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Please before replying with something like outliers or anything read the full thread. I don't want see Bleach verse getting treated as an outsider in wiki.
It might not seem important, but understanding who gremmy is, or rather. what gremmy is. understanding how his schrift works much more clearly. gremmy thoumeaux is a quincy whose only existing body part is the brain, while the rest of his body is nothing more than a figment of his imagination. not just a random brain. however, but a 'quincy brain
HOW QUINCY POWERS WORK
I could stop here. honestly, i could. but. i also need to specify, as if it wasn't know, that obviously reishi = energy.
Every quincy ability, from hirenkyaku to blut, from vollstanding to literally, as said, any quincy ability, as well shown by the cases of lille and bambietta and their respective 'hax, is based on the reishi manipulation technique known as "REISHIN ESLAVEMENT":
It allows them to collect the reishi of the surrounding environment to increase their reiryoku and. consequently, to exponentially increase the potential of their techniques. but most of all, two important
things are said by askin and yhwach: 1. with the reishi, source of their powers, things can be done in an infinite extent: 2. with the reishi, spaces can be built through its manipulation.
"V" THE
VISIONARY
The visionary, as can be guessed from the different scans, allows gremmy to have a more or less common form of reality warping.
What he imagines, his fantasies, come to reality. whether they are indifferently healing himself. imagining another dead (e.g. guenael lee, rose,kensei), creating a copy of himself with the same amount of his "power of the imagination", they all just become reality.
AND HERE COMES THE PROBLEMS WITH HIS GREATEST FEAT:
THE (In)FAMOUS "OUTER SPACE".
OUTER SPACE FEAT
Again, i might just stop here as the feats and statements come from other author and seinosuke (one of bleach's most authoritative sources, working for the nobles). however, this is precisely where the explanation is needed. As anticipated, in order to understand gremmy's powers. it's necessary to understand his very nature.
Gremmy is a quincy. it has been said and it has been reiterated. a quincy, in order to be able to use their abilities and materialize the powers themselves or, again, create spaces (e.g. shadow world created by yhwach) it's necessary for them to carry out the process clearly defined by uryu. absorb the surrounding reishi, unite it with one's reiryoku, create an output in the form of material power. Gremmy created an outer space. he did it in the literal sense of
the word. it's a creation that requires the use of reishi, the source of the power of the quincy race, as stated by askin. So the conclusion is pretty simple. reishi+reiryoku = energy.
The outer space was created. like the meteor, through the reishi enslavement process. since the creation (and then the disappearance) took place through energy (and given in bleach:creation =destruction), it is directly attributable to gremmy's ap. not being able to be classified as "hax-only" (reality warping), being a creation through energy which produced output is computable in joules.
POSSIBLE COUNTERS
OK, these, for my personal experience during different debates are the counters that are used (by fewer and fewer people. to be honest) to try in some way. sometimes even illogically and against the basic rules of scaling,
TO UNDERESTIMATE THE VISIONARY.
1. The most common, as well as illogical.
"HE OPENED A PORTAL"
If until before the release of the official translations of cfyow this argument could be somehow accepted, from that moment it has expired. reduced to ashes. gremmy. as explained, materialized outer space through a process that requires and uses energy. therefore, by analyzing the additional information obtained from cfyow, we identify two further confirmations.
Starting from the claim "gremmy created outer space", reinforced by the author's statement ("he materialized outer space itself...") and by seinosuke's statement ("the ability to istantounesly create outer space..."). the claim doesn't need to be further proven. conversely. it is the obligation of those who try to debunk this claim that the one created by gremmy is a portal to the outer space and not outer space itself, going against what was established by both kubo and narita. if someone can provide me a statement specifying a random one of theses statements "he created a portal/a breach/a connection/a passage / an opening (or any other statement that suggests that it is indeed a portal) to the outer space. then and only then i will be willing to give up on this point.
FANTICIPATE: IT DOESN'T EXIST.
2. "SO YOU SCALE HIS AP TO HIS HAX?
Again, a counter worthy of those who don't understand scaling. having a verse where creation and destruction require the same kind of quantifiable energy to be generated, an ability that requires that same energy to even exist is an ability directly related to the possessor's ap. otherwise, no creator would scale to their creations.
3. One OF THE FUNNIEST.
"PROVE HE USED REISHI TO CREATE IT"
He I'M SORRY, WHAT?
THIS request is one of those requests that i would call illogical, falling into the category of fallacy known as "slothful induction": "evidences suggest x result in y, yet the oppositor insist y was caused by something else, sometimes being impossible to prove the existence of that something else".
IT has been explained, proven, further proven. that all members of the quincy race use the reishi enslavement process to use their powers ("y"). it has been said, reiterated and confirmed that gremmy is a quincy ("x"). gremmy, like all quincy (since there is no contrary evidence to qualify it otherwise, because it would be against what the authors wrote) uses the same process as all the other quincys ("x" result in "y"). since all the existing proofs declare the one just explained as the most consistent solution (in line with what the authors stated), to prove otherwise it is mandatory to the purpose of a possible debunk to prove that a law that is valid for all quincys. is not valid for gremmy. who is a quincy (explicably representing an exception).
4. "It's outlier"
Well, yes, but no. It is for those who have probably decided to stop watching Bleach after episode 1.
The meteor was supposed to kill everyone in the Seireitei outside of Gremmy himself, as he had imagined. We realize it was true from the way how everyone, from Pepe to Askin, from Bazz B to Haschwalth, were frightened by the causes that that meteor could have had on everyone, even on Yhwach himself.
After all, could really be considered as an outlier, bearing in mind the currently accepted Yhwach scaling, a feat coming from a being that CFYOW defines as "Gremmy Thoumeaux: that was the name of a boy who, barring Yhwach, was said to be the strongest of the Stern Ritter-someone who could beat anybody"?
It's also stated this, which is purely narrative but kinda explicative of Gremmy powers: "Though it was a cage that had been securely sealed with a barrier that only Yhwach could make, that seal was currently undone and the intended prisoner-Gremmy Thoumeaux-was standing in a corner of the passageway. None approached the boy who had been freed, and as though they believed they would be killed if they simply met eyes with him, the general members did not even enter his field of vision."
There is already a calculation for this feat.
vsbattles.fandom.com
It might not seem important, but understanding who gremmy is, or rather. what gremmy is. understanding how his schrift works much more clearly. gremmy thoumeaux is a quincy whose only existing body part is the brain, while the rest of his body is nothing more than a figment of his imagination. not just a random brain. however, but a 'quincy brain
HOW QUINCY POWERS WORK
I could stop here. honestly, i could. but. i also need to specify, as if it wasn't know, that obviously reishi = energy.
Every quincy ability, from hirenkyaku to blut, from vollstanding to literally, as said, any quincy ability, as well shown by the cases of lille and bambietta and their respective 'hax, is based on the reishi manipulation technique known as "REISHIN ESLAVEMENT":
It allows them to collect the reishi of the surrounding environment to increase their reiryoku and. consequently, to exponentially increase the potential of their techniques. but most of all, two important
things are said by askin and yhwach: 1. with the reishi, source of their powers, things can be done in an infinite extent: 2. with the reishi, spaces can be built through its manipulation.
"V" THE
VISIONARY
The visionary, as can be guessed from the different scans, allows gremmy to have a more or less common form of reality warping.
What he imagines, his fantasies, come to reality. whether they are indifferently healing himself. imagining another dead (e.g. guenael lee, rose,kensei), creating a copy of himself with the same amount of his "power of the imagination", they all just become reality.
AND HERE COMES THE PROBLEMS WITH HIS GREATEST FEAT:
THE (In)FAMOUS "OUTER SPACE".
OUTER SPACE FEAT
Again, i might just stop here as the feats and statements come from other author and seinosuke (one of bleach's most authoritative sources, working for the nobles). however, this is precisely where the explanation is needed. As anticipated, in order to understand gremmy's powers. it's necessary to understand his very nature.
Gremmy is a quincy. it has been said and it has been reiterated. a quincy, in order to be able to use their abilities and materialize the powers themselves or, again, create spaces (e.g. shadow world created by yhwach) it's necessary for them to carry out the process clearly defined by uryu. absorb the surrounding reishi, unite it with one's reiryoku, create an output in the form of material power. Gremmy created an outer space. he did it in the literal sense of
the word. it's a creation that requires the use of reishi, the source of the power of the quincy race, as stated by askin. So the conclusion is pretty simple. reishi+reiryoku = energy.
The outer space was created. like the meteor, through the reishi enslavement process. since the creation (and then the disappearance) took place through energy (and given in bleach:creation =destruction), it is directly attributable to gremmy's ap. not being able to be classified as "hax-only" (reality warping), being a creation through energy which produced output is computable in joules.
POSSIBLE COUNTERS
OK, these, for my personal experience during different debates are the counters that are used (by fewer and fewer people. to be honest) to try in some way. sometimes even illogically and against the basic rules of scaling,
TO UNDERESTIMATE THE VISIONARY.
1. The most common, as well as illogical.
"HE OPENED A PORTAL"
If until before the release of the official translations of cfyow this argument could be somehow accepted, from that moment it has expired. reduced to ashes. gremmy. as explained, materialized outer space through a process that requires and uses energy. therefore, by analyzing the additional information obtained from cfyow, we identify two further confirmations.
Starting from the claim "gremmy created outer space", reinforced by the author's statement ("he materialized outer space itself...") and by seinosuke's statement ("the ability to istantounesly create outer space..."). the claim doesn't need to be further proven. conversely. it is the obligation of those who try to debunk this claim that the one created by gremmy is a portal to the outer space and not outer space itself, going against what was established by both kubo and narita. if someone can provide me a statement specifying a random one of theses statements "he created a portal/a breach/a connection/a passage / an opening (or any other statement that suggests that it is indeed a portal) to the outer space. then and only then i will be willing to give up on this point.
FANTICIPATE: IT DOESN'T EXIST.
2. "SO YOU SCALE HIS AP TO HIS HAX?
Again, a counter worthy of those who don't understand scaling. having a verse where creation and destruction require the same kind of quantifiable energy to be generated, an ability that requires that same energy to even exist is an ability directly related to the possessor's ap. otherwise, no creator would scale to their creations.
3. One OF THE FUNNIEST.
"PROVE HE USED REISHI TO CREATE IT"
He I'M SORRY, WHAT?
THIS request is one of those requests that i would call illogical, falling into the category of fallacy known as "slothful induction": "evidences suggest x result in y, yet the oppositor insist y was caused by something else, sometimes being impossible to prove the existence of that something else".
IT has been explained, proven, further proven. that all members of the quincy race use the reishi enslavement process to use their powers ("y"). it has been said, reiterated and confirmed that gremmy is a quincy ("x"). gremmy, like all quincy (since there is no contrary evidence to qualify it otherwise, because it would be against what the authors wrote) uses the same process as all the other quincys ("x" result in "y"). since all the existing proofs declare the one just explained as the most consistent solution (in line with what the authors stated), to prove otherwise it is mandatory to the purpose of a possible debunk to prove that a law that is valid for all quincys. is not valid for gremmy. who is a quincy (explicably representing an exception).
4. "It's outlier"
Well, yes, but no. It is for those who have probably decided to stop watching Bleach after episode 1.
The meteor was supposed to kill everyone in the Seireitei outside of Gremmy himself, as he had imagined. We realize it was true from the way how everyone, from Pepe to Askin, from Bazz B to Haschwalth, were frightened by the causes that that meteor could have had on everyone, even on Yhwach himself.
After all, could really be considered as an outlier, bearing in mind the currently accepted Yhwach scaling, a feat coming from a being that CFYOW defines as "Gremmy Thoumeaux: that was the name of a boy who, barring Yhwach, was said to be the strongest of the Stern Ritter-someone who could beat anybody"?
It's also stated this, which is purely narrative but kinda explicative of Gremmy powers: "Though it was a cage that had been securely sealed with a barrier that only Yhwach could make, that seal was currently undone and the intended prisoner-Gremmy Thoumeaux-was standing in a corner of the passageway. None approached the boy who had been freed, and as though they believed they would be killed if they simply met eyes with him, the general members did not even enter his field of vision."
There is already a calculation for this feat.
Gremmy Creates Outer Space
vsbattles.fandom.com
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. Even though we have several creation feats.
