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Ultimately were going to need scans from the guide books to pull this off
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2-C Dragon Ball Super upgrade
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scans of wat
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The statement, like an image of it from the book, there going to want that before they accept it
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No, they'd want the scan from the actual daizenshuu, these might be able to substitute as a very big stretch, but it's unlikely, the image includes it's edition and page number so all hope isn't lost
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These are my proposals
Son Goku (Ultra Instinct): Low Multiverse level (Completely outmatched Full Power Jiren, who was stated to possess abilities greater than the Gods of Destruction)
Jiren (Burning Ultimate Warrior): Low Multiverse level (Fought on par with Ultra Instinct Goku)
Gogeta (Super Saiyan Blue): Low Multiverse level (Completely outmatched Full Power Super Saiyan Broly, who was stated by Son Goku to “probably” be stronger than Beerus)
For the "Completely outmatched" parts of the justifications, there should be an explanation blog as to why that part is necessary for the 2-C rating. I could probably make a sandbox for the blog post, and maybe I could have some suggestions
Son Goku (Ultra Instinct): Low Multiverse level (Completely outmatched Full Power Jiren, who was stated to possess abilities greater than the Gods of Destruction)
Jiren (Burning Ultimate Warrior): Low Multiverse level (Fought on par with Ultra Instinct Goku)
Gogeta (Super Saiyan Blue): Low Multiverse level (Completely outmatched Full Power Super Saiyan Broly, who was stated by Son Goku to “probably” be stronger than Beerus)
For the "Completely outmatched" parts of the justifications, there should be an explanation blog as to why that part is necessary for the 2-C rating. I could probably make a sandbox for the blog post, and maybe I could have some suggestions
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Um that's literally what's written on the daizenshuu.
Bro those justifications aren't any different from the current ones. They're good but they don't have to replace the current ones IMO.
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We should still preferably have a blog post for the 2-C justification, just like how Cell has a 4-B justification blog
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I'd hope so, but there still going to want to actual book scans eventually, we might very well be good for now, if you are confident in the this being what's on the Daizenshuu, past scans from them had to come from someone or somewhere, so if were lucky that part will sort itself out
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There won't be much to say really, it can just fit in the justifications even which is already there, but if you really wanna do it then go ahead.
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I have a question, toppo is at the level of gods of destruction l, since he is the candidate to be the next GoD, has estate which called "God of destruction Toppo!" And is stated to be at the level of gods.
Vegeta in ssbe was capable of nullifying, overpowering his attack which in the wiki, you need to have 2x the energy to do that.
So ssbe and ssbkk20 goku and vegeta can get possible 2-C rating but that's unlikely.
So if base gogeta scales to ssbkk20 and ssbe wouldn't he also get "at least low 2-C, possible 2-c" in base?
Vegeta in ssbe was capable of nullifying, overpowering his attack which in the wiki, you need to have 2x the energy to do that.
So ssbe and ssbkk20 goku and vegeta can get possible 2-C rating but that's unlikely.
So if base gogeta scales to ssbkk20 and ssbe wouldn't he also get "at least low 2-C, possible 2-c" in base?
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Toppo doesn't scale to the other GoDs, He scales 20x above ssb vegeta who can push jiren more than sign 1 goku which doesn't qualify.
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I don't think so, he was only said to be a GoD not actually as strong as them.
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Weird, let me see if I can find any statements
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Whis stated Jiren was possibly stronger than the GoDs when he was suppressed and pushing back the spirit bomb. Anybody that level and higher should have the tier.
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scan?
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Goku and Beerus threatened one universe, Beerus and Champa threatened two, but that certainly does not mean the sum of Beerus and Champa's combined power is only twice the sum of Goku and Beerus's power, unless they've been fighting for infinitesimal fractions of growth, which isn't true. If that was the case, by the time Goku attains SSB for the first time he should be capable of doing the same thing. Or when he absorbed SSG's power into his other forms.
I think the easiest and most sensible way to scale it is anybody stronger than Infinite Zamasu. We have evidence he took over one universe, and was about to flow into the present universe and take that as well. Suppressed Jiren is stated to be stronger than any of the past enemies, which includes Zamasu.
If you want to get really technical, Infinite Zamasu is just Fused Zamasu without a body. Goku already pushed one of his attacks back by himself at the cost of his arms, Vegito destroyed him, and Trunks cut him in half while massively amped.
I think the easiest and most sensible way to scale it is anybody stronger than Infinite Zamasu. We have evidence he took over one universe, and was about to flow into the present universe and take that as well. Suppressed Jiren is stated to be stronger than any of the past enemies, which includes Zamasu.
If you want to get really technical, Infinite Zamasu is just Fused Zamasu without a body. Goku already pushed one of his attacks back by himself at the cost of his arms, Vegito destroyed him, and Trunks cut him in half while massively amped.
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I disagree with kelfa during that battle Goku was not at his peak and even whis said he is not capable of using ui's complete offensive capabilities properly because of his battle with jiren
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I find it even more hilarious that people seriously think suppressed Jiren is above GoDs, people start taking word out of their context
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wasn’t it literally stated that ?
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Toppo is stronger than Sidra by feats alone and not by hype. Sidra couldn't even erase Frieza with a portion of hakai and destroyed a city. Toppo warped an infinite realm and used a pebble-sized hakai against Frieza and destroyed him 9 ways from Sunday.
Of course, nobody is ready for that argument though.
Of course, nobody is ready for that argument though.
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What do you mean? Kefla is stronger than sign 1 and sign 2 is even stronger than that past that the scaling just goes into 2-C if we accept jiren suppressed as being GoD level.
Bruh, sidra used a tiny portion of hakai to kill frieza, nothing close to full power, bad argument.
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Sidra's own Supreme Kai said he was too much for them. Frieza also destroyed two of his hakai balls with casual death beams and literally made a joke of the third one, which Beerus blew off of Goku with his breath. Again, Toppo's casual hakai of the same size warped an infinite realm. Sidra has no better feats or even rumors, he's just strong by association of the others in his profession. His universe is also the bottom ranked universe of all 12.
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Well this is evidence to downgrade sidra not upgrade toppo for just the reasons you mentioned but this isn't the thread for that.
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Suppressed Jiren would get lolstomped by any God of Destruction. Also, I don't think MUI Goku is two times Beerus, at most he might be currently 5 to 10% above Beerus power.
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I thought this was for figuring out 2-C? I'm just throwing points out.
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wasnt it stated that a suppresed jiren already might be stronger then a g.o.d?
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Beerus has been a GoD for almost 100 million years and still hasn't mastered UI whereas Goku has done so in under an hour (insane to think about). Full power Jiren might be at GoD level or surpass it, but his limit breaker form absolutely smites the GoDs in my opinion.
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Suppressed jiren should definitely be above his own god of destruction, there was no statement about him being stronger than God of destruction in his full power.
After just powering up a bit and by just walking, he made the whole world of void get shaken and made beerus sweat like crazy.
He even commented about it and was extremely nervous at how much a mortal can posese
After just powering up a bit and by just walking, he made the whole world of void get shaken and made beerus sweat like crazy.
He even commented about it and was extremely nervous at how much a mortal can posese
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Statements clearly refer that he is like a god of destruction in terms of a mindset, he has power that only gods of destruction has, he is called a god of destruction and he is the next candidate to being the god of destruction if U11
All these evidences are conclusive enough that toppo is indeed at the level of Gods, even if you want to say he is the weakest GoD, he would still scale to whis and vados quote, thus anyone who stomps or was Capeable if nullifying or suppressing one of his ki blasts , which the daizenshu states that you need to output at leats 2x the energy in order to do so.
So it could make ssbe vegeta to have "at least low 2-c, likely 2-c"
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Good point, but toppo crt should be a different thread so lets just get this accepted first ok
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Well I do agree it should be for another thread, but it's very much crucial
Because if we proved (I believe the evidence I gave is enough) that toppo is at the level of gods, this would certainly effect vegeta since he was Capeable of overpowering and kinda nullifying toppo's hakai ball, which would mean vegeta would get potential 2-c which is very crucial to the scaling of broly, mui goku, jiren and gogeta
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Yeah, if toppo was half 2-C then vegeta would be 2-C and kk20 goku which makes suppressed jiren 2-C and android 18 at least low 2-C with barriers, full power jiren and sign 3 goku would be way higher into 2-C and MUI goku and hidden power jiren would be even higher than that. But this wouldn't effect broly scaling at all. This is all IF toppo is accepted to be at least low 2-C
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Well it won't effect broly scaling, but the others could get effected.
Toppo stated to be a god of destruction, thinks like one, has the same energy as one, his transformation is called "god of destruction toppo " and he is the next candidate for being the god of destruction. Note: this could he either me comparable to belmod enough that he is chosen to be the next God of destruction. You can argue that he may be as strong weaker or stronger. But the main point is that they are relative to each other and thus the 2-C rule should definitely be applied to him
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