2-A Xenoverse/Heroes

[Bluetrekking]

I don't see how "history" correlates with timelines here.

We currently "History" and "world" to denote the multiverse. If we no longer do this (which I don't necessarily agree with) DBH and DBX would be downgraded.

As for history referring to a singular timeline, I disagree. We see Fu say that History is not linear. This is important because, as the name suggests, a timeline is linear. And if a timeline is not linear, it cannot be named a "timeline"

 

[Kepekley23]

A DB-focused guy with 2 edits & who hasn't been on the wiki for 2 years suddenly reawakes to post on a DBX thread...

 

[Akreious]

^

Oof

 

[The_Causality]

Completely disagree about the DBX/H ban rule

Really

 

[AKM sama]

I agree wih Blue, in this context "history" seems to be referring to "timelines".

 

[SSJRyu1]

It states in the context of Fu messing with multiple timelines and lumping them as part of "history"

"History isn't linear. And it's certainly not finite. It's formed from a vast network of countless events"

It is refering to how history is not one linear path or timeline, and how it was formed from many past diverging events and timelines. It has already been formed, as it is history, not potential futures like some people on here speculated in the past due to the word possibilities, as in we are dealing with a non finite, or by extension infinite number of diverging timelines that are written as history.

https://imgur.com/a/sDItIO6

So it is proof of infinte timelines if you look at context.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

"A vast network of countless events" refers to the branching timelines, which by their own mechanic and the own quote are countless, not infinite. The quote debunks itself. History not being finite doesn't mean it is infinite. It isn't finite because new timelines are always created and changed.

 

[Wokistan]

Somethi g being forever increasing fits the bill for not finite while not being infinite. There's no upper limit, but it wont ever get to the point of true infinity because that's not something you can get to just by adding fotever. This is deep into 2+B, but not 2-A.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah it is the strongest 2-B can be but not 2-A by sheer definition.

 

[Beerus1000]

some of you people are being deluded.history obviously refers to timelines in this context.whoever denies that has obviously never played xenoverse or heroes.and no its not vague its commonsense its referring to timelines this is xenoverse/heroes where they deal with timelines.this is the only way they ever dealt with history.it was with timelines and not the other way around but i guess this wiki is becoming biased agaisnt dragonball

 

[SSJRyu1]

History by definition is a set of events already completed and set, not potential or future ones. The fact they state that past events and number of timelines are not finite shows that already existing timelines are infinite in number by extension. Countless can be a synonum for infnite as well. It is vauge is why we assume its finite to low ball, but it does not contradict infinite statements. The fact he says the number of deviations set in history is "certainly not finite" is extremely specific and makes a point of emphasizing it as infinite deviating pasts, not possibilities or futures.

 

[Akreious]

Technically, "Countless" could also apply to "Infinite" Since you can't count Infinity, so... that's a thing.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No, history is constantly being written. And in this context he is talking about timelines continuously being created and changed in a countless number.

Countless =/= Infinite.

You can write numerous paragraphs but all that will be is an extrapolation of a quote about how timelines are created.

@Beerus

Please no need to insult those that disagree by calling them "Deluded". The screenshot speaks for itself and is no evidence of infinite timelines.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Technically, "Countless" could also apply to "Infinite" Since you can't count Infinity, so... that's a thing.

We don't accept the word countless as to mean infinite.

First of all:

The word infinite isn't used in the quote.

Secondly, the way timelines work in Dragon Ball means that there cannot be infinite.

 

[Beerus1000]

besides it should of already been infinite if we were to use logic since each time a new timeline would pop up a new timeline would pop up from the new timeline and so on due to story taking different paths so it would go on this way infinitely already making the timelines infinite if we use logic

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No Beerus the only person not using logic is you right now. You are saying one can literally count to infinity through linear addition.

 

[Bluetrekking]

The way timelines work in DBX has been retconned to an extent after Infinite History.

 

[Akreious]

"The word infinite isn't used in the quote.

Secondly, the way timelines work in Dragon Ball means that there cannot be infinite."

Infinite means "Not Finite". You know what Fu said? :L

And did you seriously just... ignore all of the above reasonings?

"Countless =/= Infinite.

You can write numerous paragraphs but all that will be is an extrapolation of a quote about how timelines are created."

And even then, how in the balls do you count infinity? Countless definitely applies to Infinity as yes, you cannot count to Infinity. Since there's no finite number.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Matt. Your going to have to prove he is refering to timelines not yet created. Becouse History by definition is a past set of events that have already happened. Therefore if the number of timelines or deviations in History is not finite, then it is refering to existing deviations that have already ccured, by definition, not ones that may occurr in the future. Events that have yet to occur or could occur are by definition not part of history.

Countless is irrelivent. It can be anything that cannot be counted including infiite. The reason it is infinite is due to him directly saying "certainly not finite", in relation to the deviating number of timelines that are part of history.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No it hasn't been retconned. The line says that history isn't finite.

Why is that? Because timelines are always being created by diverging choices and actions.

That's it, there's nothing else to it. This line changes absolutely nothing, and just reinforces what we already knew.

There's no reasoning to ignore. This quote doesn't say that there are infinite timelines, thus no upgrade will be had.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No Ryu, history in this case refers to what is currently occuring, not what has. Timelines cannot be infinite by virtue of how they are created in Dragon Ball. There cannot be infinite timelines in the past, nor in the future.

Countless is irrelevant when it contradicts you but many are trying to say countless = infinite here. Besides countless is almost always considered hyperbolic. In this way it isn't because of how the multiverse works.

The number is not finite. It is always increasing and it is a number that cannot be counted.

But it isn't infinite. It can never be infinite.

 

[The_Everlasting]

This thread is a dead-end. It's already been rejected and won't go anywhere now.

It doesn't need to stay open.