High School DxD Downgrade: 2-A Cosmology

[Phoenks]

Big issue with these DxD threads is they're constantly getting stonewalled as well, making it difficult for staff to even review them in the first place.

Many of the supporters continually repost the same arguments (or sometimes no arguments at all) despite them already being addressed. You can see this very apparent on this thread as well.

Unfortunately, discussion mods seemingly never stop this from happening either.

I feel the OP is already blatant enough, though, as much as it is ridiculous as well.

Btw, yes, I've disagreed with the vast majority of the recent revisions to the verse because most are just as dubious and ridiculous as this one. Similarly, they've only been applied because of a lack of further staff inspection to what should be extremely easy to deduce as nothing more than overly-generous and typically downright disingenuous interpretations of scans.

Unfortunately, I do not want to continually have to go through with being the only one to actually look through that stuff, only to be stonewalled time and time again. As you can see, even Franz here has to deal with that. I can't imagine that's fun for him either.

Simply having or mentioning that "possibilities" exist doesn't mean much in of itself and you have to prove their actualization as timelines for that to count towards the tiering. Most of these scans, as mentioned many times, are either completely hyperbolic (and unserious) or are just abstract and vague statements regarding potentiality.

There's also absolutely not enough evidence to just cross-scale the verse to the Many Worlds Interpretation. Even in verses where MWI is explicitly mentioned, that is not something the wiki does at all. We only base cosmologies on the feats and statements they have. We don't allow that kind of cross scaling to established ideas.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Big issue with these DxD threads is they're constantly getting stonewalled as well, making it difficult for staff to even review them in the first place.

Many of the supporters continually repost the same arguments (or sometimes no arguments at all) despite them already being addressed. You can see this very apparent on this thread as well.

I think both sides do it to a considerable degree, and it's a bit disingenuous to argue otherwise, you can point to numerous threads where the same thing happened here happened as well and it wasn't just supporters doing it.

 

[BlackeJan]

I will also be honest here. Idk anything when it comes to 3-A and above so I keep my mouth shut on those topics, but even I gave up regarding the recent revisions because of how inaccurate it was and knew even if I said anything it was gonna be ignored. I was reported and treated as such unkindly, just for them to now seem then fighting off something that is apparently not an accurate CRT that even Helen Keller could see it. What’s even more disappointing however is staff NOT doing the job they r suppose to do and actually take a look at CRTs cause now we got a mess on our hands. I said it before and I’ll say it again, I think the previous CRTs that were accepted needs to be looked at again so we know it’s accurate and not inflated results

Now then….can we PLEASE get staff here to conclude this thread

 

[Deceived3596]

I agree with the OP.

I don't find the counter arguments convincing, with them seemingly being extrapolations from personal interpretation without concrete backing from the series's cosmological structuring. Additionally, assuming what @Vietthai96 said is true, that the Anime studio introduced entirely different scenes and events that didn't occur in the Light Novel, and eventually caused the literal Author of the series to retroactively change events to address them, it seems like a kneecap to the most supportive piece of the evidence for the scaling, in my opinion.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Additionally, assuming what @Vietthai96 is true, that the Anime studio introduced entirely different scenes and events that didn't occur in the Light Novel, and eventually caused the literal Writer of the series to retroactively change events to address them, seems like a kneecap for the most supportive piece of the evidence for the scaling, in my opinion.

This isn't true btw, explanation as to why can be found here. Kinda funny how we assume things are true without the people saying them providing a lick of evidence.

 

[BlackeJan]

This isn't true btw, explanation as to why can be found here. Kinda funny how we assume things are true without the people saying them providing a lick of evidence.

If what he said is true though then ya know your supporting argument isn’t gonna work

Yall need to show where it’s stated that the anime studio has shown to change things and the author created an episode to fix it cause I can’t in mind accept such a a fact if I dont know if it exist

 

[Vietthai96]

This isn't true btw, explanation as to why can be found here. Kinda funny how we assume things are true without the people saying them providing a lick of evidence.

Ayo, i decided to read the blog, so, no offense

In BorN's canonicity section, the suppose praise from Ishi who is the author, i checked the date of the twitter post, it is from 2012 to 2013, BorN was released in middle of 2014, so idk how this suppose praise hold up, DxD EX was released in middle of 2015, one year later, funny is, the EX novel was released as a part of Blu-Ray bundle. Some of other screenshots do not have date, but from the tone of the, it was before BorN officially air on TV, such as this. This scan show the table of three TNK anime seasons with one separate picture of the Season 4, no context was provided in this screenshot to actually prove there are connected, of course, i can understand why you have such conclusion so i will leave it as it be, still doesn't change the fact that Hero Episode 0 retcon half of BorN. So it seem like my assertion that something wrong with TNK DxD season 3 that make Ishi decided to change studio and retcon BorN is more valid

HERO's inconsistencies section

1. First, Episode 0 is just a sped up recap episode, and it's main purpose was to introduce the audience to the new artstyle

No proof for this, literally, and if they just want to recap and introduce new artstyle, why went out of their way to tell completely different events??. Of course Juggernaut Drive Vali vs Juggernaut Drive Issei wasn't in LN, but it still lead to the same ending as LN, as in LN, Issei need to hear to Boob song which i forgot the name, and touch Rias's nipples to break out of JD

2. Second, the events of Episode 3's flashback isn't the only event to have happened off screen, we know that a version of Issei vs Sirzechs (Volume 8) happened in the anime's timeline as well but it isn't shown on screen either, and there was a period of time where it could've happened as well. (After BorN but before HERO.) Third, same as the last point and a period of time where it could've taken place is between Episode 3 and 4 of BorN.

Mostly guess, in BorN, Rating game between Rias and Sona never happen, in Hero, it was confirmed to be off-screen, where do you get the ideas that it is also off-screen, same with other events from LN
There the big problem with the claim that 4 anime seasons is one single timeline is, literally after the Episode 0, nothing in Hero confirmed the existence of later half of what happened in BorN, cause the whole mind hax shit was BorN exclusive

Anyway, i need to sleep now, bye, anyway again, i didn't really deny anime being its own timeline, just some information need to be cleared

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Ayo, i decided to read the blog, so, no offense

In BorN's canonicity section, the suppose praise from Ishi who is the author, i checked the date of the twitter post, it is from 2012 to 2013, BorN was released in middle of 2014, so idk how this suppose praise hold up,

The posts predating the release of BorN were meant to show the praise of Ishibumi to the staff that worked on BorN. (as the staff was mostly consistent throughout the first three seasons)

This scan show the table of three TNK anime seasons with one separate picture of the Season 4, no context was provided in this screenshot to actually prove there are connected, of course,

I mean, when a picture of a timeline is placed next to an image of a new event. Logically that would mean that event would occur on the same timeline.

i can understand why you have such conclusion so i will leave it as it be, still doesn't change the fact that Hero Episode 0 retcon half of BorN.

How does it retcon anything from BorN?

So it seem like my assertion that something wrong with TNK DxD season 3 that make Ishi decided to change studio and retcon BorN is more valid

How???

HERO's inconsistencies section

No proof for this, literally, and if they just want to recap and introduce new artstyle, why went out of their way to tell completely different events??.

"Completely Different" Brother it's literally the same thing, just in a different artstyle, the only difference is the time the song was played.

Of course Juggernaut Drive Vali vs Juggernaut Drive Issei wasn't in LN, but it still lead to the same ending as LN, as in LN, Issei need to hear to Boob song which i forgot the name, and touch Rias's nipples to break out of JD

If Hero had stuff not in the LN which is your main reason for BorN not being canon, then how is Hero canon? Like, this is the most cherrypicked argument ever dude.

Mostly guess, in BorN, Rating game between Rias and Sona never happen, in Hero, it was confirmed to be off-screen, where do you get the ideas that it is also off-screen, same with other events from LN
There the big problem with the claim that 4 anime seasons is one single timeline is, literally after the Episode 0, nothing in Hero confirmed the existence of later half of what happened in BorN, cause the whole mind hax shit was BorN exclusive

Sorry, can't understand what you're saying here.