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5-C???? Storm

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She was upgraded by the belief of the Wakandan people in a rather recent Black Panther story, and shortly afterwards she damaged X-Man amplified by the Life Seed in an X-Men story, right before the latter created a new universe.

I do not remember the exact issue numbers though. Would somebody else be willing to help us out with that?
 
Bump. Before I get into the scans... I wanted to let everyone know I do agree with Kasycarey on the fact that Merlyn & Roma are likely 2-A... and here is why ? :

 
It's also stated that Merlin father created crystals each one containing the life force of an entire universe used for interdimensional energy before Necrom developed the matrix energy. So it proves that Merlyn and Roma can Be multiversal with using the life force of universes, matrix energy and their own magic.

Another feat it is implied that Abraxas, who is 2A wasn't powerful enough to kill Roma. She being a master manipulator like Merlin faked her death.

created celestial nullifer can which destroy universes in the omniverse. Made of crystals that hold the life force of the universes kept in the starlight citadel. 1 2
 
Also @kepekley23 if you aren't gonna recognize the starlight citadel like the nexus of all of all realities, white room, and m'kraan crystal given its feats and statements... then the Phoenix Force nor the Phoenix avatars should be scaled to a nexus.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1829915 Y'all literally rated the crystal 1-B

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3581959 You literally went alone with a 2-A for the crystal but the Starlight Citadel is a nexus so that does not apply here?
 
As I said before Merlin did not only create excalibur but he created the ebony sword. 1

Black Knight turning into the ebony sword itself was able to oneshot Set. 1 2 as I recalled Seth is more powerful than Gaea and Oshtur, who both are multiversal.

The blade is also able to do thing things below

By feats Excalibur > ebony sword

Excalibur Blocks a blast from Plokta, a Duke of Hell. who also created the mindless ones.

at mindless ones most powerful state can fight Dormammu and defeat Classic Strange.

Roma tanked Mastermind trying to kill her with Excalibur and overpowered him. The same mastermind, who was going to destroy otherworld and take over the multiverse if he was not stopped.

It is also stated that Roma and Merlyn are the physical amalgamtion of all their interdimensional counterparts. Would that be Acausality type 5 Causality Transcendence?
 
Listen, I am not opposed to the idea that Merly and Roma might be multiversal. On the contrary, it would actually make a lot of sense given their positions. Kasyacarey has just done a very poor job of providing evidence to that effect, and this will be my last attempt to sort this thing out before I just recommend we scale off of the X-Ma feat that apparently happened much closer to the storyline in question anyway.

1. We need evidence that Set, Gaea, or Oshtur are multiversal before accepting this. We also need evidence that Set is more powerful than Gaea or Oshtur. We don't have profiles for any of these characters, and we can't just take your word with these kinds of things. Again- context.

2. Need to know how powerful this Tita is.

3. Need to know how powerful Terminus is.

4. Structures made by a Cosmic Cube should not scale to the Cosmic Cube itself unless there is some sort of dialogue or feat suggesting it.

5. Dr. Strange's comments in this scene do not immediately suggest a comparison between the wall and his own powers.

6. That's not really quantifiable.

7. This looks like it occurred during the time The Beyonder was purposefully going through the multiverse and making himself vunerable to things to experience what it was like to be mortal. I don't think you can scale off of that, but even if you could, cutting through Pre-Retcon Beyonder without some sort of a plot explanation would be a massive outlier.

8. I don't think we can chain scale off of The Mindless Ones like that because their usual showings are significantly lower .

Frankly, I think that this is the closest thing we've gotten to confirmation of multiversal power throughout this entire thread, but somebody will have to double check it for me because it's still a little odd:

"Merlyn: was able to fight off the Dimensional Matrix across every dimensional interface of the Multiverse, which was going to cause every dimensional interface across the Multiverse to be destroyed . Roma is his relative equal, as she fought him while he was bloodlusted. He also stated he could've easily fixed the Matrix . Remember both feats are Base Merlyn, not the amped variant."

I'll ask one more time if I can please get the name of the exact storyline we are evaluating or at least the storyline about the Skrulls invading Otherworld. I'd be happy to read some of these comics myself to get a grasp on the feats presented, but this evaluation has not gotten anywhere for days at this point, and I'm quite nearly ready to just default to that X-Ma feat where he created a universe.
 
ClassicNESfan said:
I'll ask one more time if I can please get the name of the exact storyline we are evaluating or at least the storyline about the Skrulls invading Otherworld. I'd be happy to read some of these comics myself to get a grasp on the feats presented, but this evaluation has not gotten anywhere for days at this point, and I'm quite nearly ready to just default to that X-Ma feat where he created a universe.
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I would also appreciate if others can find the issue numbers of the stories used as references above.

Anyway, when first introduced during "Fall of the Mutants" in the late 1980s, the Adversary was going to recreate the universe in his image, if I remember correctly, which is also a Low 2-C feat, so we should scale from both this feat and X-Man in that case, to get some sort of coherent pattern.
 
.Literally everything he showed..... I showed myself. like literally that's a personal attack and I'm serious... I sat right here and showed every feat he represent with context. First why scale her off X-man when she was literally stated and shown on panel to be stated than Adversary. It was confirmed in the handbook that Storm defeated Adversary and that her god mode transform and absorb faith to amplify her power while in that mode.

1. Ummm It's literally stated that Gaea and Oshtur in the link above confirmed by marvel have the power to destroy and re-create the multiverse. I think it's you, who just needs confirmation of their power. Oshtur literally goes around the multiversal fighting multiversal threats. She literally created a multiversal creature. Also having profiles on here means nothing. I can pin point numberous of profiled that are flawed.

2. The Titan guards the eternal flame that can destroy 9 realms

3. Terimus is 4-B. Ebony blade was easily slicing him.

4. Either way Adaptoid had the cosmic cube when he imprision black knight and he was able to cut through it.

5. Strange literally says Tiboro powers are vast and beyond comprehension. When the ebony sword oneshotted the wall. Strange literally commented "By the hoary of Hoggath! He shattered the wall like glass--- in one blinding sweep!" This clearly shows Strange was not able to do it. You have been ignoring context on all the scans or making up some. I will not tolerate that anymore

6. I know that I was showing how powerful the sword is

7. Umm no... That the part where the Beyonder wanted to help the Avenger defeat Nebula and her army. He took Nebula and banished her. The avengers were mad at Beyonder. When they got back to earth the avengers went to talk to government officals. Leaving Beyonder with Herc and Black Knight. They fought leaving Herc knockout and Beyonder stabbed. Umm outlier? This sword is made by Merlin.. If I wanted to really get into it Merlin and Roma could be rated tier 1 based on their feats.

8. I clearly said at "their most powerful state". Mindless ones can range from multiversal to 5-A. Either way Plokta created them all. Excalibur was blocking his power

I have proven my point along with a few others. Merlyn and Roma are 2-A and that's just lowballing.
 
1. No, it isn't.

2. Guarding something powerful does not make you its equivalent in power

3. Alright.

4. Still doesn't scale.

5. Not sufficient for scaling. Doctor Strange calling somebody's powers vast when a lower level hero is about to try hitting their wall of unknown energy with a sword is just evidence that he was concerned for their safety and had no idea what was about to happen. This is only further complicated by the sword's resistance to magical attacks and its enchantment to "cut through anything."

6. Okay.

7. Nope. Merly and Roma are absolutely not anywhere near the power of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Most of the feats you've shown on this thread are conclusive proof of that.

8. That is evidence that Dormammu failing to shield from them is an outlier, not that The Mindless Ones range from 5-A to 2-A.

You have not proven your point, and just saying you've proven your point does not change that fact. I will, however, check out the Skrull storyline and the storyline wherein Storm is empowered by worship to get a better feel for the situation and hopefully find the feats we're looking for.
 
After looking through all of this a second time, it seems pretty clear to me that Merly and Roma need profiles of their own on this wiki. And frankly, Captain Britia should get one too. I don't know if I feel comfortable chain scaling through so many characters that we do not have properly indexed. All three characters have a long and confusing history, and I'm earnest when I say that there might actually be some multiversal levels of power at play here. We just need somebody knowledgeable in their history with a solid understanding of wiki standards to write something up for us with the proper justifications. Or somebody with a lot of time on their hands and access to a large number of comics. Either one will do.

So here is what I propose:

Storm Empowered By Worship can be scaled from independent feats performed by people she has fought directly, but she cannot be chain scaled to Roma or Merly until we have standards for those two that have been accepted and formalized among the larger wiki community.

And on the note of scaling to Adversary, I finally found the comic in which he faced off against an empowered Storm. Here is a link.

Ultimately, I'll leave it up to Ant as to whether he wants to accept this or not, but now that I've gotten a chance to see the feat myself, I certainly would not scale this to Low 2-C. There is nothing in the comic to suggest that Adversary is operating anywhere near his classic power levels.

First of all, I'd like to remind any evaluating eyes that this story was published in mid-2018, and Adversary's universe level feat occurred in 1988. That's a heck of a lot of time to pass without any comparable showings.

Secondly, during this particular appearance, Adversary is clearly injured and momentarily restrained by Zawavari, he is troubled by Shuri for a short period, and Black Panther straight up claims that Adversary trapped storm in a rock slide to induce her claustrophobia because he considers her a threat . You see, here's the thing. Adversary had no reason to know Storm could be empowered by worship in this story, which means his assessment of her threat level had to be entirely based off of his past experiences with her. In fact, Black Panther even suggests as much . So if Adversary was incapacitating Storm solely out of a fear that her standard power levels would make her a threat, then there's no way he was being treated anywhere near Low 2-C in this story. Sure enough, there are no Low 2-C feats throughout the entirety of this comic, and Storm's "battle" with him is a single lightning strike that knocks him into a portal to BFR.

Like I said, you can do what you want with this information at the end of the day. I'm still open to Roma and Merly being multiversal if given the proper feats. But in my opinion? Storm shouldn't even approach tier 2, no matter what she's being empowered by here.
 
@ClassicNESfan

Thank you for the help. I very much appreciate it, and think that you make excellent sense in your analysis.

Would you be willing to write a footnote explanation in the Storm (Marvel Comics) page regarding why she shouldn't scale to the full power Adversary or X-Man, to avoid problems in the future?
 
Don't mention it. I'm glad I could help. I'm sorry if I acted a little rude earlier when I was being griefed. I know biting back probably only made the situation worse, and I should have had better control of myself.

And sure. I'd be happy to add a footnote to Storm's profile. How does this sound?

"Do not attempt to scale Storm to Adversary based on their brief fight in Black Panther #172, as The Adversary was clearly not being written as comparable to his classic power level at the time."
 
That seems fine. It should probably be mentioned that damaging X-Ma is considered as an outlier as well though.
 
Umm literally talking nonsense right now. You didn't even read the series. I suggest you go back and read the entire saga over again. Adversary knew she was empowered by worrship.

She was literally stopping his powers before he came. Adversary literally created senient storms in Wakanda and Storm using her spirtiual powers stopped them 1 2 3 4


Still here we are at point A again where I have to prove you wrong because you like to take things out of context or post things out of context.

-Adversary was literally playing around with Zawavari look at the lowball with no context. Zawarvari got oneshotted by creatures created by his servant 1 2

3 3 4 She trying to distract him even more... He had enough playing games with her and oneshotted her which brought time to strike him with iron 1 2

Sweetie if this was standard Storm... He would have tanked it like he's done before along with other X-men power 1 laughing that you thought standard Storm was a threat LMAOOOO

Storm was stated to be powerful than Adversary and powerful enough to take him with just her god head alone. 1 2

Amplifying her powers with faith she defeated Adversary and Seal him 1 2

Umm Adversary defeated the Wakandan Gods which consist of Thoth, who can fight Seth, Bast, who defeated Mephisto and is stated by marvel to be multiversal along with the other gods.

According to the handbook to confirm this Storm godhead defeated Adversary with her power alone it was not bfr.


I can't believe you had the nerve for coming at me about context.... When you did not read the full saga and it shows. You got most of your information wrong.
 
Antvasima said:
I will unlock the Storm (Marvel Comics) page. Tell me here when you are done.
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So you literally gonna defend a person, who just posted literally everything out of context??? Lmao I'm so done with this. You don't even fact check yourself. Just about 99% of everything he posted was flat out wrong.
 
@Kasyacarey: You have a serious attitude issue when people disagree with you. Try to fix it. These are just comic book characters. There's no need to get so worked up. And I posted a link to the entire comic. Ant can read it if he wants to and reevaluate his position.
 
No sweetie you're the only one that disagree and I don't have a problem with. But when you post out of context scans... To make me look like a fool then that's a problem. And then have the nerve the insult me about everything I post.

Not all that you didn't even read the full story and claimed Adversary was afraid of Standard Storm.
 
Okay you posted a link the the comic issue and still took everything out of place.

Instead of doing research you started to ASSUME things like you always do. I literally countered everything you posted with context.
 
ClassicNESfan said:
I didn't review that particular feat, so I don't know much about it.
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See here: https://***************.to/Comic/Uncanny-X-Men-2019/Issue-10?id=148429
 
@Kasyacarey

Calm down immediately. ClassicNESfan has just tried to politely matter of fact analyse the scans you have presented to him.
 
I don't know what to tell you. Black Panther says right in this sca that Adversary considers Storm the main threat because they've fought before... and that definitely isn't referencing to some other storyline where she's empowered by worship. It's referencing X-Men: Fall of the Mutants. Adversary was also undeniably hurt by Zawarvari's attack. You don't scream in pai when you're not being hurt. Your "counters" are similar in effect to nearly every other "counter" on this thread. They are not in line with wiki standards.

Again, Ant is free to reevaluate this in his own time if he feels unsure about it, but I'm done with this analysis. I don't tend to give more time than necessary to people who are being rude and ungrateful to me. The only reason I've stuck around this long is because Ant said he appreciated the help.
 
@ant I find it hilarious on how bias you are. You're literally liking this person comments and agreeing with him even though he is wrong.

1. This who did not read the entire storyline. So He assumed Adversary did not know about Storm

2. Posted out of context scans

3. Started assuming things like Adversary was afraid of standard Storm, When even standard Storm combined with the other X-man power could not faze him

4. Didn't even bother to read in the same issue it was stated Adversary defeated the wakandan gods.
 
Okay. Thank you for the help and sorry about the bother. I will close this thread.
 
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