BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Guacamolefletcher]

Nah, she just fate haxed him something that he has no answer to.
Also, fate > probability.

I'm not a fan of the argument that she used fate hax; it's impossible to prove.

Based on true concrete evidence, there is no fate hax involved with senjumaru's bankai

Another user on Reddit:

魂の境界を超えることを指して「超越者」と言っているので、
一護と藍染は形の異なる「超越者」です。

“Since the act of exceeding the boundary of the soul is referred to as a ‘transcendent being,’ Ichigo and Aizen are ‘transcendent beings’ with different forms.”

1st. Key point, the sentence is written in present tense, not past, according to Kubo they are still transcendent being now.

2nd. Kubo answered this question without negating the existence of transcendence concept, meaning he never dropped the concept.

3rd. He brought it back again in the Klub Outside summary of episode, saying Aizen was displaying trascendence presence and spiritual pressure.

4th. Kubo conceded that he wrote himself the datebooks, meaning they are as valuable as manga, and those have quite lot of explanations on transcendence, different dimensions, not feeling the power, being above everyone else etc.

IIRC, I had some other piece of concrete evidence for this. In the databook written as a recap for the TYBW, this is also stressed in detail.

If ya'll remind me some time this weekend, I can send it here for ya'll to see. I left all the databooks home, but I have the evidence on discord.
In general though, this shit about the higher level of power for the Reio-level beings is very much the correct interpretation

 

[Adam1396]

I'm not a fan of the argument that she used fate hax; it's impossible to prove.

Honestly fate manipulation can stay. Since it's also evident. I just find it contradictory in gerard's case. Ishida's case is also questionable since we haven’t seen how his fate might play.
Lillie one seems more befitting as attack reflection than damage transferal. That's how he was defeated.

I think gerard's one just should be treated differently as how it is listed. Gerard had miracle all along.