5-C???? Storm

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

So basically like BP and his King of Dead thing right? If so, I'm for this.

 

[Freedomstar]

basically but Storm was born with her powers and it goes further than even her mutant powers.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

>KOTD level

welp i guess it's herald-level storm time owo

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

basically but Storm was born with her powers and it goes further than even her mutant powers.

Ok, it's a separate thing from her mutant powers correct?

 

[Freedomstar]

Yes, and I'm glad they put it that way.

That way we can still see her potential as an omega level mutant and also see her god powers.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Then I agree then.

 

[Freedomstar]

thank you for the input

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

pretty sure that Storm should scale to the 5-B/5-A characters like magneto and namor

 

[Antvasima]

We still need input from the members that I mentioned earlier.

 

[Hykuu]

I'm fine with all this being a seperate key, also isn't the nate thing 2-A since from what I remember, he quite literally became the multiverse? He was hurt by weaker things in the story aswell, so not a surprise.

 

[Antvasima]

I only remember that he created a single alternative timeline, which is Low 2-C.

 

[Hykuu]

Bishop stated he saw every timeline, plane and alternate universe within his creation, and he literally says it isn't a single universe or timeline, but an entire plane of existence identitcal to the multiverse.

 

[Antvasima]

Can you find some scans with evidence please?

 

[Hykuu]

He embodies the multiverse and didn't just create it

Stated agai

Every timeline, alternate reality and plane of existence in his world

 

[Antvasima]

You misunderstand. All that was said in the scans above is that X-Man was the entire timeline/world that he created, and Bishop simply referenced that he has a history of exploring various dystopian alternative timelines himself.

 

[Hykuu]

No, he's talking about how across every reality within that world, Nate negged all mutants, that's all

 

[Antvasima]

I strongly disagree. Given the history of the character travelling through many timelines, that is obviously what he is referring to. A Low 2-C X-Man is fine, but anything more than that is speculation taken out of thin air. Sorry.

 

[Hykuu]

Okay, why would that matter if Nate was restricted within his own world and Bishop was referring to every mutant within Nate's world, and all realities, timelines within it?

No one is upgrading Nate, this was done with the Life-Seed

 

[Antvasima]

Again, Bishop isn't referring to this world specifically, but to all of his past experiences of travelling to different timelines, whether it is his own future, the Age of Apocalypse, or chasing Cable and Hope through the timestream for decades.

I would appreciate if you would permanently drop this subject, as you are arguing for massive upgrades based on extremely distorted and insubstantial interpretations.

 

[Hykuu]

I've seen every timeline, every alternate reality, plane of existence, all of them end the same way. Nate created a secret police force designed to enforce the rules he decided on everyone.

Ant:

- if this was out of his creation, why would it be the rules he decided on everyone

- if it was other experiences, why would he only refer to nate's police force?

- Nate literally says it wasn't only a alternate universe, and we have seen holes which lead to other possibilities within the world.

No one is upgrading anything, I am not upgrading Nate based off this, not even storm, I am just saying the feat would be that level

 

[Antvasima]

Because Bishop is talking from past similar experience with different totalitarian timelines. With "everyone" he only refers to the local environment/planetary civilisation that he has been stuck in during this story. This is not hard to understand, and I strongly reject any vastly exaggerated interpretations from this.

Again, you almost seem to be turning into as much of a headache regarding unreasonable, hyperbolic, out of context, massive Marvel upgrades as Seed has been.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, none of your scans have any evidence for anything other than that X-Man was an essential part of his alternative timeline. If you wish to add a Low 2-C statistics key to his profile when upgraded by the Life Seed, feel free.

 

[Antvasima]

My apologies for the above comment. I was likely being too harsh.

 

[Hykuu]

Ant, if you don't want to accept this, that's fine.

I just want to make this clear, I never intended this to be an upgrade for Nate or Storm at all, that's all, I was just pointing it out.

 

[Freedomstar]

I'm fine with all this being a seperate key, also isn't the nate thing 2-A since from what I remember, he quite literally became the multiverse? He was hurt by weaker things in the story aswell, so not a surprise.

Yeah Jean stated there are two timelines in her mind.

Nate Grey said it absorb all their memories and etc but did not make an alternate universe but an entire plane of existence.

 

[Freedomstar]

also the X-men hurting him is PIS because he tanked all of their attacks and nothing happened to him

 

[Antvasima]

@Hykuu

Okay. No problem.

@Kasyacarey

All that we saw X-Man do is create a universe/timeline. Anything else is too vague in scale.

 

[LordWhis]

if we took all of them literally, all tier 9 characters and above would end up scaled to Oblivio.

For the 100th time Iceman vs Oblivion was an illusion, the fight never happenned.

 

[Antvasima]

Black Panther > Tiger God > Logos > Living Tribunal > Infinity = Oblivion.

 

[Freedomstar]

Not my argument but where was it shown that Black Panther is > Tiger God

 

[LordWhis]

Black Panther > Tiger God > Logos > Living Tribunal > Infinity = Oblivion.

A result of the cosmic hierarchy becoming destabilised due to LT's death making willpower = AP. Not relevant to regular powerlevels at all.

 

[Antvasima]

No, it is just about Marvel being irrational and inconsistent as usual.

 

[Freedomstar]

So can we give Storm her key ?

 

[Antvasima]

First we need to give X-Man an extra "At least Low 2-C" statistics key. An extra "Empowered by worship" key for Storm is probably fine as well. How powerful was the Adversary defined as within the story that she defeated him?

 

[Freedomstar]

He story of the 80s was connected where he took over a nexus and defeated Roma.

He also defeated all the Wakandan gods which consisted of Thoth, who can fight beings as powerful as Seth and the goddess Bast.

 

[Antvasima]

In the 80s story I think that he was only portrayed as a threat to the universe though.

 

[Freedomstar]

He wanted to destroy and recreate 616 universe. He actually shown to take over and control the starlight citadel with his power which a nexus, defeatEd and captured Roma, and he even blocked Darkchylde Magik powers.

Later on He defeated a full powered Roma again. He is portrayed to be above Roma in power, with her feat 2A and higher.

 

[Freedomstar]

Also in the 80's Adversary also complimented Storm untapped spiritual powers

 

[Antvasima]

Several steps of scaling is unreliable for Marvel, and Roma was never remotely displayed as having multiversal degrees of power in the 1980s. I think that an "At least Low 2-C" rating is the most reliable that we can get for Storm empowered by worship.

 

[Freedomstar]

She actually did her pocket dimension is an multiverse. She stated and shown she can multiple time and space on a multiversal scale. She altered the core structure of a nexus and was stated to be equal to Merlyn in power.

When I mean story reconnected I meant when adversary and Storm met. He has appeared from the 80's to 2010's. Adversary has been portrayed stronger than Roma and Wakandan gods, which consist of Bast, Thoth and some elder gods.