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Shadow of the Rabbit Goddess

Well Code's AP justification is this currently: At least Small Planet level (Code's strength had greatly surpassed Jigen), higher with White Kāma (Shikamaru reiterates the sentiment that Code is far beyond Jigen and posits that while Code should be weaker than Isshiki, it's not certain, implying Code is somewhat in the same ballpark)
I would say we should chill on Code and other characters for now as it derails the CRT. That is not what the OP is proposing and if anyone wants to create a CRT for them they should feel free to. Isshiki is stated to be the Strongest Foe the have ever faced, Code was stated to be stronger than Jigen, not Isshiki.
 
I don't it to be in a scaling vacuum, I'm deadass fine with base momoshiki scaling here, it's just a matter of whether or not it is enough to convince the staff, I dont think uncertain claims from a character who never clashed with Isshiki is gonna convince people
What I mean is that if you just propose what's in the OP, Code's AP justification will say he's in the same ballpark as Isshiki while being rated hundreds of millions of times weaker
I would say we should chill on Code and other characters for now as it derails the CRT. That is not what the OP is proposing and if anyone wants to create a CRT for them they should feel free to. Isshiki is stated to be the Strongest Foe the have ever faced, Code was stated to be stronger than Jigen, not Isshiki.
It's important for a CRT to address potential ramifications it has on the verse as a whole, especially with other scaling chains that are accepted already (in this case, Code<~Isshiki)
 
What I mean is that if you just propose what's in the OP, Code's AP justification will say he's in the same ballpark as Isshiki while being rated hundreds of millions of times weaker

It's important for a CRT to address potential ramifications it has on the verse as a whole, especially with other scaling chains that are accepted already (in this case, Code<~Isshiki)
we can remove the "implying same ballpark" rubbish as its purely speculated headcanon


EDIT :
the bolded part is straight up headcanon, none of this was ever remotely implied in the scan, I'm gonna propose add a proposal for removal
 
I would say we should chill on Code and other characters for now as it derails the CRT. That is not what the OP is proposing and if anyone wants to create a CRT for them they should feel free to. Isshiki is stated to be the Strongest Foe the have ever faced, Code was stated to be stronger than Jigen, not Isshiki.
Yeah i agree with this i just think its being references for consistencies sake, cuz this means theres a 800 Million (800,000,000) times gap between isshiki and the other god tiers that he seemingly doesnt finger flick despite attempting to kill at certain points lol ( and also the same gap between him and Current cast)
 
What I mean is that if you just propose what's in the OP, Code's AP justification will say he's in the same ballpark as Isshiki while being rated hundreds of millions of times weaker

It's important for a CRT to address potential ramifications it has on the verse as a whole, especially with other scaling chains that are accepted already (in this case, Code<~Isshiki)
Nothing here states Code is in the same ballpark as Isshiki. In fact, they feel confident that they might be able to take him because they believe his power should be less than Isshiki. Trust me I wanted the scaling chain to at least start from fused Momo, but knowing how strict the wiki is and I witnessed the Shibai thread, I had to concede to Ghost’s logic. There are no potential ramifications.

 
Side note, I think it's good to point out just how downplayed the ETSO calc not because those values are necessarily correct but to avoid breaking calc stacking rules.

And I don't mean just the timeframe which assumes an insane 15 year gap despite Kakashi implying it would be done before his DMS timer runs out.
It also assumes the lowest possible baseline forest level value for basic TSOs despite direct on screen feats clearly putting them above stuff like Juubi TBBs and BSM Narutos super massive rasengans. That's a difference of 1.645988e24 Joules vs 4.946e10 Joules. Or in other words about 33 TRILLION times lower AP/cm³.

Again not saying this necessarily means anything, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous the gap between ETSOs potential true power and Isshiki there is currently despite all the stuff in the OP implying otherwise
 
Side note, I think it's good to point out just how downplayed the ETSO calc not because those values are necessarily correct but to avoid breaking calc stacking rules.

And I don't mean just the timeframe which assumes an insane 15 year gap despite Kakashi implying it would be done before his DMS timer runs out.
It also assumes the lowest possible baseline forest level value for basic TSOs despite direct on screen feats clearly putting them above stuff like Juubi TBBs and BSM Narutos super massive rasengans. That's a difference of 1.645988e24 Joules vs 4.946e10 Joules. Or in other words about 33 TRILLION times lower AP/cm³.

Again not saying this necessarily means anything, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous the gap between ETSOs potential true power and Isshiki there is currently despite all the stuff in the OP implying otherwise
Yep. 15 years is horrendous downplay.

Someone should fix that, tbh. What with the whole "accuracy before consistency" attitude we've got on here when it comes to calcs.

OT: I'd agree this to be the case for Boruto God tiers, but BM Naruto and Isshiki will have to do for now.
 
Yes yes the lower ends can be upgraded in a separate crt for those believing in momo and co deserving scaling if the staff approves of their arguments

But for now let’s focus on the two that I’ve mentioned
 
I feel uneasy about the method, but might wait for Damage to respond before giving thoughts. I am kind of divided.
 
I understand, although I would reason it is much simpler than my crt implies as it's just

v2 kaguyas standard spammy attacks = 4c | isshiki = stronger than that

that's all there is to it, I'll also wait for further staff input but if there are any specific concerns that need clarification, I’m happy to address them.
 
It should be noted that Kaguya's EPS to ETSO output is so casual that she can focus on an entire different fight while maintaining her output to the ETSO.

7.664 Quettatons <<< Kaguya's extremely casual ETSO charge EPS value (Insanely downplayed using a timeframe of 15 years, not to mention using a very lowballed energy density value for the TSO in the ETSO calc) <<< Kaguya's ACTUAL attacks (Her EGVF and other attacks that can scale should be monstrously stronger than her output to the ETSO) < Isshiki < Baryon Mode Naruto.

Might be worth using "At least Small Star level, likely far higher" instead of just Small Star level.
 
Leaning towards agreeing however I want to ask. Didn't Naruto overpower vaccum fist?
That's V1 (initial) Kaguya, AFAIK no one EVER managed to tank anything from V2 (post-IT) Kaguya (Kakashi's Susano'o got pierced by her Ash Bones easily while every other attack is either dodged or teleported away.)
 
It is to be noted she did not use physical punching attacks, especially characters like Sasuke only tasted her power when he got beat up by the EGVF. (he blocked some needles casually at the start once tho) As sasuke physically clashed with that and not her fists his statement regarding her formidable strength would refer to the EGVF. (I am not upgrading Momo and Kin to tier 4 im saying he can only attribute kaguya's power to her EGVF) Isshiki being the stronger foe would put him above the primary combat capabilities which means his peak power>her peak power and since his peak is just punches and kicks he scales physically
I'm not with you about this, sasuke's statement here isn't about egvf but her ETSO as general because in another place he cleared that her formidable strength who nearly destroyed the world, in shin arc at 11:50 in the link below is where he stated it


Momoshiki and kinshiki must scale to it because after sasuke fought kinshiki he hypothesis that they are the stronger threat even though he never saw or heard them only by testing their strength made him think that
 
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I'm not with you about this, sasuke's statement here isn't about egvf but her ETSO as general because in another place he cleared that her formidable strength who nearly destroyed the world, in shin arc at 11:50 in the link below is where he stated it


Momoshiki and kinshiki must scale to it because after sasuke fought kinshiki he hypothesis that they are the stronger threat even though he never saw or heard them only by testing their strength made him think that

Brother, I understand you wish to scale Sasuke to the ETSO but this isn’t the thread for that, no where in canon is it ever stated it would destroy Naruto’s main world, Sasuke’s merely talking about her plans of IT, I’m pretty sure this was also debunked in the general discussion thread before, kindly don’t bring those here
 
Brother, I understand you wish to scale Sasuke to the ETSO but this isn’t the thread for that, no where in canon is it ever stated it would destroy Naruto’s main world, Sasuke’s merely talking about her plans of IT, I’m pretty sure this was also debunked in the general discussion thread before, kindly don’t bring those here
Can you give me the link please? I'm not trying to scale anyone to the ETSO because of I wish but what I am saying is that there's statement only but let's be real I never said it will destroy the main world, please read your comment it doesn't make sense because it doesn't need to destroy the main world sasuke never said she plans to destroy the world but we know she loves the main world and that's is the reason she switched into her dimensions, again you don't need to destroy/ have statement of her capable of destroying the main world, we saw kaguya going to destroy her world and also sasuke saw that also in the video above he clearly said that Kaguya Who Nearly Destroyed the world by her existence (not plan) and Idk do you want to say our main world or what? When she never tried to do that in the main world because she loves it

My brother you used one of sasuke's statement so I presented his other statement which clears what he meant about the first statement and my comment was to upgrade ishiki and BM Naruto straight to ETSO to be honest
 
I disagree with that proposal, if you feel it is highly deserved go make your own CRT + IT Plan will lead to the destruction of their (ninja) world as well as shinobi history

This also may qualify as derailing
 
I disagree with that proposal, if you feel it is highly deserved go make your own CRT + IT Plan will lead to the destruction of their (ninja) world as well as shinobi history

This also may qualify as derailing
Where is stated that he was talking about kaguya's plan when she never planned to destroy ninja world but to protect it? Kaguya was going to destroy her world and sasuke said she nearly destroyed the world
 
Where is stated that he was talking about kaguya's plan when she never planned to destroy ninja world but to protect it? Kaguya was going to destroy her world and sasuke said she nearly destroyed the world
You're conflating two unrelated things. Kaguya's plan to preserve her "nursery" would've destroyed the Shinobi world. Not the literal planet, because that's not what they're talking about.
 
Also I don't think Kaguya ever planned to destroy the actual planet. Destroying the world probably just means like the actual society of the Naruto world which is very much what she is doing with It
 
Take this to the OPs wall. ETSO is already accepted. If you think it's misrepresented, make a new thread
I never said the ETSO doesn't exist but what is the relation between sasuke stating that kaguya who nearly destroyed the world with merely existence and the plan he's talking?
 
You're conflating two unrelated things. Kaguya's plan to preserve her "nursery" would've destroyed the Shinobi world. Not the literal planet, because that's not what they're talking about.
Where does that was stated? And what the plan you are talking about? How she will destroy if the shinobi world already was in infinite tsukiyomi before she came so why sasuke never said people like madara and kaguya then? When he only talked about kaguya while madara is the one who destroyed it and why sasuke said the world and not shinobi world? what is your proof?
 
Where does that was stated? And what the plan you are talking about? How she will destroy if the shinobi world already was in infinite tsukiyomi before she came so why sasuke never said people like madara and kaguya then? When he only talked about kaguya while madara is the one who destroyed it and why sasuke said the world and not shinobi world? what is your proof?
Stop talking about it here. I'll start deleting posts that go off-topic.
 
Stop talking about it here. I'll start deleting posts that go off-topic.
Brother when did I bring something outside of this topic? Please read my first comment what I am talking about is sasuke's statement in the OP it's not outside
 
You brought up a completely different scene with extended proposals that I heavily disagree with



Requesting Staff to thread-ban user Garp2 for going off topic
 
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