BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Guacamolefletcher · Tuesday at 16:07

BeTheWay1rst said:
Nah, she just fate haxed him something that he has no answer to.
Also, fate > probability.

I'm not a fan of the argument that she used fate hax; it's impossible to prove.

Based on true concrete evidence, there is no fate hax involved with senjumaru's bankai

Tyri456 said:
Another user on Reddit:

魂の境界を超えることを指して「超越者」と言っているので、
一護と藍染は形の異なる「超越者」です。

“Since the act of exceeding the boundary of the soul is referred to as a ‘transcendent being,’ Ichigo and Aizen are ‘transcendent beings’ with different forms.”

1st. Key point, the sentence is written in present tense, not past, according to Kubo they are still transcendent being now.

2nd. Kubo answered this question without negating the existence of transcendence concept, meaning he never dropped the concept.

3rd. He brought it back again in the Klub Outside summary of episode, saying Aizen was displaying trascendence presence and spiritual pressure.

4th. Kubo conceded that he wrote himself the datebooks, meaning they are as valuable as manga, and those have quite lot of explanations on transcendence, different dimensions, not feeling the power, being above everyone else etc.

IIRC, I had some other piece of concrete evidence for this. In the databook written as a recap for the TYBW, this is also stressed in detail.

If ya'll remind me some time this weekend, I can send it here for ya'll to see. I left all the databooks home, but I have the evidence on discord.
In general though, this shit about the higher level of power for the Reio-level beings is very much the correct interpretation

Adam1396 · Tuesday at 17:11

Guacamolefletcher said:
I'm not a fan of the argument that she used fate hax; it's impossible to prove.

Honestly fate manipulation can stay. Since it's also evident. I just find it contradictory in gerard's case. Ishida's case is also questionable since we haven’t seen how his fate might play.
Lillie one seems more befitting as attack reflection than damage transferal. That's how he was defeated.

I think gerard's one just should be treated differently as how it is listed. Gerard had miracle all along.

Johner2133451 · Tuesday at 21:27

Btw if Ichibei were to fight someone, is his first moves just sword match?

AyeZ2 · Tuesday at 21:28

Johner2133451 said:
Btw if Ichibei were to fight someone, is his first moves just sword match?

Might whip out one of his secret hados

ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn · Tuesday at 21:42

Johner2133451 said:
Btw if Ichibei were to fight someone, is his first moves just sword match?

Pretty much.

Naeblis495 · Tuesday at 21:54

Nah, his first move is bitchslapping the opponent away with his big hands.

Johner2133451 · Tuesday at 22:24

ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
Pretty much.

Oh alright cause a lot of people here says that Ichibei just spam ichimonji as first move

Thread 'Vegeta vs Ichibei (15-15-1)'

Oct 25, 2024

Broly arc Vegeta vs True Power Ichibē Hyōsube

Speed is equalized
Battle takes place in the Soul King Palace
Everything else is SBA

Vegeta: @RenderGK, @ChoursDropoff, @CryoTheMayo, @TheTenno07, @Hasty12345, @ArcaneAbyss, @Killerdrone123, @XXBenShapiroXx, @Ryzen7900X, @RoninSlayer200, @CelestialVortex01, @RinneItachi, @TiltedFN, @LuffyRuffy46307, @Gamin_Yoon23

Ichibē: @Wankbreaker, @ReaperAndBlues, @Arcker123...

ReaperAndBlues · Tuesday at 22:26

Johner2133451 said:
Oh alright cause a lot of people here says that Ichibei just spam ichimonji as first move

Thread 'Vegeta vs Ichibei (15-15-1)'

Oct 25, 2024

Broly arc Vegeta vs True Power Ichibē Hyōsube

Speed is equalized
Battle takes place in the Soul King Palace
Everything else is SBA

Vegeta: @RenderGK, @ChoursDropoff, @CryoTheMayo, @TheTenno07, @Hasty12345, @ArcaneAbyss, @Killerdrone123, @XXBenShapiroXx, @Ryzen7900X, @RoninSlayer200, @CelestialVortex01, @RinneItachi, @TiltedFN, @LuffyRuffy46307, @Gamin_Yoon23

Ichibē: @Wankbreaker, @ReaperAndBlues, @Arcker123...

YmTheSuper

bleach dragon ball ichibē hyōsube vegeta (dbs anime)

Replies: 360

Forum: Versus Threads

Well it's because 4-A Ichibei does that. Base Ichibei uses the hands

Johner2133451 · Tuesday at 22:28

ReaperAndBlues said:
Well it's because 4-A Ichibei does that. Base Ichibei uses the hands

Oh kinda like Senjumaru straight up do bankai as first move when she gets powered up

ReaperAndBlues · Tuesday at 22:33

Johner2133451 said:
Oh kinda like Senjumaru straight up do bankai as first move when she gets powered up

Yep.

AppleLord · Wednesday at 00:35

Soul Society East Branch: Shinigami, Fullbringers
Soul Society West Branch: Witches, Dragonclads
Soul Society North Branch: ?
Soul Society South Branch: ?
Hueco Mundo: Hollows

Quincy to to either North or South Branch?

Guacamolefletcher · Wednesday at 01:05

AppleLord said:
Soul Society East Branch: Shinigami, Fullbringers
Soul Society West Branch: Witches, Dragonclads
Soul Society North Branch: ?
Soul Society South Branch: ?
Hueco Mundo: Hollows

Quincy to to either North or South Branch?

0% chance this is the case.

AppleLord · Wednesday at 03:17

Guacamolefletcher said:
0% chance this is the case.

Do you think the other societies will be shinigami or witch related?

ReaperAndBlues · Wednesday at 07:10

There's nothing to manage in the poles it's all wildlife and a few scientists.

Johner2133451 · Wednesday at 12:19

Btw does Yhwach should have resist to extrasensory perception? Since he's a transcendent being like Ichigo and Aizen

SlendVeny · Wednesday at 17:01

Naeblis495 said:
Nah, his first move is bitchslapping the opponent away with his big hands.

Nah, it ain't the hands he's gonna slap people with

Tyri456 · Wednesday at 18:48

Isn’t the consensus that Gerard couldn’t use the Miracle In the SKP?
He didn’t use it even against Oetsu that just slashed him.

Guacamolefletcher · Wednesday at 22:00

ReaperAndBlues said:
There's nothing to manage in the poles it's all wildlife and a few scientists.

lol.

The north and south soul societies don't necessarily have to be in the poles, but I hadn't thought about how if they were, they wouldn't have a human world adjacent to them like that.

AnAverageUsername · Wednesday at 22:39

Aren't the branches more so in like with East and West ideologies or whatever than poles

Bastolan27 · Wednesday at 23:58

The world is divided into the Western and Eastern worlds (like it or not). It’s not about east, west, north, and south; it’s about civilization, not geography. Like how Eastern Soul Society is all about Shinigami and Asian folklore, while Western Soul Society has classic witches and dragons from Western literature and folklore, with names inspired by it. There’s not gonna be any north or south.

AnAverageUsername · 2025-02-06T00:34:21+0000

Bastolan27 said:
The world is divided into the Western and Eastern worlds (like it or not). It’s not about east, west, north, and south; it’s about civilization, not geography. Like how Eastern Soul Society is all about Shinigami and Asian folklore, while Western Soul Society has classic witches and dragons from Western literature and folklore, with names inspired by it. There’s not gonna be any north or south.

What I said but smarter

SlendVeny · 2025-02-06T02:19:23+0000

ReaperAndBlues said:
There's nothing to manage in the poles it's all wildlife and a few scientists.

Hear me out though: Quincy Penguins

Johner2133451 · 2025-02-06T03:54:47+0000

Btw since bleach is gonna be 2-C, does their mind/soul resists becomes 4D in potency since the more stronger you get, the more powerful your mind/soul is?

Deceived3596 · 2025-02-06T05:40:57+0000

Johner2133451 said:
Btw since bleach is gonna be 2-C, does their mind/soul resists becomes 4D in potency since the more stronger you get, the more powerful your mind/soul is?

Arc probably won't argue for 2-C in his thread as he doesn't believe the evidence for it, as of the moment, is all that concrete. However, he will probably argue for Low 2-C via the Ichibe feat / mid-episode information cards about himself, and the feat in question.

As for your question, assuming that Low 2-C does get passed: anyone who scales should be 4-D as they're explicitly powered by it, and enhanced further when additional energy is provided. If that energy is 4-D, everything constitutionally tied with that energy should also be 4-D without a blatant disconnect between the two.

Johner2133451 · 2025-02-06T05:44:52+0000

Deceived3596 said:
Arc probably won't argue for 2-C in his thread as he doesn't believe the evidence for it, as of the moment, is all that concrete. However, he will probably argue for Low 2-C via the Ichibe feat / mid-episode information cards about himself, and the feat in question.

As for your question, assuming that Low 2-C does get passed: anyone who scales should be 4-D as they're explicitly powered by it, and enhanced further when additional energy is provided. If that energy is 4-D, everything constitutionally tied with that energy should also be 4-D without a blatant disconnect between the two.

Didn't @ReaperAndBlues and @Hellscream mentioned that regarding the balance of the souls being the reason of the spacetimes destruction is debunked in the anime?

Deceived3596 · 2025-02-06T05:48:32+0000

Johner2133451 said:
Didn't @ReaperAndBlues and @Hellscream mentioned that regarding the balance of the souls being the reason of the spacetimes destruction is debunked in the anime?

I'm not talking about that feat as Arc isn't mentioning it in his AP revision thread. He wishes for the anime to reach that point in the story before tackling that feat again.

Outside of that, yes. In the anime, it pretty explicitly debunks the argument that Soul King's lack of control over the souls was the thing that was primarily causing the destruction of the realms. I don't recall the exact episode number where this occurred, but if you search for the episode that deals with Soul King's death and the resulting collapse it will be there. Kisuke is the one who makes the statement, if that helps at all.

Adam1396 · 2025-02-06T06:02:44+0000

In hollow physiology they have soul absorption.
Even though mind is intertwined with soul, mind absorption should be added as well. There is also explicit statement about that.

Guacamolefletcher · 2025-02-06T06:04:34+0000

Johner2133451 said:
Didn't @ReaperAndBlues and @Hellscream mentioned that regarding the balance of the souls being the reason of the spacetimes destruction is debunked in the anime?

Tip for everyone wondering stuff like this: Let Arc cook. Don't worry about it

Doctorsolos · 2025-02-06T07:32:22+0000

BWill bleach cour 3 crt be opened?

Arc7Kuroi · 2025-02-06T10:09:07+0000

Doctorsolos said:
BWill bleach cour 3 crt be opened?

Yeah eventually I’m working on cour 3 stat updates

Doctorsolos · 2025-02-06T10:12:22+0000

Arc7Kuroi said:
Evet sonunda 3. ders istatistik güncellemeleri üzerinde çalışıyorum

What will happen?

Hellscream · 2025-02-06T10:51:33+0000

Same question has been asked and answered literally a billion times atp

Doctorsolos · 2025-02-06T10:54:24+0000

İ didn't look at the old messages, the account is new, the others were closed.

Doctorsolos · 2025-02-06T12:07:16+0000

Evet I saw someone who argued that there is space outside Garganta and that the outer spaces in wotl in ss are connected to it in 5a bleach verse

ReaperAndBlues · 2025-02-06T15:30:51+0000

Deceived3596 said:
I'm not talking about that feat as Arc isn't mentioning it in his AP revision thread. He wishes for the anime to reach that point in the story before tackling that feat again.

Outside of that, yes. In the anime, it pretty explicitly debunks the argument that Soul King's lack of control over the souls was the thing that was primarily causing the destruction of the realms. I don't recall the exact episode number where this occurred, but if you search for the episode that deals with Soul King's death and the resulting collapse it will be there. Kisuke is the one who makes the statement, if that helps at all.

It was episode 30 after the midcard

Crobatman44 · 2025-02-06T16:15:05+0000

Hellscream said:
Same question has been asked and answered literally a billion times atp

Add it to the counter.

AnimesFreak2 · 2025-02-06T17:31:54+0000

Hellscream said:
Same question has been asked and answered literally a billion times atp

You expect an anime fan to know how to read?

Doctorsolos · 2025-02-06T17:36:05+0000

AnimesFreak2 said:
Bir anime hayranının okuma bilmesini mi bekliyorsunuz?

BBroo

why did you say that, it made me sad, I wanted to ask

Guacamolefletcher · 2025-02-06T18:42:29+0000

ReaperAndBlues said:
It was episode 30 after the midcard

I will reserve judgement until I ask Arc and Deceived

AppleLord · 2025-02-06T19:04:58+0000

I want the Fullbringers to fight in Cour 4. Am I the only one?

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