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Good morning, I will be brief with the presentation, the power scale of the verse of Record Of Ragnarok or Shuumatsu no Valkyrie, I consider that it is very underestimated, in general several characters not just one, here I will give my reasons why
In Zeus's profile from the vs battle wiki, he is listed as planetary level, when in fact he has various indications of being Universal level easily, it is mentioned that he created everything out of nothing on a whim, and if he doesn't like it, he will return it everything to nothing.
In general, the statement doesn't change much throughout the translations and the anime only further reinforces what is said in the manga. (The message is the same.). Zeus obviously didn't create time, since his father Cronus logically exists before Zeus's birth and he is the personification of time, so Zeus is just creating matter and everything physical in the universe, and since the statement that he can reduce everything to nothing is said right after he created everything, meaning that he can destroy all matter. This doesn't seem to be hyperbole at all, there is no context to tell us otherwise, therefore this statement should be taken word for word, anyway Zeus is the strongest and most powerful god, and his brother Poseidon his
the power is represented with the depth of the ocean the closer we get to his true strength the sword touching the bottom represents Sasaki reading poseidon fully so at the same time poseidon fully scans Sasaki scans everything that literally exists. it scans the entire cosmology of RoR, Sasaki scans it only by fully reading Poseidon, implying that Poseidon has power similar to that of the entire universe, Zeus is superior to Poseidon, this is universal to both.
Another thing, the FTL speed I think falls short of this verse, from characters that have infinite speed, and MFTL + speed. The general accepted speed for RoR is FTL, due to this feat performed by Zeus.
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However, this feat is done casually, so Zeus could easily be much faster than that, what do I mean by this? There are enough arguments and reasons to say that he and the gods participating in the tournament have MFTL+ speed. In chapter 55 of the manga it is explained to us that the whole "World" is divided into 3 levels/layers, Valhalla, midgard and helheim, Midgard obviously refers to the mortal world, which would encompass our universe, since it would not make sense Suppose that Valhalla and Helheim are above and below the earth. it is much simpler and more logical to assume that they are below and above the mortal universe, to suppose that it is inside, it is to suppose that it is there, and to suppose that the mortal universe of RoR is different from the universe of in real life, we would be assuming more things, it is more logical to say that they are above and below the universe respectively. Since these realms are described as layered "meaning they overlap each other" and the only size reference we get is parallel disks, they are likely relative in size. Hades travels down the physical corridor that traverses the entire distance of the mortal universe, between Helheim and Valhalla as soon as he learns of Poseidon's death, Hermes also calls it a long way.
To travel a light year you need a speed of 94,542,549,554,880,000 miles per second, a light year is 31536000× the speed of light, but our universe has a distance of 93,000,000,000 light years, doing some calculations would give us 8.7924571086 ×10^27 miles per second, and that would be... 879,245,710,860,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s, I used an hour as a lowball so it should be even bigger, and the result would be... 2.932848×10^19 times the speed of the light, 29,328,480,000,000,000,000 times faster than light
So 29,328,480,000,000,000,000,000,000 faster than light, traveling the physical distance of the observable universe which is midgard in this scenario in the time frame of 2 fights, I gave it an hour as a low ball as Jack and Heracles fight lasts for 26 minutes and 56 seconds, and the one with Shiva and Raiden is 11 minutes and 16 seconds long, and also because there are clearly some events that take place between the fights.
As for phrases like "that's movement speed, not combat speed" Hades goes down a curved corridor, if he doesn't react to the speed at which he's going he hits a wall and we wouldn't see him as elegant and well dressed when he comes , it is obvious that Hades can react at such speeds, it would also be stupid to think that Hades can react and move at such speeds, that Qin's punches can reach and intercept Hades and that Hades by virtue of fighting compared to qin has no there is such combat speed, thinking otherwise would be like doing mental gymnastics.
Now why this speed would scale the other gods on the list is simple, in the Hades vs Qin fight we can see how Ares effectively sees Hades and Qin moves that are MFTL+, according to Ares he is not your average god, but it is also true that he is not qualified to participate in Ragnarok, he is not one of the most powerful gods, the meaning of power is only the ability to do something, so it means that the participating gods are more capable than Ares, and something else, Hermes also mocks Ares for wanting to participate in Ragnarok. Ares when he raises his hand to replace Buddah's place in Ragnarok and Hermes is like "lol, do you really think we'd consider you for Ragnarok?" if Ares had at least one remarkable stat such as his speed to participate, Hermés would not have insinuated it, making it clear that the participating gods are superior in every way to Ares, therefore logically gods like Zeus have that speed, in fact in his skinny, he was the first to notice that Qin was disturbing the flow of Hades' power with his breath, in a nutshell, he was the first to notice Qin's Ki bullets, to realize that he would have to power Hades's movements and Qin fighting, not to mention that he also talks about the details of the fight later, in his lean and muscular form he scales at MFTL+ speed, and all participating gods scale at that speed as well.
But that's not all, Zeus in his Adamas mode has infinite speed, this is because with the fist that exceeded time, which is literally a time stop, he could not hit Adam, nor did he touch him, instead, when Adam already he was more serious, Zeus managed to touch him by brushing against him, implying that in his Adamas mode he is faster than with the fist that surpassed time. Clearly all this that I am arguing will scale other RoR characters by raising his power scale, Adam is universal, with infinite speed to dodge and damage copying Zeus Adamas mode obviously.
And yes, Heracles having the strength of Zeus is universal, well Heracles does not have the strength of current Zeus, since Zeus cannot be the strongest god but at the same time there is someone who is as strong as him, so It is more logical to assume that Ares, when he mentions that Heracles has the strength of Zeus, refers to the strength of a Zeus from much earlier, much weaker than the current Zeus, so Ares, being comparable to Heracles from before, would be universal as well, and therefore, the gods on the list, being superior to Ares in every way, are universal as well. Yes, I know that it is a very big jump to be able to go from planetary to Universal in the RoR universe, but it is the most reasonable thing to do.
PD: If something is not understood from what I said, it is probably because the thread was made with Google translate because I do not know much English.
In Zeus's profile from the vs battle wiki, he is listed as planetary level, when in fact he has various indications of being Universal level easily, it is mentioned that he created everything out of nothing on a whim, and if he doesn't like it, he will return it everything to nothing.
In general, the statement doesn't change much throughout the translations and the anime only further reinforces what is said in the manga. (The message is the same.). Zeus obviously didn't create time, since his father Cronus logically exists before Zeus's birth and he is the personification of time, so Zeus is just creating matter and everything physical in the universe, and since the statement that he can reduce everything to nothing is said right after he created everything, meaning that he can destroy all matter. This doesn't seem to be hyperbole at all, there is no context to tell us otherwise, therefore this statement should be taken word for word, anyway Zeus is the strongest and most powerful god, and his brother Poseidon his
the power is represented with the depth of the ocean the closer we get to his true strength the sword touching the bottom represents Sasaki reading poseidon fully so at the same time poseidon fully scans Sasaki scans everything that literally exists. it scans the entire cosmology of RoR, Sasaki scans it only by fully reading Poseidon, implying that Poseidon has power similar to that of the entire universe, Zeus is superior to Poseidon, this is universal to both.
Another thing, the FTL speed I think falls short of this verse, from characters that have infinite speed, and MFTL + speed. The general accepted speed for RoR is FTL, due to this feat performed by Zeus.
Record of Ragnarok: Adam and Zeus' Speed
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However, this feat is done casually, so Zeus could easily be much faster than that, what do I mean by this? There are enough arguments and reasons to say that he and the gods participating in the tournament have MFTL+ speed. In chapter 55 of the manga it is explained to us that the whole "World" is divided into 3 levels/layers, Valhalla, midgard and helheim, Midgard obviously refers to the mortal world, which would encompass our universe, since it would not make sense Suppose that Valhalla and Helheim are above and below the earth. it is much simpler and more logical to assume that they are below and above the mortal universe, to suppose that it is inside, it is to suppose that it is there, and to suppose that the mortal universe of RoR is different from the universe of in real life, we would be assuming more things, it is more logical to say that they are above and below the universe respectively. Since these realms are described as layered "meaning they overlap each other" and the only size reference we get is parallel disks, they are likely relative in size. Hades travels down the physical corridor that traverses the entire distance of the mortal universe, between Helheim and Valhalla as soon as he learns of Poseidon's death, Hermes also calls it a long way.
To travel a light year you need a speed of 94,542,549,554,880,000 miles per second, a light year is 31536000× the speed of light, but our universe has a distance of 93,000,000,000 light years, doing some calculations would give us 8.7924571086 ×10^27 miles per second, and that would be... 879,245,710,860,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s, I used an hour as a lowball so it should be even bigger, and the result would be... 2.932848×10^19 times the speed of the light, 29,328,480,000,000,000,000 times faster than light
So 29,328,480,000,000,000,000,000,000 faster than light, traveling the physical distance of the observable universe which is midgard in this scenario in the time frame of 2 fights, I gave it an hour as a low ball as Jack and Heracles fight lasts for 26 minutes and 56 seconds, and the one with Shiva and Raiden is 11 minutes and 16 seconds long, and also because there are clearly some events that take place between the fights.
As for phrases like "that's movement speed, not combat speed" Hades goes down a curved corridor, if he doesn't react to the speed at which he's going he hits a wall and we wouldn't see him as elegant and well dressed when he comes , it is obvious that Hades can react at such speeds, it would also be stupid to think that Hades can react and move at such speeds, that Qin's punches can reach and intercept Hades and that Hades by virtue of fighting compared to qin has no there is such combat speed, thinking otherwise would be like doing mental gymnastics.
Now why this speed would scale the other gods on the list is simple, in the Hades vs Qin fight we can see how Ares effectively sees Hades and Qin moves that are MFTL+, according to Ares he is not your average god, but it is also true that he is not qualified to participate in Ragnarok, he is not one of the most powerful gods, the meaning of power is only the ability to do something, so it means that the participating gods are more capable than Ares, and something else, Hermes also mocks Ares for wanting to participate in Ragnarok. Ares when he raises his hand to replace Buddah's place in Ragnarok and Hermes is like "lol, do you really think we'd consider you for Ragnarok?" if Ares had at least one remarkable stat such as his speed to participate, Hermés would not have insinuated it, making it clear that the participating gods are superior in every way to Ares, therefore logically gods like Zeus have that speed, in fact in his skinny, he was the first to notice that Qin was disturbing the flow of Hades' power with his breath, in a nutshell, he was the first to notice Qin's Ki bullets, to realize that he would have to power Hades's movements and Qin fighting, not to mention that he also talks about the details of the fight later, in his lean and muscular form he scales at MFTL+ speed, and all participating gods scale at that speed as well.
But that's not all, Zeus in his Adamas mode has infinite speed, this is because with the fist that exceeded time, which is literally a time stop, he could not hit Adam, nor did he touch him, instead, when Adam already he was more serious, Zeus managed to touch him by brushing against him, implying that in his Adamas mode he is faster than with the fist that surpassed time. Clearly all this that I am arguing will scale other RoR characters by raising his power scale, Adam is universal, with infinite speed to dodge and damage copying Zeus Adamas mode obviously.
And yes, Heracles having the strength of Zeus is universal, well Heracles does not have the strength of current Zeus, since Zeus cannot be the strongest god but at the same time there is someone who is as strong as him, so It is more logical to assume that Ares, when he mentions that Heracles has the strength of Zeus, refers to the strength of a Zeus from much earlier, much weaker than the current Zeus, so Ares, being comparable to Heracles from before, would be universal as well, and therefore, the gods on the list, being superior to Ares in every way, are universal as well. Yes, I know that it is a very big jump to be able to go from planetary to Universal in the RoR universe, but it is the most reasonable thing to do.
PD: If something is not understood from what I said, it is probably because the thread was made with Google translate because I do not know much English.
