In a fight with knowledge of each others abilities, Star's Air Giant would be the most troubling thing since she could restrain him with it via higher lifting strength. I assume Haki would allow Luffy to notice and avoid her invisible giant correct?

Since Luffy gives his name rather easily, would this be considered a stomp if they lack knowledge of each other?

 

[BuilderROB]

Star can get Luffy's name easily at least, Luffy is know for NEVER hiding his name if someone asks.

I didn’t even think about this. Would that mean star stomps then or would Luffy still have a chance? I say this because Luffy’s attacks are melee and all star has to do is touch him and the battle is basically over.

 

[KingTempest]

Star not a murderer tho, the only time she does that “move or you die” is against villains. Luffy’s relatively a hero, not too sure that she’d kill em

 

[TheRustyOne]

Star not a murderer tho, the only time she does that “move or you die” is against villains. Luffy’s relatively a hero, not too sure that she’d kill em

She doesn't know that, SBA means she wants to kill him but will remain in character. I mean these two wouldn't fight period, unless Luffy was a known criminal to her she has no business fighting him and he has no business fighting her. When Star is willing to kill, she had no problem with erasing to air to suffocate or stopping a person's heart.

"In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't." Her usual battle strategies is erase air, and try to touch them so she can stop their heart if they move.

 

[KingTempest]

Nevermind then, oof

 

[XDragnoir]

Luffy without knowledge of her attacks

Luffy with knowledge of her attack

The fact that Luffy has fought a foe with that ability just stops all chances of him getting the air deleted.


And Luffy can just stretch out of the range

Well, you are right, but i think we are using FMI Luffy, not sure tho

 

[KingTempest]

Well, you are right, but i think we are using FMI Luffy, not sure tho

This is all the same key

 

[XDragnoir]

This is all the same key

Yeah but the OP can say the timeframe of the key as well, so both FMI and DR are valid options.

 

[KingTempest]

???????

 

[Nierre]

uh what?

 

[XDragnoir]

???????

-_-

In a Vs thread, we can limit Luffy specifically to Fishman Island, Punk Hazard or Dressrosa, even if they are in the same key.

 

[KingTempest]

-_-

In a Vs thread, we can limit Luffy specifically to Fishman Island, Punk Hazard or Dressrosa, even if they are in the same key.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that allowed… ever

 

[XDragnoir]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that allowed… ever

-_-

Okay? I am sure there are no rules against it ;-;

 

[BuilderROB]

Can anyone maybe start giving a vote towards one or the other? Unless you think it’s a stomp in either direction.