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5-C???? Storm

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Well, I am not comfortable with allowing an upgrade to 2-A for either Roma, The Adversary, or Storm without input from the most knowledgeable members in the wiki when it comes to Marvel, so you will have to ask them for input first.
 
Why not Roma and Adversary?

Roma has lots of 2-A feats she's stronger than Captain Britain with Excalibur and Amulet of the right which had the power to split the multiple and destroy pan dimension which had a nexus. Adversary has shown time and after he is stronger than her.
 
My example was obviously an extreme case, but it is still a valid illustration of the insane degrees of inconsistency that permeates the entire Marvel setting.
 
Kasyacarey said:
Why not Roma and Adversary?

Roma has lots of 2-A feats she's stronger than Captain Britain with Excalibur and Amulet of the right which had the power to split the multiple and destroy pan dimension which had a nexus. Adversary has shown time and after he is stronger than her.
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Most Marvel stories and writers don't remotely take into account the full established power scaling chains for the characters involved in matchups. However, since X-Man legitimately displayed an "At least Low 2-C" power level in the same story, that should probably be safer to scale from.
 
Roma

-tanked and overpowered an attack from Mastermind using the powers of Excalibur and Amulet of the Right. Which had the power to split a multiverse and destroy a pan dimension which has a nexus

-Her pocket dimension is a multiverse

- Stated to be equal to Merlyn in power

-She manipulated the core structure of the starlight citadel which is a Nexus.

-Can control time and space on a multiversal scale

- stated her powers equal her title "multiversal guardian" and more

-Strongest being in Otherworld

-Stated she could easily stop ALL of the matrix energy from collapsing.

Adversary

-Defeated Roma and held her captive

-Took control over the entire Starlight Citadel which is a nexus

-Stronger than Mystic Forge, who stalemated Darkchylde Magik in Limbo

-Easily blocked Darkchylde Magik powers

-Defeated Roma in X-factor and defeated her again at full power.

-Mephisto complimented his power

Roma and Adversary should be at least 2-B if not 2-A

Why are you only scaling her off X-man+Nate Gray? She only hit them with a blast from messing her with mind.

Her real feat is statements and power of being stronger than Adversary.
 
Okay. That actually seems to be a pretty good argument, but I don't see why you constantly refuse to contact the members that I mentioned earlier to ask them to comment here.
 
I contacted everyone you mentioned though lol. I had to venture out find more marvel fans and get their opinion.
 
You can tell them that I would appreciate the help.
 
It is very unfortunate that I do not get more help with the Marvel threads nowadays.
 
Okay. You can remind the people that you asked earlier if you wish. Just make sure to briefly specify what you need their help with.
 
I've been summoned.

Can't say that I'm familiar with this line of comics, but the reasoning above seems pretty solid.

I did also hear something about a recalculation that was needed though, that still required?
 
So what statistics should we give Storm's "Empowered by sufficient worship" key?
 
Based on the above, Storm should go to At least 2-B, likely 2-A. I don't feel completely comfortable with sending her straight to 2-A, especially as while Kasy has a good argument, I would love to see scans for at least some of those feats
 
Okay. Thank you for the input.
 
I suppose so.

@Crimson

What should the justifications for the new statistics say?
 
I think that we should only mention that she overpowered the Adversary, who is more powerful than Roma, and X-Man, who could create entire new timelines.
 
I think it should be (overpowered Adversary, who defeated the most powerful being in Otherworld Roma and hurt Life seed Nate grey fused with Legion)
 
I suppose something like that might be fine.
 
What exactly is being proposed here? The opening arguments are going on about a 5-C storm, but then the most recent posts are suggesting as high as 2-A.
 
Storm apparently beat the Adversary, who in turn has beaten Roma, and also seemingly overpowered X-Man at a time when he was powerful enough to create entire universes. However, I am uncertain what statistics exactly we should scale her to when empowered by worship.
 
While I disagree with the apocalyptic take on Marvel Comics's consistency, I agree that scaling Standard Storm to anything higher than Tier 5 is extremely outlierish, considering her average feats are way lower than that, and she's almost never [consistently] fought anyone who coulda been said to be that high.

About the gamma-ray feat, it's probably what Ant said. Real life gamma ray bursts are radioactive, extremely-hot blasts of energy that are concentrated enough to easily blast right through the atmosphere and the magnetic field and destroy all life through radiation, and this is what every scientist means when they talk about supernovas or gamma-ray blasts "destroying Earth."

Storm protecting the Earth from this sort of life-wiping is impressive, indeed, but it's probably not even Tier 5. Consider that solar flares/solar storms can achieve similar feats (even after having their energy depleted from months of travel) and yet even at the epicenter they're only 6-A at the very most. Storm would have only needed to shield the planet from a portion of the full energy of the gamma ray burst.

The clouds themselves are probably the most impressive part of the feat. Our new standards would put them somewhere in the Low 6-B to 6-B range.
 
Thank you for helping out.

We are currently discussing what value we should place in her second statistics key when empowered by worship.
 
@Kasyacarey, since you seem to be the mastermind behind this key, what would you like Storm's second key to be tiered as and what would you give as the justifications?
 
@Kepekley23 actually the gamma rays was supposed to heat up the earth and destroy everyone.

That's why Storm using gamma rays herself countered it and deflected the full powered Gamma rays.

Storm with a weaker feat summoned solar winds around the planet had the power to ablaze the atmosphere.
 
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Can someone make a key for Hadari Yao Storm


At least Multiverse level, likely Multiverse level+ (Overpowered Adversary, and far superior to Roma, the strongest being in Otherworld)
 
But what are Roma's and the Adversary's statistics based on?
 
I mean, can somebody properly explain why they are Multiverse level or Multiverse level+?
 
Kasyacarey said:
Roma
-tanked and overpowered an attack from Mastermind using the powers of Excalibur and Amulet of the Right. Which had the power to split a multiverse and destroy a pan dimension which has a nexus

-Her pocket dimension is a multiverse

- Stated to be equal to Merlyn in power

-She manipulated the core structure of the starlight citadel which is a Nexus.

-Can control time and space on a multiversal scale

- stated her powers equal her title "multiversal guardian" and more

-Strongest being in Otherworld

-Stated she could easily stop ALL of the matrix energy from collapsing.

Adversary

-Defeated Roma and held her captive

-Took control over the entire Starlight Citadel which is a nexus

-Stronger than Mystic Forge, who stalemated Darkchylde Magik in Limbo

-Easily blocked Darkchylde Magik powers

-Defeated Roma in X-factor and defeated her again at full power.

-Mephisto complimented his power

Roma and Adversary should be at least 2-B if not 2-A

Why are you only scaling her off X-man+Nate Gray? She only hit them with a blast from messing her with mind.

Her real feat is statements and power of being stronger than Adversary.
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