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why does them being type 1 conceptual beings mean their aca 5 doesn't cover cm 1???Not sure if it covers CM Type 1, cuz it seems to be Type 1 because it’s type 5 aca
thats counterintuitive
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why does them being type 1 conceptual beings mean their aca 5 doesn't cover cm 1???Not sure if it covers CM Type 1, cuz it seems to be Type 1 because it’s type 5 aca
Cause they are unchanging because they are Type 1 Concept beingswhy does them being type 1 conceptual beings mean their aca 5 doesn't cover cm 1???
thats counterintuitive
huh??? you should just make a matchCause they are unchanging because they are Type 1 Concept beings
Id rather wait for Pegasus to clarify if the Type 5 Acasuality does encompass Type 1 Concepts, and if I did, its either a Stomp or Stalemate incon which are both lameeeeeeeeehuh??? you should just make a match
so I'm guessing causality in the verse doesnt encompasses Type 1Contradictions are part of Steampunck lore like for example, nothing exists in Sharnoth, but everything also exists ie it's literal nothingness, just a dark realm, but it also has the shape of buildings....
Their unchanging nature and being type 1 concepts aren't really stated to be intertwined.
You can infer it maybe, it's stated that Sharnoth and thus M/Edison is unchanging, but at the same time Sharnoth is a realm that is beyond time, space and causality.
M being Sharnoth itself, and M being conceptual, you can say Sharnoth is conceptual.
They can deal with Type 2 NEP. Though the only aspects they can't affect is 2 and 3BB characters would still have to deal with Nature Type 2, & 3; Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5 nep
and type 3They can deal with Type 2 NEP. Though the only aspects they can't affect is 2 and 3
He’s still intractable by normal NEP 2, cuz his Type 3 NEP is just replacing the NEP 1 part with NEP 2, and also still no CM Type 1 NEPand type 3
Does wizard 101 have any layersi think kratos vs spider grandpa needs a rematch
Hmm, i'll make the match thenHe’s still intractable by normal NEP 2, cuz his Type 3 NEP is just replacing the NEP 1 part with NEP 2, and also still no CM Type 1 NEP
By what standards do you say this? Sonic standards?Cause they are unchanging because they are Type 1 Concept beings
Acausality (Type 5 - M is beyond time, space and causality[4]. He exists as that which is not within, the outside itself[10], he is a transcendent being of the outer universe[11] of Sharnoth, which is an eternally unchanging world[1]. M is unchanging, with time, and anything else humans value holding no meaning to him[1])By what standards do you say this? Sonic standards?
I mean, im pretty sure type 1 concepts are more abstract/fundemental, and a concept type 2 nep would lack something less abstract/fundementalwe should talk about how it makes no sense for a guy with type 1 concept hax to interact with NEP 2 aspect 2 just because the concept they lack is a type 2 concept. it doesn't matter what number it is, they still lack the concept in the first place
saying, "he doesn't lack a type 1 concept so concept hax can work" doesn't make any sense
this guy is NOT interacting with this guy
it does not matter if the concept number is more fundamental if they lack the concept in the first placeI mean, im pretty sure type 1 concepts are more abstract/fundemental, and a concept type 2 nep would lack something less abstract/fundemental
They would not be lacking the more fundamental concept if they were an aspect 2 for CM2, also since it’s a type 2 Concept, could it still be interacted indirectly because it’s dependent on something in realityit does not matter if the concept number is more fundamental if they lack the concept in the first place
using your logic anyone with CM 1 can interact with nep 2 aspect 2 even though they have no feats of interacting with something like that just because the concept type is different
This doesnt prove anythingif garfield had conceptual manip type 1, do you think he would be able to interact with nep 2 aspect 2 just because the person with nep 2 aspect 2 is a type 2 concept?
Not on my watch he ain't.Billy cypher became 5-D boys, and Dante MAY also become 5-D
Correct, he is 10-DNot on my watch he ain't.
Type 1 Concepts aren't more abstract, they're just independent of reality.I mean, im pretty sure type 1 concepts are more abstract/fundemental, and a concept type 2 nep would lack something less abstract/fundemental
On an abstract/fundamental level, a Type 1 is above what it governs, while a Type 2 is on the same level as what it governsType 1 Concepts aren't more abstract, they're just independent of reality.
They are not above it, they are independent, it's two separate things. Type 1 Concepts, can have superiority over what they govern, however in the default description, they don't.On an abstract/fundamental level, a Type 1 is above what it governs, while a Type 2 is on the same level as what it governs
Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern, except maybe of other concepts of this nature.
If thats the case, shouldnt a Type 2 Concept NEP still be affect still be affected by the alteration of reality, also the NEP page says "They are hence immune to regular manipulation of said concept(s). Which type of concept should be mentioned on the profile." which implies it depends what Type it isThey are not above it, they are independent, it's two separate things. Type 1 Concepts, can have superiority over what they govern, however in the default description, they don't.
That wrong, Type 1 is just independent of reality, the only concept type that is superior to what it governs is Platonic-type concept, since according to platonic concept, the physical reality is just a shadow, and extension of the abstract concept itself. Our type 1 concept is just a broad definition for all concepts that is independent from what it govern, Jungian Archetype also a concept that independent from reality but not superior to it. People just arbitrary think that Type 1 is all platonic-type concept since current type 1 is the fusion of old type 1 which is called true platonic concept and old type 2 which is called false platonic concept bruhhOn an abstract/fundamental level, a Type 1 is above what it governs, while a Type 2 is on the same level as what it governs
?If thats the case, shouldnt a Type 2 Concept NEP still be affect still be affected by the alteration of reality, also the NEP page says "They are hence immune to regular manipulation of said concept(s). Which type of concept should be mentioned on the profile." which implies it depends what Type it is
type 1 Cm is not interacting with nep 2 aspect 2 unless shown FRA...
Also my sematic nitpicking: independent =/= superiority. I'm independent from the house i built, doesn't mean i'm superior to it, the house can still crush me if it fall on me
NGMIHe can't tank a house falling over you
CM1 is just a broad term for concept that independent of reality, something that we, vsbw users created and i will repeat again, independent =/= superiority. There is no most logical explanation here, cause i already gave actual example of why independent concept doesn't mean said concept superior to what it governNGMI
In all reality, that is the most logical explination of how CM1 work
bro what are you talking about? the person with type 1 CM would need proof of affecting the concept of nothingness
The CM Type 1 would not need to directly affect The Concept of Nothingness if the Concept is only type 2, and could instead affect what it's bounded to, if it's bounded to something nonexistent, then sure the Type 1 cant affect either without feats, but if it's bounded to something in reality, it can be affectedbro what are you talking about? the person with type 1 CM would need proof of affecting the concept of nothingness
How is the concept of circles for example going to govern nothingness? Nothingness isn't a circle, it isn't fire, it isn't any concept based on any existing thing. The only concept that would work would be the concept of nothingness which Garfield if he had CM 1 would need proof of affecting
broge thinks CM 1 can interact with nonexistent physiology type 2 aspect 2 if the person with NEP aspect 2 aspect is a type 2 conceptWhat the hell you guys are arguing???
you are just making up your own standards man..The CM Type 1 would not need to directly affect The Concept of Nothingness if the Concept is only type 2, and could instead affect what it's bounded to, if it's bounded to something nonexistent, then sure the Type 1 cant affect either without feats, but if it's bounded to something in reality, it can be affected
I mean, depend, since the NEP guy lack concept aspect, CM can't interact with him, but some fiction characters have feat capable of applying concept into objects, person, etc....these kind of characters can definitely doing something to NEP guy who lack concept. So it is depending on available featsbroge thinks CM 1 can interact with nonexistent physiology type 2 aspect 2 if the person with NEP aspect 2 aspect is a type 2 concept
we are assuming the guy with CM 1 has no feats of interacting with nep 2 aspect 2 if he is a type 2 conceptI mean, depend, since the NEP guy lack concept aspect, concept can't interact with him, but some fiction characters have feat capable of applying concept into objects, person, etc....these kind of characters can definitely doing something to NEP guy who lack concept. So it is depending on available feats