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5-C???? Storm
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stated she can take the matrix energy from collapsing but didn't but she was not power hungry like Merlyn 1
Was stated to rivial her father in power 1
She altered the core structure of the starlight citadel which is a nexus 1 which is stated to be all of existence 1
Her pocket dimension was stated to be an omniverse. Since marvel writers have admitted they use omniverse and multiverse as the same. It best to say Multiverse. It was also stated in the same scan she can control time and space on a multiversal scale. She even projected the x-men back into their reality without existence knowing until they finished their plain. 1
Roma, goes by the title celestial, multiversal, or omniversal guardain. It was stated her power equals her title and then more. 1
She tanked Mastermind with excalibur and amulet of right and overpowered here. 1 2
^^^ The weapons together had enough power to slunder the multiverse. 1 Mastermind was gonna use it to destroy Otherworld, which is a pan-dimension outside of dimensions (outside of space and time too), which acts as a intersection between all realities. It is also the source of magic in the marvel mutliverse. 1 2
When she tried to save the chaoswave from destroying the Citadel. She tanked the entire falling on her. 1
She was stated to be the most powerful magic user in Otherworld 1 There's another scan can't find it that calls her the most powerful being in otherworld
Merlyn created ball of magic that Jamie as a goat stoled and used to be come the omni-god of the omniverse. 1 2 The goat gets scared when he see Merlyn and Roma (Psylocke illusions) 1
Was stated to rivial her father in power 1
She altered the core structure of the starlight citadel which is a nexus 1 which is stated to be all of existence 1
Her pocket dimension was stated to be an omniverse. Since marvel writers have admitted they use omniverse and multiverse as the same. It best to say Multiverse. It was also stated in the same scan she can control time and space on a multiversal scale. She even projected the x-men back into their reality without existence knowing until they finished their plain. 1
Roma, goes by the title celestial, multiversal, or omniversal guardain. It was stated her power equals her title and then more. 1
She tanked Mastermind with excalibur and amulet of right and overpowered here. 1 2
^^^ The weapons together had enough power to slunder the multiverse. 1 Mastermind was gonna use it to destroy Otherworld, which is a pan-dimension outside of dimensions (outside of space and time too), which acts as a intersection between all realities. It is also the source of magic in the marvel mutliverse. 1 2
When she tried to save the chaoswave from destroying the Citadel. She tanked the entire falling on her. 1
She was stated to be the most powerful magic user in Otherworld 1 There's another scan can't find it that calls her the most powerful being in otherworld
Merlyn created ball of magic that Jamie as a goat stoled and used to be come the omni-god of the omniverse. 1 2 The goat gets scared when he see Merlyn and Roma (Psylocke illusions) 1
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Sure, I can check it out.
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Okay, I read through all of these, but some of them are a little ambiguous. I need to be somewhere in a bit, so I'll jot my points down in a numbered list corresponding with the feats.
1. I don't think there is anything here suggesting she can stop the matrix energy from collapsing. It's possible I may need more context about what exactly is going on, but this one scan alone is not sufficient evidence.
2. This one is good. She should rival her father.
3. I'm not entirely sure this is an AP feat. Again, maybe more context would help.
4. This does look like confirmation that she has a multiverse, but I don't think anything here suggests she can control time or space on a multiversal level. Half the scan is just everybody discussing where/when they would like to be teleported to.
5. Your description of the events here is accurate, but the way the narrator says it makes it unclear if he's claiming she's multiversal or not. Like imagine if I introduced you to "The guardian of treasures untold! Whose power is exactly as his title implies!" It doesn't necessarily mean that you have strength equivalent to the treasure you are guarding. It just implies I would get somebody very powerful to guard something that precious. I see how this could be interpreted the way you are interpreting it, but I would personally only use it as secondary evidence after you already have a basis for believing she is multiversal.
6. It says in the second scan you linked that the sword backfired on its user because he was unworthy. I don't think you can use this.
7. This does look like good evidence that the sword is a thread to the multiverse, but again, I don't think it scales to the above feat.
8. This feat is solid, but I don't think it's multiversal.
9. This is pretty straight forward.
10. I definitely need more context for this one. I have no idea what's going on.
All things considered, I do think you've proven she rivals Merlyn and acts as the most poweful sorcerer in Otherworld, but I don't think much else here is usable. At least not without more context. I remember Merlyn being quite powerful, so this could end up being pretty impressive in the end, but you either need to scale him or find better independant feats for her.
1. I don't think there is anything here suggesting she can stop the matrix energy from collapsing. It's possible I may need more context about what exactly is going on, but this one scan alone is not sufficient evidence.
2. This one is good. She should rival her father.
3. I'm not entirely sure this is an AP feat. Again, maybe more context would help.
4. This does look like confirmation that she has a multiverse, but I don't think anything here suggests she can control time or space on a multiversal level. Half the scan is just everybody discussing where/when they would like to be teleported to.
5. Your description of the events here is accurate, but the way the narrator says it makes it unclear if he's claiming she's multiversal or not. Like imagine if I introduced you to "The guardian of treasures untold! Whose power is exactly as his title implies!" It doesn't necessarily mean that you have strength equivalent to the treasure you are guarding. It just implies I would get somebody very powerful to guard something that precious. I see how this could be interpreted the way you are interpreting it, but I would personally only use it as secondary evidence after you already have a basis for believing she is multiversal.
6. It says in the second scan you linked that the sword backfired on its user because he was unworthy. I don't think you can use this.
7. This does look like good evidence that the sword is a thread to the multiverse, but again, I don't think it scales to the above feat.
8. This feat is solid, but I don't think it's multiversal.
9. This is pretty straight forward.
10. I definitely need more context for this one. I have no idea what's going on.
All things considered, I do think you've proven she rivals Merlyn and acts as the most poweful sorcerer in Otherworld, but I don't think much else here is usable. At least not without more context. I remember Merlyn being quite powerful, so this could end up being pretty impressive in the end, but you either need to scale him or find better independant feats for her.
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1. Roma stated in panel she had no desire to control the collapsing matrix energy 2. Alright 3. She manipulated the core structure of a nexus that's obviously an AP feat 4. Umm no she offered them a gift of life to left them be projected into any timeline and start again. She also manipulated existence to think they were dead when she brought them back to life. 5. Her states her power equals her title multiversal guardian when she was battling the chaos wave. 6. Mastermind was unworthy but he was very capable of using the sword power which is why the entire goal was to get the amulet and sword away from him because he had the power to split a multiverse and mastermind was planning on destroying Otherworld. 7. The sword along is multiversal and mastermind was also amped by the amulet of right 8.the entire starlight citadel fell on her. 9. Merlyn himself is multiversal.
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1. No. The matrix is collapsing, the woman next to Roma says "You will lose control of the multiverse." Then Roma says "I have no desire to control it." They're clearly talking about the multiverse, not the matrix energy. Unless further context clears this up, this is the equivalent of my house burning down, my sister saying "Oh, no! That novel you were working on will be turned to ash!" and then me saying "I didn't really want to finish it anyway." That has nothing to do with my ability to stop the fire or not.
3. I'll need to know more about the mechanics of this thing before I just count it as an AP feat. Your explanation about why this matters isn't thorough enough. I barely know what the core is. If Scotty alters the energy core of the USS Enterprise, does that make him starship level?
4. Umm, yes. Projecting someone into a timeline does not demonstrate multiversal power. It doesn't even demonstrate universal power. It's a time travel and teleportation feat. Her doing it discreetly without alerting people to the fact that they've been brought back is also not a multiversal feat. I don't know the full context here, but in the absolute best case scenario, that is just a planetary mind hax feat.
5. Her state indicating her power is not sufficient as a primary power justification. Instead, you need to provide scans proving she's battling the Chaos Wave, and we can scale from that.
6. This is the same problem you keep running into. Even in the case that you provide a useable feat, you are not giving substantial context to prove it means what you are saying it means. By your description here, I assume this was part of some ongoing plot where Mastermind got the sword and the protagonists were fighting to get it back for the sake of the multiverse? If so, you need to explain that and show relevant scans in your explanation to prove each point. You can't expect me to just take your word for it or to do all the research myself. Act like you're presenting evidence in a court case. Build your argument premise to premise and back up each premise with scans proving them.
8. Okay, but I don't know how big the citadel is. Again, you need scans explaining its size, otherwise I'm just going to assume it's a fairly large building.
9. You need to provide scans proving this.
3. I'll need to know more about the mechanics of this thing before I just count it as an AP feat. Your explanation about why this matters isn't thorough enough. I barely know what the core is. If Scotty alters the energy core of the USS Enterprise, does that make him starship level?
4. Umm, yes. Projecting someone into a timeline does not demonstrate multiversal power. It doesn't even demonstrate universal power. It's a time travel and teleportation feat. Her doing it discreetly without alerting people to the fact that they've been brought back is also not a multiversal feat. I don't know the full context here, but in the absolute best case scenario, that is just a planetary mind hax feat.
5. Her state indicating her power is not sufficient as a primary power justification. Instead, you need to provide scans proving she's battling the Chaos Wave, and we can scale from that.
6. This is the same problem you keep running into. Even in the case that you provide a useable feat, you are not giving substantial context to prove it means what you are saying it means. By your description here, I assume this was part of some ongoing plot where Mastermind got the sword and the protagonists were fighting to get it back for the sake of the multiverse? If so, you need to explain that and show relevant scans in your explanation to prove each point. You can't expect me to just take your word for it or to do all the research myself. Act like you're presenting evidence in a court case. Build your argument premise to premise and back up each premise with scans proving them.
8. Okay, but I don't know how big the citadel is. Again, you need scans explaining its size, otherwise I'm just going to assume it's a fairly large building.
9. You need to provide scans proving this.
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I was going to reply to all but you literally have no clue about any of the context and feats.
First....You literally just said "I'm just going to assume it's a fairly large building" to the starlight citadel which is a NEXUS.
Second....like you have no clue about any of the feats. Literally when the chaos wave hit the Starlight citadel all the dimensions clashed, but you want to assume it's building level? lmaoooo I guess M'Kraan Crystal isn't a nexus since its not even building level.
Third.....FYI the entire X-men died she offered them a gift of life in any timeline or reality they wanted while manipulating existence to where they did not exist until they complete their mission.
Fourth.....I have shown feats about the Excalibur and Amulet of right above. But I'm not even gonna try because you might low ball that to building level too. FYI excalibur alone beat Warmage skrull amped by all the magic of otherworld(the source of magic the marvel multiverse... Even if lowball that it's enough to substain that "building size" Nexus), sword of might and amulet of right. and he took was gonna destroy otherworld.
First....You literally just said "I'm just going to assume it's a fairly large building" to the starlight citadel which is a NEXUS.
Second....like you have no clue about any of the feats. Literally when the chaos wave hit the Starlight citadel all the dimensions clashed, but you want to assume it's building level? lmaoooo I guess M'Kraan Crystal isn't a nexus since its not even building level.
Third.....FYI the entire X-men died she offered them a gift of life in any timeline or reality they wanted while manipulating existence to where they did not exist until they complete their mission.
Fourth.....I have shown feats about the Excalibur and Amulet of right above. But I'm not even gonna try because you might low ball that to building level too. FYI excalibur alone beat Warmage skrull amped by all the magic of otherworld(the source of magic the marvel multiverse... Even if lowball that it's enough to substain that "building size" Nexus), sword of might and amulet of right. and he took was gonna destroy otherworld.
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@ClassicNESfan
Thank you for helping out. It is very appreciated.
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You need to immediately switch to a more polite and respectful tone, and try to show better proof for your claims instead. If you cannot prove that Roma is multiversal, we have to scale goddess Storm to Low 2-C instead, as X-Man created a universe and the Adversary was going to rewrite one to his liking back when he imprisoned Roma.
Thank you for helping out. It is very appreciated.
@Kasyacarey
You need to immediately switch to a more polite and respectful tone, and try to show better proof for your claims instead. If you cannot prove that Roma is multiversal, we have to scale goddess Storm to Low 2-C instead, as X-Man created a universe and the Adversary was going to rewrite one to his liking back when he imprisoned Roma.
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Those are feats that she is multiversal.
1. I'm not gonna go back and forward with someone, who has no knowlege of the topic. You can clearly see it in his or her post.
2. This person just assumed a nexus was building level just by looking at it.
3. I'm not trying to be disrepectful at all.... I'm mindblown at the amount of low ball.
4. You are literally going along with it by liking his or her comment.. Did you even read the "I'm going to assume it's building level" claim? about a nexus.... This person has no knowledge on the starlight citadel.
5. Not only that this person compared Roma manipulating her Starlight citadel, literally a nexus to "Scotty alters the energy core of the USS Enterprise" I would love to see scans of someone manipulation or altering a nexus and not being multiversal. I guess Jean with the phoenix repaired the M'Kraan Crystal, which is also a nexus... is not a multiversal feat... Which she is scaled for on her page. By this person logic you can repair a building but that doesn't make you building level. That's not how it works.
6. She or he lowballed excalibur even though I showed feats of Mastermind trying to kill Roma.. She tanked it and overpowered him. Mastermind already had the amulet of right.. He impersonated Roma and got the excalibur. His whole goal was to combine the two to rule the multiverse. It was stated Mastermind was a threat becasue with his new power he could slunder a multiverse. He was also gonna destroy Otherworld, which is multiversal itself and contains a nexus inside of it.
7. 1 2 Captain Britian with excalibur ALONE defeated Warmage skrull, who was amped all the entire magic of otherworld. Roma stated it's enough to substain a nexus 1 and it's the source of magic in the marvel multiverse 1 and had the amulet of right and sword of might to amp his power even further.
And I'm going to address the part where you try to low ball Roma powers where it was stated her power does = her title and more... Roma was trying to protect her starlight citadel from the chaoswave. It was stated on panel to Roma power = her title multiveral guardian...They did this to show how powerful she was compared to the Chaoswave. 1 Roma power that is stated to be multiversal but was not enough for the chaoswave.. The starlight citadel was stated to be a vast space to encompasses all of existence 1 When the Chaoswave hit the citadel it was stated the impossible vast space is fearfully crowded as all dimensions clashed into one. 1
When the chaoswave knocked over the entire starlight citadel... The entire thing fell on Roma after she tried to save it. She survive 1
1. I'm not gonna go back and forward with someone, who has no knowlege of the topic. You can clearly see it in his or her post.
2. This person just assumed a nexus was building level just by looking at it.
3. I'm not trying to be disrepectful at all.... I'm mindblown at the amount of low ball.
4. You are literally going along with it by liking his or her comment.. Did you even read the "I'm going to assume it's building level" claim? about a nexus.... This person has no knowledge on the starlight citadel.
5. Not only that this person compared Roma manipulating her Starlight citadel, literally a nexus to "Scotty alters the energy core of the USS Enterprise" I would love to see scans of someone manipulation or altering a nexus and not being multiversal. I guess Jean with the phoenix repaired the M'Kraan Crystal, which is also a nexus... is not a multiversal feat... Which she is scaled for on her page. By this person logic you can repair a building but that doesn't make you building level. That's not how it works.
6. She or he lowballed excalibur even though I showed feats of Mastermind trying to kill Roma.. She tanked it and overpowered him. Mastermind already had the amulet of right.. He impersonated Roma and got the excalibur. His whole goal was to combine the two to rule the multiverse. It was stated Mastermind was a threat becasue with his new power he could slunder a multiverse. He was also gonna destroy Otherworld, which is multiversal itself and contains a nexus inside of it.
7. 1 2 Captain Britian with excalibur ALONE defeated Warmage skrull, who was amped all the entire magic of otherworld. Roma stated it's enough to substain a nexus 1 and it's the source of magic in the marvel multiverse 1 and had the amulet of right and sword of might to amp his power even further.
And I'm going to address the part where you try to low ball Roma powers where it was stated her power does = her title and more... Roma was trying to protect her starlight citadel from the chaoswave. It was stated on panel to Roma power = her title multiveral guardian...They did this to show how powerful she was compared to the Chaoswave. 1 Roma power that is stated to be multiversal but was not enough for the chaoswave.. The starlight citadel was stated to be a vast space to encompasses all of existence 1 When the Chaoswave hit the citadel it was stated the impossible vast space is fearfully crowded as all dimensions clashed into one. 1
When the chaoswave knocked over the entire starlight citadel... The entire thing fell on Roma after she tried to save it. She survive 1
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The only feat I admit that may not be multiversal is me stating she could stop the matrix energy from collapsing. Then again Roma and Merlyn implied he could repair the matrix energy and she rivals his power. But the rest I shown sure does put her at multiversal status.
I'm trying not to be rude and I apologize... but I literally spent a long time going over all of Roma appearances finding her feats and he called a nexus building level... that is what has me mind blown..
I'm trying not to be rude and I apologize... but I literally spent a long time going over all of Roma appearances finding her feats and he called a nexus building level... that is what has me mind blown..
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@Kasyacarey, trying to dismiss me because I "have no knowledge of the topic" is not going to get you anywhere. I am trying to help you. Obviously I will not be familiar with every obscure character, feat, and storyline thrown on my desk, but I shouldn't have to be. This entire wiki is created with the intent of indexing feats for a general audience, so you are expected to provide scans that present the context to prove your point. Even if I knew exactly what you were talking about down to the letter and you were correct on every point, I'd still be asking you to find scans to establish the premises your feats are built on so that a normal reader will understand. Perhaps this will help.
You have been presenting feats like this: "Superman survived Lex Luthor's Quasar Beam [Link]," "Spider-Man lifted Tony Stark's Mecha Droid [Link]"
You are supposed to present feats like this: "Superman survived Lex Luthor's Quasar Beam [Link], which Lex Luthor said could 'rip an entire star apart atom by atom' [Link], and when he used it on Doomsday [Link], he was completely annihilated [Link];" "Spider-Man lifted Tony Stark's Mecha Droid [Link], which was so dense Tony Stark said he had to install new floors in his workshop to stop it from breaking through the cieling below [Link]. It should be noted that we saw the Hulk enter his very same workshop before the Mecha Droid was built, only two issues earlier [Link]."
Please provide the appropriate context for each of your scans. You can't just link us the thing that's happening and call it done unless it is something very straight forward like crushing a mountain or blowing up a star. If it involves multiple X factors that the average person is not familiar with, you need to define the X factors as well.
You have been presenting feats like this: "Superman survived Lex Luthor's Quasar Beam [Link]," "Spider-Man lifted Tony Stark's Mecha Droid [Link]"
You are supposed to present feats like this: "Superman survived Lex Luthor's Quasar Beam [Link], which Lex Luthor said could 'rip an entire star apart atom by atom' [Link], and when he used it on Doomsday [Link], he was completely annihilated [Link];" "Spider-Man lifted Tony Stark's Mecha Droid [Link], which was so dense Tony Stark said he had to install new floors in his workshop to stop it from breaking through the cieling below [Link]. It should be noted that we saw the Hulk enter his very same workshop before the Mecha Droid was built, only two issues earlier [Link]."
Please provide the appropriate context for each of your scans. You can't just link us the thing that's happening and call it done unless it is something very straight forward like crushing a mountain or blowing up a star. If it involves multiple X factors that the average person is not familiar with, you need to define the X factors as well.
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Evaluating your new feats.
A. These scans do a good job of proving that Captain Britian can defeat Warmage Skrull with excalibur, but nothing in these scans tells me that Warmage Skrull is amped with all the magic in Otherworld. You need to provide a scan explaining that. The follow up scan does prove that the magic of Otherworld is enough to sustain Roma and the Starlight citadel, but I also need a scan explaining that it is a nexus. There are a few scans in our discussion that descibe a nexus existing, but I genuinely cannot tell if the citadel is the nexus, the Otherworld is the nexus, or if either structure is just located in a nexus space rather than the structure itself being the nexus. I also must admit that I'm not entirely sure if we consider sustaining a nexus to be a multiversal feat. You'll have to ask Ant about that.
B. This next part should be really easy. I just need you to provide a scan proving that the thing she's fighting off is the Chaos Wave. I can tell it is some sort of cosmic aberration, but I need proof it is the Chaos Wave. I think we currently rate the Chaos Wave as 2-A, so that would be solid evidence, I think.
And if I could make a suggestion, we also rank the Phoenix Force as 2-A. I noticed earlier that you have a scan about Necrom injuring the Phoenix Force and taking some of its power. If you can find a way to scale Roma or Merly to Necrom, that might also suffice as 2-A evidence, since they ultimately trace back to the Phoenix Force.
A. These scans do a good job of proving that Captain Britian can defeat Warmage Skrull with excalibur, but nothing in these scans tells me that Warmage Skrull is amped with all the magic in Otherworld. You need to provide a scan explaining that. The follow up scan does prove that the magic of Otherworld is enough to sustain Roma and the Starlight citadel, but I also need a scan explaining that it is a nexus. There are a few scans in our discussion that descibe a nexus existing, but I genuinely cannot tell if the citadel is the nexus, the Otherworld is the nexus, or if either structure is just located in a nexus space rather than the structure itself being the nexus. I also must admit that I'm not entirely sure if we consider sustaining a nexus to be a multiversal feat. You'll have to ask Ant about that.
B. This next part should be really easy. I just need you to provide a scan proving that the thing she's fighting off is the Chaos Wave. I can tell it is some sort of cosmic aberration, but I need proof it is the Chaos Wave. I think we currently rate the Chaos Wave as 2-A, so that would be solid evidence, I think.
And if I could make a suggestion, we also rank the Phoenix Force as 2-A. I noticed earlier that you have a scan about Necrom injuring the Phoenix Force and taking some of its power. If you can find a way to scale Roma or Merly to Necrom, that might also suffice as 2-A evidence, since they ultimately trace back to the Phoenix Force.
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A: I do not think that we have a standard for nexuses, but it seems illogical to assume that they automatically contain power equivalent to all of the universes that they link to without further evidence.
B: Necrom wanted to become a host to the Phoenix Force, but did not possess anywhere near as much power without it, and was overloaded and died when he tried to absorb it from Rachel Summers.
B: Necrom wanted to become a host to the Phoenix Force, but did not possess anywhere near as much power without it, and was overloaded and died when he tried to absorb it from Rachel Summers.
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1. I apologize for that. But assuming a nexus was building level is plain wrong.
2. exuse me??? but everything I posed literally had context. I didn't just post a link to be just straightward. You're absolutely wrong about that. Just because it was not in a style you didn't like. but that is irrelevant and not the point.
3. I already showed you it being a nexus multiple times. From being of all of existence, when it got every plane of creation crashed into one, and it was stated to be the omniversal tower that leads to every plane of existence. It's all stated above. Otherworld itself is a pan-dimension that existence out of dimensions and space and time. It is the intersection between all realities. That too is also stated above.
3. 1 2 It is stated that the Skrull missed were to take all the magic of out otherworld. 3 It was then stated they were gonna overtake the green chapel, the heart of magic. 1 They merge all the items I told you about. 1 In a summary it stated they stole the magic of otherworld and warmage skrull has it. 1 keeping the story short Warmage is amped by all the magic in otherworld, the source of magic of marvel and invaded earth to get the little remaining magic in London.
Merlin created a new corp Captain Britian with the last remaining magic in london. 1
In a tough battle Captain B with excalibur was able to defeat Warmage 1 2 After Captain B defeated warmage, the magic came back 1 Warmage was powerful enough to seal Satannish Cyttorak Lilith and Umar all multiversal characters. 1 1 They too were also powerless except mad merlyn, who drew his evil out and also he planned ahead 1
1 It is also stated that skrull were gonna use the magic to take over the multiverse.
2. exuse me??? but everything I posed literally had context. I didn't just post a link to be just straightward. You're absolutely wrong about that. Just because it was not in a style you didn't like. but that is irrelevant and not the point.
3. I already showed you it being a nexus multiple times. From being of all of existence, when it got every plane of creation crashed into one, and it was stated to be the omniversal tower that leads to every plane of existence. It's all stated above. Otherworld itself is a pan-dimension that existence out of dimensions and space and time. It is the intersection between all realities. That too is also stated above.
3. 1 2 It is stated that the Skrull missed were to take all the magic of out otherworld. 3 It was then stated they were gonna overtake the green chapel, the heart of magic. 1 They merge all the items I told you about. 1 In a summary it stated they stole the magic of otherworld and warmage skrull has it. 1 keeping the story short Warmage is amped by all the magic in otherworld, the source of magic of marvel and invaded earth to get the little remaining magic in London.
Merlin created a new corp Captain Britian with the last remaining magic in london. 1
In a tough battle Captain B with excalibur was able to defeat Warmage 1 2 After Captain B defeated warmage, the magic came back 1 Warmage was powerful enough to seal Satannish Cyttorak Lilith and Umar all multiversal characters. 1 1 They too were also powerless except mad merlyn, who drew his evil out and also he planned ahead 1
1 It is also stated that skrull were gonna use the magic to take over the multiverse.
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Also @ant Necrom defeated Feron with his part of the Phoenix with his powers alone. Defeating feron, Necrom scared the Phoenix to escape to the stars because it did not know what was happening.
Merlyn stated Necrom vanish someone where in the multiverse to bond with the Phoenix. He then went to say he mastered the matrix energy and Necrom always eluded him. So Merlyn created the Captain Britain corps to patrol the multiverse.
Merlyn went on to say he could have repaired the matrix energy but Necrom is a powerful opponent. So basically they have enough power to fight each other... also Merlyn and Roma have shown better feats than Necrom too
Merlyn stated Necrom vanish someone where in the multiverse to bond with the Phoenix. He then went to say he mastered the matrix energy and Necrom always eluded him. So Merlyn created the Captain Britain corps to patrol the multiverse.
Merlyn went on to say he could have repaired the matrix energy but Necrom is a powerful opponent. So basically they have enough power to fight each other... also Merlyn and Roma have shown better feats than Necrom too
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Well, that story was full of contradictions. Necrom only displayed at best 4-C level power during his fight with Rachel, and was completely overloaded when he tried to absorb the Phoenix from her.
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What were the contradictions? Most of his attacks were AP even Rachel said she couldn't defeat him
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I am just saying that Rachel very clearly had to greatly exert herself just to reach a planetary scale during the fight. This was very blatant.
Anyway, we are still waiting for evaluation help from ClassicNESfan.
Anyway, we are still waiting for evaluation help from ClassicNESfan.
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My apologies. I'll get to it as soon as I can, but my free time has been limited over the last couple days. To be frank, I don't feel like Kasyacarey is really listening to my critiques or recommendations either, which makes this thread a little frustrating to deal with.
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@ant I'm pretty sure Merlyn, who is muliversal would not have to watch his back against a 5-B to 4-C when he can simply destroy them.
@classic I read your recommendations but saying I'm not posting any context is wrong and rude. I'm putting my time and effect posting scans along with the context.
I already shown Roma multiversal feats. She created a dimension law of order which is a multiversal, she tanked and overpowered Excalibur, can manipulate time and space around the multiverse (no it wasn't mind hax because she doesn't even have mental powers except an astral projections), manipulating the starlight citadel and more, she survived a nexus falling on her and was inside of it when literally all the dimensioned in the multiversal collided, and more.
@classic I read your recommendations but saying I'm not posting any context is wrong and rude. I'm putting my time and effect posting scans along with the context.
I already shown Roma multiversal feats. She created a dimension law of order which is a multiversal, she tanked and overpowered Excalibur, can manipulate time and space around the multiverse (no it wasn't mind hax because she doesn't even have mental powers except an astral projections), manipulating the starlight citadel and more, she survived a nexus falling on her and was inside of it when literally all the dimensioned in the multiversal collided, and more.
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For the last time, she is not multiversal for offering to project the X-Men into any timeline they wanted- nor is she multiversal for agreeing to do it without making anybody aware that they are alive. I will also absolutely not agree with making her mutliversal for changing the citadel's core without more context, and Ant has rejected scaling the weight of the citadel to all the universes it links. I will review your lastest feats when I have a free moment, but the above listed arguments are not sufficient in their current state.
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@ant well that was rude
@classic not even going by that anymore
1. She is still multiversal for creating a literal multiverse, tanked and oneshotted Mastermind, having the starlight citadel falling on her, rivals merlyn in power, and stated on panel her power is multiversal.
The starlight citadel encompasses all of existence. She manipulated the fabric of the entire tower to prohibt Merlyn from using his powers effectively in the scans above.
Also I would rather have @Hykuu opinion on this topic. He is more aware of Roma, excalibur, Merlyn and others. I stopped wanting to defend myself after classic stated the starlight citadel is building after consistently trying to pass away my scans of the starlight citadel being a nexus.
@classic not even going by that anymore
1. She is still multiversal for creating a literal multiverse, tanked and oneshotted Mastermind, having the starlight citadel falling on her, rivals merlyn in power, and stated on panel her power is multiversal.
The starlight citadel encompasses all of existence. She manipulated the fabric of the entire tower to prohibt Merlyn from using his powers effectively in the scans above.
Also I would rather have @Hykuu opinion on this topic. He is more aware of Roma, excalibur, Merlyn and others. I stopped wanting to defend myself after classic stated the starlight citadel is building after consistently trying to pass away my scans of the starlight citadel being a nexus.
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I need scans proving she created a multiverse. All you've provided is a scan saying they were in "her multiverse." By itself, that statement is useless. Possession is not equivalent to creation. I could say you're in "my universe" right now since I was born here and live here. That does not mean I created the universe. And it gets even trickier when it comes to magic and scifi. There are characters out there who have pocket universes sitting on their shelves in a jar. That does not mean they made those universes. That means they ow them. I need some evidence that she was involved in the multiverse's creation before she can scale to it.
Ant has rejected scaling her from tanking the Starlight Citadel's fall.
She was never once stated to be multiversal in any of the scans you've offered. The closest you have provided is a statement that her power is "exactly what her title implies," and I have already explained why that is too vague to be a primary justification.
Rivaling Merlyn is impressive, but it's useless as a feat until you provide scans establishing Merlyn's power.
I definitely need more information on Roma one-shotting Mastermind before I give that any sort of ranking, because in the scene immediately following it Roma says "The sword of might was not his to wield. It destroyed Mastermind as it does all those unworthy of its power." That makes it sound a lot like the sword just backfired on him.
I think your scans regarding the Skrulls' conquest against Otherworld might be useful. Do you know the name of that arc so I can check it out for myself?
Ant has rejected scaling her from tanking the Starlight Citadel's fall.
She was never once stated to be multiversal in any of the scans you've offered. The closest you have provided is a statement that her power is "exactly what her title implies," and I have already explained why that is too vague to be a primary justification.
Rivaling Merlyn is impressive, but it's useless as a feat until you provide scans establishing Merlyn's power.
I definitely need more information on Roma one-shotting Mastermind before I give that any sort of ranking, because in the scene immediately following it Roma says "The sword of might was not his to wield. It destroyed Mastermind as it does all those unworthy of its power." That makes it sound a lot like the sword just backfired on him.
I think your scans regarding the Skrulls' conquest against Otherworld might be useful. Do you know the name of that arc so I can check it out for myself?
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You're also being very rude, ignoring criticism, misrepresenting my points, and repeatedly citing the same things over and over again, even after I've told you the feats need more context or are not useable. If you don't want to defend your arguments, then fine, but they will not be accepted unless you do. Ant wouldn't have tagged me for this evaluation if he thought input from the people already here was sufficient for accepting changes. I have asked nothing unreasonable of you. Your continual attempts to dismiss my review because I do not agree with the way you present feats is making me lose my patience. Either continue providing rebuttals politely, ask somebody else who agrees with you to come argue in your stead, or drop the topic.
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-First of all it's literally stated to be her realm 1 2 3 Not the same, I know what you're trying to do what but it's not the same. It's her pocket dimension. That's like saying Limbo isn't Magik pocket dimension. It's not far out of her power because Merlyn literally created Otherworld, a pan dimension that exist outside all dimension and space and time. Otherworld is the intersection between all realities. Roma=Merlyn in power. 1 It's literally stated her dimension is beyond space and time. Not only that Roma's pocket dimension is Realm of order. I mean she is the multiverse guardian. Just by a weak Adversary being present caused chaos in her pocket dimension she was trapped which Storm and Forge were able to get free 1 It's literally stated to be her pocket dimension. I don't a problem with other ppl, who scaled to their realms and it's not shown they created it but it's theirs.
-Well the starlight citadel encompasses all of the planes in existence and it fell on her. Not only that she manipulated fabric of entire thing.
-I already gave context they flat out stated on panel "[19][20]Her she tries to save the Starlight citadel from the chaos wave but did not save it. But it is stated her power is all that her title implies in more. She rivals her father Merlyn in power who created the Starlight Citadel. The starlight Citadel is basically a nexus to all universes and planes. The entire thing fell on her and did not even harm her. [21]" They literally said her power equals her title Multiversal guardian and more to show you how powerful the chaos wave was.
-You mean the feat I already showned you above where I stated Merlyn said he could repair the Matrix energy. While trying to lowball everything did you bother to read he literally created Otherworld in that scan or? Or did you read the part in the scan where I showed you ball of magic created by Merlyn allowed a goat to become a omni god of the omniverse and taking over the omniverse? Who even with all that power nearly pissed his pants when he saw an illusion of Roma and Merlyn. Or did you read Merlyn literally created the amulet of right and excalibur capable of destroying otherworld and has the power to split the multiverse? Merlyn doing this 1
-He wasn't worthy of the sword. He did life it from the stone like Captain Britian did. But he was still able to use it's power which is way the team Excalibur stated Mastermind with that power can split a multiverse. He was literally about to destroy Otherworld in that series. The only reason he was stopped because Roma was freed and stopped him. Either way she tanked the sword and defeated him.
-Umm you can drop the attitude. I worked so hard on trying to present all these feat. I spent a very long time going back to read all of this. You have been dismissing or lowballing them in a very disrepecful way. Then tell you tell me to start posting context like I haven't been doing that from the get go. You're trying to make me feel like I am wasting my time. I didn't ask for you so I don't know where you're getting that from. Literally everyone in this thread agree with me. Just about everyone the Captain Britain thread agreed he should be tier 2-A with Excalibur and amulet of right... Guess what Captain Britian is only powerful because of Roma. Roma >>>>>>>> CB. Not I said I did not want to talk to you because instead of asking about a nexus... You literally went on to call it building level. Not only have I posted repeating showing of it being a nexus. You keep disrepectully dismissing it.
-Well the starlight citadel encompasses all of the planes in existence and it fell on her. Not only that she manipulated fabric of entire thing.
-I already gave context they flat out stated on panel "[19][20]Her she tries to save the Starlight citadel from the chaos wave but did not save it. But it is stated her power is all that her title implies in more. She rivals her father Merlyn in power who created the Starlight Citadel. The starlight Citadel is basically a nexus to all universes and planes. The entire thing fell on her and did not even harm her. [21]" They literally said her power equals her title Multiversal guardian and more to show you how powerful the chaos wave was.
-You mean the feat I already showned you above where I stated Merlyn said he could repair the Matrix energy. While trying to lowball everything did you bother to read he literally created Otherworld in that scan or? Or did you read the part in the scan where I showed you ball of magic created by Merlyn allowed a goat to become a omni god of the omniverse and taking over the omniverse? Who even with all that power nearly pissed his pants when he saw an illusion of Roma and Merlyn. Or did you read Merlyn literally created the amulet of right and excalibur capable of destroying otherworld and has the power to split the multiverse? Merlyn doing this 1
-He wasn't worthy of the sword. He did life it from the stone like Captain Britian did. But he was still able to use it's power which is way the team Excalibur stated Mastermind with that power can split a multiverse. He was literally about to destroy Otherworld in that series. The only reason he was stopped because Roma was freed and stopped him. Either way she tanked the sword and defeated him.
-Umm you can drop the attitude. I worked so hard on trying to present all these feat. I spent a very long time going back to read all of this. You have been dismissing or lowballing them in a very disrepecful way. Then tell you tell me to start posting context like I haven't been doing that from the get go. You're trying to make me feel like I am wasting my time. I didn't ask for you so I don't know where you're getting that from. Literally everyone in this thread agree with me. Just about everyone the Captain Britain thread agreed he should be tier 2-A with Excalibur and amulet of right... Guess what Captain Britian is only powerful because of Roma. Roma >>>>>>>> CB. Not I said I did not want to talk to you because instead of asking about a nexus... You literally went on to call it building level. Not only have I posted repeating showing of it being a nexus. You keep disrepectully dismissing it.
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No. You can drop the attitude. Now. I'm serious. I don't visit this website to be talked down to, and I tolerated plenty of your belittling before I spoke up about anything. I don't really care that everybody on this thread agreed with you. That's why Ant tagged me. Because he wanted a more rigerous evaluation of the feats. If this is the first time you're recieving any push back, then I'm doing my job. And stop your constant accusations of "low balling." That is literally not what's going on here. I'm operating only off of what you give me, and it's your own fault if you are giving me poorly represented feats. I'll evaluate your new arguments when I have another spare moment, but I'm going to need a little bit of time to cool off after that blatant disrespect and complete dismissal of everything I said above. It's important that I remain objective.
Ant, can you please have a word with Kasyacarey? Maybe they will listen to you.
Ant, can you please have a word with Kasyacarey? Maybe they will listen to you.
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Neither of you are a step above the other in any way, Kasy just believes your evaluations, which you think is "your job", were bad, and seem like stone walling (Not stating what I believe). This happens in nearly every single CRT. I don't think this is that serious, and there was definitely no need for an entire paragraph about this by either side. Of course, I don't think either side is justified, but I see where both are coming from, and this will just boil down to a shitfest now. I'd suggest both of you get back on topic or just close the thread.
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I personally agree with ClassicNESfan that he is just trying to help by objectively evaluating the available information, and definitely doesn't deserve being treated rudely, as he has no bad intentions. I personally asked him to help us out.
Kasyacarey simply needs to provide better evidence to convince him. Otherwise we can only scale empowered Storm to Low 2-C scaling from that she damaged universe-creating X-Man straight through his defences, and overpowered the Adversary, who was going to recreate the main universe in his image.
That said, Hykuu is correct in that threads here too often regrettably devolve into disrespectful personal attacks, rather than calmly staying on topic. This needs to stop in general, as it is impossible to get anything productive done that way.
Kasyacarey simply needs to provide better evidence to convince him. Otherwise we can only scale empowered Storm to Low 2-C scaling from that she damaged universe-creating X-Man straight through his defences, and overpowered the Adversary, who was going to recreate the main universe in his image.
That said, Hykuu is correct in that threads here too often regrettably devolve into disrespectful personal attacks, rather than calmly staying on topic. This needs to stop in general, as it is impossible to get anything productive done that way.
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A nexus is no more than a fancier portal. If you treat portals as wormholes, then it's going to be anywhere from low to high Tier 4 going by real-life theoretical physics - possibly Tier 3 if it's exceptionally large, but even this is looking too far to fetch for feats, IMO.
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Ignoring that Situation.. above
Merlin is multiversal. Roma rivals his power and shown even his finest weapons that are multiversal can't beat her.
Also black knight being thrown at Seth with the ebony sword oneshotted him. Seth is one of strongest elder god. Even stronger than Gaea, who is multiversal. Merlin also created the ebony sword also.
Roma and Merlyn are masters of the matrix energy. Meggan and Captain Britain just by tapping into it was able to perform multiversal feats.
Roma is stated to be the most powerful being and sorceress in otherworld. Which means she is stronger than Morgan le fey, who defeated and matched classic dr strange multiple times and defeated the black knight. She can also defeat scarlet witch. Morgan also manipulated the entire astral plane to form a body. Eye of Agamotto of couldn't stop Morgan power. She casually a rewrote entire universe and much more. She is also more powerful than doom, who with a minor spell removed to barrier between two dimensions to get to limbo. A realm literally no one can enter without Magik permission.
Merlin is multiversal. Roma rivals his power and shown even his finest weapons that are multiversal can't beat her.
Also black knight being thrown at Seth with the ebony sword oneshotted him. Seth is one of strongest elder god. Even stronger than Gaea, who is multiversal. Merlin also created the ebony sword also.
Roma and Merlyn are masters of the matrix energy. Meggan and Captain Britain just by tapping into it was able to perform multiversal feats.
Roma is stated to be the most powerful being and sorceress in otherworld. Which means she is stronger than Morgan le fey, who defeated and matched classic dr strange multiple times and defeated the black knight. She can also defeat scarlet witch. Morgan also manipulated the entire astral plane to form a body. Eye of Agamotto of couldn't stop Morgan power. She casually a rewrote entire universe and much more. She is also more powerful than doom, who with a minor spell removed to barrier between two dimensions to get to limbo. A realm literally no one can enter without Magik permission.
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