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Bleach Hax Resistance addition

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Has Zaraki ever actually shown the ability to deconstruct his opponents passively? The scan in his current justifications doesn't include that, and it is never mentioned in the series that anyone that Zaraki has faced has just passively been deconstructed, or that he'd expect his opponent to be deconstructed and they weren't.

If there's no actual statements or feats of Resistance, I'm wary about freely handing out Resistances to supposedly "passive hax" when an alternative explanation is that these supposedly passive abilities weren't supposed to happen in the first place.
 
I’ll reply later, there appears to be some miscommunication in this thread (not in regards to Damage’s comment, but some other stuff).
 
Damage3245 said:
Has Zaraki ever actually shown the ability to deconstruct his opponents passively? The scan in his current justifications doesn't include that, and it is never mentioned in the series that anyone that Zaraki has faced has just passively been deconstructed, or that he'd expect his opponent to be deconstructed and they weren't.
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The passive haxes I mentioned are on Zaraki's profile. I really didn't understand what you said next...
 
Damage3245 said:
Has Zaraki ever actually shown the ability to deconstruct his opponents passively? The scan in his current justifications doesn't include that, and it is never mentioned in the series that anyone that Zaraki has faced has just passively been deconstructed, or that he'd expect his opponent to be deconstructed and they weren't.

If there's no actual statements or feats of Resistance, I'm wary about freely handing out Resistances to supposedly "passive hax" when an alternative explanation is that these supposedly passive abilities weren't supposed to happen in the first place.
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If you want to remove the passives, then make a separate CRT for that.

This is just for applying resistance to the currently accepted passives.
 
Spectra_Schiffer said:
The passive haxes I mentioned are on Zaraki's profile. I really didn't understand what you said next...
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Eseseso said:
If you want to remove the passives, then make a separate CRT for that.

This is just for applying resistance to the currently accepted passives.
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He’s saying that, for Kenpachi’s deconstruction passive in particular, it hasn’t been shown working against living opponents, just inanimate matter, so it’s questionable as to whether or not Kenpachi was actually passively deconstructing his opponents and they resisted it, or if the deconstruction just doesn’t apply at all. That’s what he’s trying to say. I disagree for a couple of reasons, but that’ll be part of my later post when I’m less busy.
 
Eseseso said:
If you want to remove the passives, then make a separate CRT for that.

This is just for applying resistance to the currently accepted passives.
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It's not the passives that I'm challenging; it's the interpretation of whether or not characters should be getting Resistances here that I am challenging.
 
TheLav69 said:
He’s saying that, for Kenpachi’s deconstruction passive in particular, it hasn’t been shown working against living opponents, just inanimate matter, so it’s questionable as to whether or not Kenpachi was actually passively deconstructing his opponents and they resisted it, or if the deconstruction just doesn’t apply at all. That’s what he’s trying to say. I disagree for a couple of reasons, but that’ll be part of my later post when I’m less busy.
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Damage3245 said:
It's not the passives that I'm challenging; it's the interpretation of whether or not characters should be getting Resistances here that I am challenging.
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Ok then, that makes a bit more sense.
 
Valeska24 said:
Of course, we are just talking about deconstruction needing to be removed here, right?
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I don't mind the Illusion and Pain Resistances.

It's mainly the Deconstruction and Spatial Manipulation resistances I take issue with. Kenpachi never uses spatial manipulation or deconstruction offensively on his opponents as far as I'm aware.
 
Valeska24 said:
I transferred the changes to Unohana and Gremmy's profiles and also added to Loyd's profile instead of Royd because the person fighting Zaraki is Loyd, not Royd
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The wording in the OP is a little unclear, but the argument isn’t that Loyd gets the resistances for fighting Kenpachi, it’s that Kenpachi gets the resistances for not being affected by the passives that Loyd copied. I’m not sure Loyd himself should get resistances to the passives, rather, I think it’s more likely that he just copied Kenpachi’s resistances to his passives. I’m iffy on it because they aren’t shown actually fighting before Loyd copies his abilities.

You’re right about the missing videos, though. The OP needs to be fixed so that Royd’s justification doesn’t link to Loyd’s fight. We just use the same link as is in Royd’s AP justification, since that shows the outcome of the fight with Royd being unscathed.

Damage3245 said:
It's not the passives that I'm challenging; it's the interpretation of whether or not characters should be getting Resistances here that I am challenging.
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Damage3245 said:
I don't mind the Illusion and Pain Resistances.

It's mainly the Deconstruction and Spatial Manipulation resistances I take issue with. Kenpachi never uses spatial manipulation or deconstruction offensively on his opponents as far as I'm aware.
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His passives haven’t explicitly been shown working against opponents, but on his profile, these passive haxxes are attributed directly to his reiatsu, and there’s precedent on for the effects of one’s reiatsu working on people they fight (unless they can resist it, obviously). So, deconstruction and space manipulation don’t inherently apply to living things, but the effects of one’s reiatsu do, so these haxxes should as well.

There’s also some supporting evidence in Ginjo’s statement that all matter in bleach has a soul, so the matter Kenpachi was deconstructing wasn’t “soullless” either.
 
TheLav69 said:
The wording in the OP is a little unclear, but the argument isn’t that Loyd gets the resistances for fighting Kenpachi, it’s that Kenpachi gets the resistances for not being affected by the passives that Loyd copied. I’m not sure Loyd himself should get resistances to the passives, rather, I think it’s more likely that he just copied Kenpachi’s resistances to his passives. I’m iffy on it because they aren’t shown actually fighting before Loyd copies his abilities.

You’re right about the missing videos, though. The OP needs to be fixed so that Royd’s justification doesn’t link to Loyd’s fight. We just use the same link as is in Royd’s AP justification, since that shows the outcome of the fight with Royd being unscathed.
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I want you to know that if we accept that these haxes are passive, Kenpachi already releases his reiatsu before, during and even after encountering him. And yes, since these hax are already passive and reiatsu-derived, it's not a big deal for us to be shown the fight anyway. Needs to be resistant to Hax
TheLav69 said:
His passives haven’t explicitly been shown working against opponents, but on his profile, these passive haxxes are attributed directly to his reiatsu, and there’s precedent on for the effects of one’s reiatsu working on people they fight (unless they can resist it, obviously). So, deconstruction and space manipulation don’t inherently apply to living things, but the effects of one’s reiatsu do, so these haxxes should as well.

There’s also some supporting evidence in Ginjo’s statement that all matter in bleach has a soul, so the matter Kenpachi was deconstructing wasn’t “soullless” either.
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But this part sounds logical, these things you say are already accepted in Fullbringer physiology and considering Kenpachi got this hax from Reishi, you are right in what you say.
 
Valeska24 said:
I want you to know that if we accept that these haxes are passive, Kenpachi already releases his reiatsu before, during and even after encountering him. And yes, since these hax are already passive and reiatsu-derived, it's not a big deal for us to be shown the fight anyway. Needs to be resistant to Hax
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Yeah, I’m not strictly opposed to Loyd getting the resistances, so if that’s accepted then I’m cool with it. I just think his case isn’t as clear-cut as the other people Kenpachi fights.
 
TheLav69 said:
Yeah, I’m not strictly opposed to Loyd getting the resistances, so if that’s accepted then I’m cool with it. I just think his case isn’t as clear-cut as the other people Kenpachi fights.
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I can understand what you mean, but there was already an encounter. Before copying, Loyd must have sensed Kenpachi's reiatsu, and since Kenpachi already has these haxes in his reiatsu, it shouldn't be too difficult for Loyd to get resistance to these features as well.
 
TheLav69 said:
The wording in the OP is a little unclear, but the argument isn’t that Loyd gets the resistances for fighting Kenpachi, it’s that Kenpachi gets the resistances for not being affected by the passives that Loyd copied. I’m not sure Loyd himself should get resistances to the passives, rather, I think it’s more likely that he just copied Kenpachi’s resistances to his passives. I’m iffy on it because they aren’t shown actually fighting before Loyd copies his abilities.

You’re right about the missing videos, though. The OP needs to be fixed so that Royd’s justification doesn’t link to Loyd’s fight. We just use the same link as is in Royd’s AP justification, since that shows the outcome of the fight with Royd being unscathed.





His passives haven’t explicitly been shown working against opponents, but on his profile, these passive haxxes are attributed directly to his reiatsu, and there’s precedent on for the effects of one’s reiatsu working on people they fight (unless they can resist it, obviously). So, deconstruction and space manipulation don’t inherently apply to living things, but the effects of one’s reiatsu do, so these haxxes should as well.

There’s also some supporting evidence in Ginjo’s statement that all matter in bleach has a soul, so the matter Kenpachi was deconstructing wasn’t “soullless” either.
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Oh man, assuming this hax is passive, everyone who isn't affected needs to get resistance.
 
Spectra_Schiffer said:
Since everyone is in agreement, can the profiles be edited and this OP closed?
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Well we have 3 staff votes for all of the resistances applying and 1 vote for only Illusion Creation and Pain Manipulation, and I know that the 48 hour grace is up, but I’m also very new here so I’d much rather have a staff member confirm whether we’re done here or not.
 
I can re-tag the staff members who have commented so far if it will help.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @LordGriffin1000 Can you three please re-check the thread from this post onwards? It seems to me that Kenpachi has no feats or statements of actually using Deconstruction or Spatial Manipulation on his opponents, so the characters from his fights who aren't deconstructed or affected spatially shouldn't be assumed by default to have resistances to those abilities.
 
@Damage3245 Ok so his energy passively causes deconstruction and spatial stuff but your argument is that since it's not mentioned why it doesn't work on actual characters or shown to work on them it shouldn't be assumed the passive affect is applicable to them?
 
Kind of. In the series we've never had any statements or feats of Kenpachi passively deconstructing anyone or affecting them with spatial manipulation. It's not alluded to be a thing that we should expect to happen against any of his opponents.

So when we see his opponents not being deconstructed or spatially manipulated at any point, it seems to me that we need something indicating they have a Resistance to it. If they were never going to be deconstructed in the first place, then them not being deconstructed doesn't mean they resisted it.
 
Damage3245 said:
Kind of. In the series we've never had any statements or feats of Kenpachi passively deconstructing anyone or affecting them with spatial manipulation. It's not alluded to be a thing that we should expect to happen against any of his opponents.

So when we see his opponents not being deconstructed or spatially manipulated at any point, it seems to me that we need something indicating they have a Resistance to it. If they were never going to be deconstructed in the first place, then them not being deconstructed doesn't mean they resisted it.
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This is a fair point. I guess I can agree with this logic.
 
I still disagree based on what is currently accepted for the reasons I outlined above above, but I won’t push the argument further because I have my own reservations regarding the scans themselves used on Kenpachi’s profile for his passive deconstruction and especially the passive space manipulation. Whatever staff decides on from this point on is fine with me.
 
Damage3245 said:
Has Zaraki ever actually shown the ability to deconstruct his opponents passively? The scan in his current justifications doesn't include that, and it is never mentioned in the series that anyone that Zaraki has faced has just passively been deconstructed, or that he'd expect his opponent to be deconstructed and they weren't.

If there's no actual statements or feats of Resistance, I'm wary about freely handing out Resistances to supposedly "passive hax" when an alternative explanation is that these supposedly passive abilities weren't supposed to happen in the first place.
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I guess this viewpoint is fine, then.
 
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