it's almost like saiyans get stronger in battle
Implies broly made them stronger then ever which means he has to be stronger than jiren to do that. This is a reference to the movie. Ch.42
第11宇宙最強の戦士。
Ask Planck to explain things like this to you.
第11宇宙最強の戦士。
I read in a different thread that the difference between low 2-C and 2-C is just a very high finite amount that we don't know so it's assumed any number of multiplication or such a thing won't cross over, that's why the creation trio once got above by scaling (that was removed and it was decided to never do that, but it was done)
Better choice
第11宇宙最強の戦士。
Cap.....mangas>>>> animes
hm you know that mods aren't omniscient beings who know everything about tiering system right? their opinions isn't superior to blue users opinions
No, anime is the main canon.
I'm for keeping the ratings as I am for closing this, this discussion is going nowhere- and has been had before with more staff input
I personally would prefer at least low-2c likely 2-c for beerus, champa, the god clown, gogeta, broly, mui goku.
Sorry but I did a lot of research but I can't find that book, I found like half but not all of it and didn't find the section about ki and stuff. But I am sure that it's on there, the db wiki has that statement referenced in two different articles that it's in daizenshuu 7 and it's on power levels article and ki article which I already linked so it's not like they are gonna lie about it. Daizenshuu 7 is official so that statement is usable as proof.
Wow thank you.
It's note this him literally leaving a reference to the movie in the manga. He even says to go watch the the movie in the manga. And their is only one version of broly and that's movie. Their is no manga broly
Yeah the events of dbs broly are canon to both the manga and anime, but those events in powerscaling are very different. That statement would only apply in the case of the manga scaling but anime scaling has nothing to do with that statement.
The anime movies were considered canon and belong to Super despite the name.
Nah, the manga is the main canon. Not only does Toriyama state the movies follow his manga and the movies ARE canon to the manga (The ROF manga even directly ties into the movie), but besides the official timeline stating the manga is the main canon, Toriyama repeatedly states the manga follows his script closer and the anime constantly needs to be corrected.
Because the Anime came first? Pretty sure that's how most people settle which is Canon or not.
But manga is ahead of the anime
The daizenshuu is literally canon and serves as the guide and encyclopedia for dragon ball and it's made by people who had worked with toriyama and it's approved by the man himself. Just because it has inconsistency doesn't mean it's out right wrong, what about the examples where it's consistent or even shows a bigger power gap than necessary? Like for example Gohan stomping cell, or losing to cell with half power only to overpower him at full power, or goku not one shotting but still overpowering hit when he's 10x stronger. Also your vegeta vs goku example is bad, 2x your opponent means you stomp completely not just be unable to keep up, goku couldn't keep up all with vegeta in base and vegeta was holding back then in kaioken 2x, he was able to draw blood from vegeta but was still weaker and in kaioken 3x he still was struggling with vegeta but was overpowering him still but even then vegeta was able to hold his kamehameha in kaioken 3x and goku required to be 4x to finally beat vegeta. You can beat an opponent decisively without being 2x. Oh and BTW the KK 4x kamehameha didn't kill vegeta.
Secondary canon, it’s still canon, it’s not the same as non-canon. And I’ve never said it’s wrong, I said it’s inconsistent, so we can’t really use it. The daizenshuu’s information may also be even less credible for this topic, because they were made entirely for the Dragon Ball Manga, and as we understand, DBS Anime is a continuation of the DBZ anime, which is in so many ways different from the manga, so the Daizenshuu holds barely any weight to how their information affects the DBS Anime
Well just because it's inconsistent doesn't mean we can't use it. Sometimes SSJ isn't always a consistent 50x multiplier but it's still used and sometimes kaioken is too like how kk 10x isn't enough to one shot hit but that doesn't mean that the multiplier is all wrong and can't be used. Also you made a big error, DBS anime and manga follow the DBZ manga not the DBZ anime. GT is what follows the DBZ anime but not super though. IMO if it's coming from a source approved by the AUTHOR then it's very credible and reliable.
A thread here gives scans about which db is connected to which, and according to the scans at around the 2017 area, it says that DBS Anime is a continuation of the DBZ Anime. And my point isn’t if it comes from the author or not, the point is that the daizenshuu; which was made for the DB Manga, has to be proven it is also connected to the DBS anime. Which, as we know now, the DBS anime and the DB manga aren’t very closely related
Um, the daizenshuu takes from the DBZ manga and the DBS anime also takes from the DBZ manga, it basically explains the things that happen in the DBZ manga and the DBS anime is the continuation of the DBZ manga. Daizenshuu is basically the facts of DB verse and DBS is in the DB verse, and it isn't like toriyama gave DBS to a dudes who didn't know shit about DB either, everyone in toei responsible for super have worked on DB before and since they are the writers then it's literally given that they know about this basic stuff, it obvious man, like we aren't gonna say "SSJ isn't 50x in super because it's only 50x in DBZ manga because daizenshuu said so and daizenshuu was made for the manga only", it doesn't work like that, and that's it yeah.
I am pretty sure this is it.
