(1 More Vote Needed) Additional Justification for Sairaorg and Issei's Low 5-B rating

[MasqueTLDF]

FYI: V10 BxB Sairaorg and CxC Issei got accepted at Low 5-B already.
Reasoning for the celestial body being a Moon.

1. Why the anime can be used here.
2. Visual Similarities
3. Ajuka Australia creation capability example
4. Rating Game arenas are recreations of real places
5. Unlikely to be a moon other than Earth's due to supernatural scientists comparable to Ajuka only studying Earth's Moon.
6. Ajuka (one of the Maou) is implied to have created the moon (possibly the sun as well) in the underworld.

Explanation for current Low 5-B Rating. (You can skim through this since everything here is already accepted.)

1. Sairaorg "split the earth statement" source for Low 5-B rating.
2. BxB Sairaorg >>> Multi Continental Amped WDR Issei >= Base Sairaorg so BxB Sairaorg performing a feat 1 tier above isn't oulandish.

Explanation of new feats (Based on already scaling above all of these feats, the validity of these feats shouldn't be to questionable. They'll only be used as supporting evidence.)

1. Sairaorg and Issei shaking the moon with their punches. (already calced) I believe the Intensity 5 Calculation would be most accurate considering how it's described.
2. Sairaorg "violently shaking" the moon by powering up. (already calced) I believe the Intensity 9 Calculation would be most accurate considering how it's described. (Violent)
3. Issei and Sairaorg can destroy the moon. (I believe we can assume that this would be moon level as we previously assumed AxA was Planet Level based on a similar statement.)

This thread wont upgrade or downgrade anyone, just adds more feats and supporting evidence.
Agree: SCARECROW1983, Dragongod224, TotalMasterInfinity, Elizhaa
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[SCARECROW1983]

I agree but I have a doubt, shouldn't this be in a higher tier? After all in the novel too and anime we are told that the dimension was being destroyed and apart from the moon you also see stars

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I agree but I have a doubt, shouldn't this be in a higher tier? After all in the novel too and anime we are told that the dimension was being destroyed and apart from the moon you also see stars

No, I explained this in the imgur links, 1. it'd be a huge outlier, 2. stars aren't refenced in the LN and can be considered non canon, and 3. the statements only refer to the battle field (the moon they fought on) itself, not any surrounding area, 4. the dimension wasn't being destroyed, only holes were being made in it.

 

[Dragongod224]

FYI: V10 BxB Sairaorg and CxC Issei got accepted at Low 5-B already.
Reasoning for the celestial body being a Moon.

1. Why the anime can be used here.
2. Visual Similarities
3. Ajuka Australia creation capability
4. Rating Game arenas are recreations of real places
5. Unlikely to be a moon other than Earth's due to supernatural scientists comparable to Ajuka only studying Earth's Moon.

Explanation for current Low 5-B Rating. (You can skim through this since everything here is already accepted.)

1. Sairaorg "split the earth statement"
2. BxB Sairaorg >>> Multi Continental Amped WDR Issei >= Base Sairaorg

Explanation of new feats (Based on already scaling above all of these feats, the validity of these feats shouldn't be to questionable. They'll only be used as supporting evidence.)

1. Sairaorg and Issei shaking the moon with their punches. (already calced) I believe the Intensity 5 Calculation would be most accurate considering how it's described.
2. Sairaorg "violently shaking" the moon by powering up. (already calced) I believe the Intensity 9 Calculation would be most accurate considering how it's described. (Violent)
3. Issei and Sairaorg can destroy the moon. (I believe we can assume that this would be moon level as we previously assumed AxA was Planet Level based on a similar statement.)

This thread wont upgrade or downgrade anyone, just adds more feats and supporting evidence.
Agree: SCARECROW1983
Neutral:
Disagree:

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After all in the novel too and anime we are told that the dimension was being destroyed

In Anime No, only stated and showing creating holes in dimension.
but in novels if I am correct only issei destroy the dimensions one time with AxA when God of Abyss try to seal issei and his friend.

and apart from the moon you also see stars

I think you misunderstood moon and stars with dimension or power scale for character

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

I agree, but I wonder if this was necessary?

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I agree, but I wonder if this was necessary?

In the last thread, a lack of DC feats was brought up specifically relating to Sairaorg and Issei. Thought I'd add some more + supporting evidence is always a good thing.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

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[BlackeJan]

You already used the reasoning of rating games being used in the past thread and it agreed that we don’t know if it’s actually real

 

[MasqueTLDF]

You already used the reasoning of rating games being used in the past thread and it agreed that we don’t know if it’s actually real

(Issei Standing on it)
"We don't know if it's actually real"
Ok bro

 

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[MasqueTLDF]

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[Elizhaa]

I think the changes look fine.

 

[BlackeJan]

(Issei Standing on it)
"We don't know if it's actually real"
Ok bro

U know what I mean. There’s no proof if the “starry skies” is even legit real. Just cause they are able to make it real doesn’t mean they have the knowledge of the properties of it though creating a rating game is no proof of realness

 

[MasqueTLDF]

U know what I mean. There’s no proof if the “starry skies” is even legit real. Just cause they are able to make it real doesn’t mean they have the knowledge of the properties of it though creating a rating game is no proof of realness

I gave proof that it is, provide proof that it isn't and your argument may have a bit more credence.

 

[BlackeJan]

I gave proof that it is, provide proof that it isn't and your argument may have a bit more credence.

It really doesn’t provide proof other then “yeah they make things that looks like it” but never go into details how the property of the material is the exact same. They just have the appearance of it nothing else unless u have proof that says otherwise

 

[MasqueTLDF]

It really doesn’t provide proof other then “yeah they make things that looks like it” but never go into details how the property of the material is the exact same. They just have the appearance of it nothing else unless u have proof that says otherwise

They literally say and show that it's an exact replication. If the ground they were standing on wasn't real, then they'd always be flying but they obviously aren't. And you still haven't provided any evidence that they aren't real. I'm sorry but until you actually provide a solid reason other than "I dont think it's real" which is inherently fallacious, I honestly can't be bothered to continue this argument with you. It'd just be a nonsensical back & forth with no purpose.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

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[BlackeJan]

They literally say and show that it's an exact replication. If the ground they were standing on wasn't real, then they'd always be flying but they obviously aren't. And you still haven't provided any evidence that they aren't real. I'm sorry but until you actually provide a solid reason other than "I dont think it's real" which is inherently fallacious, I honestly can't be bothered to continue this argument with you. It'd just be a nonsensical back & forth with no purpose.

Again, just cause they show a replica (of the appearance) doesn’t mean it’s real. We have things in anime where light is considered real but operates as something not true.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Again, just cause they show a replica (of the appearance) doesn’t mean it’s real. We have things in anime where light is considered real but operates as something not true.

We see Issei holding books and saying that they are exactly the same as the ones he read. How can he hold something if it isn't real lol?. Again, if you can't actually provide evidence that the things in those dimensions aren't real, then I'm not going to continue this argument.

 

[BlackeJan]

We see Issei holding books and saying that they are exactly the same as the ones he read. How can he hold something if it isn't real lol?. Again, if you can't actually provide evidence that the things in those dimensions aren't real, then I'm not going to continue this argument.

Well u just ignore my example so let me give u another. In the U.S, we have food from stores (from an unknown company) that we can eat, but know it’s not the actual source. Hamburgers that’s premade has cheese that even though it tastes like it, it’s not REAL cheese. It the same way in this scenario, just cause they made something doesn’t mean the source or material is real

And ya haven’t addressed this argument

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Well u just ignore my example so let me give u another. In the U.S, we have food from stores (from an unknown company) that we can eat, but know it’s not the actual source. Hamburgers that’s premade has cheese that even though it tastes like it, it’s not REAL cheese. It the same way in this scenario, just cause they made something doesn’t mean the source or material is real

And ya haven’t addressed this argument

That's whataboutism, not an example from within DxD. I could say anything could be anything, but without any proof, they're just baseless claims. I provided proof, and you provided baseless speculation, I'm not going to continue this further. And I honestly dont see what cheese has to do with the discussion lol.

 

[Dragongod224]

Hey BlackeJan If you want to reject the points MasqueTLDF made in this thread, you need to provide evidence from DxD to prove that your claims are true and the object in question are fake. Because there are no contradiction to claim MasqueTLDF made.
And what I read in this Wiki rules, this wiki support valid evidence not personal opinions so since MasqueTLDF provide his points with valid evidence you need to provide valid evidence to rejecte those points.

 

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