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Demon king win cons
Nature attacks( acidic storm, mist of death aka death manipulation,lightning attacks, darkness crush.
Out lasting Asta
Activating pacifism by summoning a low level demon or beast.
 
...Are you for real?

No seriously, are you for real?

Literally in the second page, Meliodas says "and he even absorbed the magic deflected at him!".

It's ******* magic. Meliodas's Full Counter wouldn't have worked if it wasn’t, and Estarossa's FC is the only one of the 2 capable of deflecting physical strikes.

I hate being lied so blatantly.
Magic in NNT summons natural elements

The ruler turn all attacks into amps and reinforcement.

The profiles are under revisions loads of things have to be changed.
 
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I also remember grayroad stating you need magic or some sort of ability to twist and warp the natural law and a great deal of it :)
Galand could use « Truth » while having 0 « Zero » magic.
 
Which Low 5-B attack is stronger
DK's or Asta's
Dk's is 3.78 zettatons apparently
 
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Asta has a Low 5-B attack with Zetten
Wouldn’t that be restricted? Also it still won’t kill the DK because of his commandments.
Which Low 5-B attack is stronger
DK's or Asta's
Dk's is 3.78 zettatons apparently
Demon king feat is higher he scales to the combo of the sins attack it’s initial value which is above Asta ap and dura.
Demon king win cons
Nature attacks( acidic storm, mist of death aka death manipulation,lightning attacks, darkness crush.
Out lasting Asta
Activating pacifism by summoning a low level demon or beast.
 
Wouldn’t that be restricted? Also it still won’t kill the DK because of his commandments.
Demon king feat is higher he scales to the combo of the sins attack it’s initial value which is above Asta ap and dura.
I've read the thread. My vote for Asta is unlikely to change
 
Yeah this is getting nowhere.

We already are 2.5 pages in and this is just the same back and forth.

This is my last post here.

Commandments:
They don't affect Asta. Not necessarily because he resists them, but because he wouldn't trigger them in the first place.
Asta has no fear, never runs away nor tells lie, has no hatred, even for his enemies, is not the type to kill, and is definitely not faithless or even Selfish. The remaining 2 commandements (Reticence, Repose) are simply irrelevant for this battle (No need to speak/No magic).

The only debate lies on Asta destroying the commandments. Which doesn't matter as permanent death isn't required to win the battle.


Ruler:
Magic ability that is limited to magic vs Magicless guy that use a magicless power that erase all magic abilities and effects.... I wonder how it will end...

Anyways, I already voted Asta before. I'm done here.

And if I see this match goes past the 10th page mark and there's no sign in the match ending soon, I'll immediately make a discussion thread to forbid any BC vs NNT matches. You don't realize how fed up we are with long ass threads. Goodbye.
The Demon King can create a demon by creating a low level demon or create demons by splitting a piece of himself, killing even one of Asta will ensure his death.
 
Oh my God

You guys tagged me 5 times. Stop tagging me

I told y'all I don't want anything to do with this thread anymore.
 
You say this to me, but you are still saying the same thing, you have been arguing amongst yourselves for a day about the ridiculous The Ruler, but we have proved that the orders are curses and not magic.
 
A little neutral. But I will vote for DK

1. Command is absolute (Law Manipulation), if Asta has no resistance, the command will work. Command is not magic, command is created from a part of life as well as power. Although I don't understand if 'Power' here would include magic or not. I just think it doesn't. Because I'm a fan of nnt haha

2. The ruler only applies to magic. Gowther proved it who did Power Nullification using his invasion to destroy it.

Just tell me if you want the proofs.

If I'm late in commenting, I apologize. I'm just bored.
 
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OOOOOOOOH SHI! I ALSO SAW SM RLLY INTERESTING
Hear me out, on the DK's profile, a note says that even though he has the 10 commandments, hasn't been shown to use it himself once or even have it activated once.

So it's not even in character for him 💀
Should we consider them in this fight? Nevermind already using SBA to equalise them
 
Demon king win cons
Nature attacks( acidic storm, mist of death aka death manipulation,lightning attacks, darkness crush.
Out lasting Asta
Activating pacifism by summoning a low level demon or beast.
Are those nature attacks brought about by magic or made by magic?

Also, third sword will negate the effects of pacifism
 
OOOOOOOOH SHI! I ALSO SAW SM RLLY INTERESTING
Hear me out, on the DK's profile, a note says that even though he has the 10 commandments, hasn't been shown to use it himself once or even have it activated once.

So it's not even in character for him 💀
Should we consider them in this fight? Nevermind already using SBA to equalise them
😭🙏 This make no sense
 
Wiki says that since he can offer these powers to someone else, he can use them himself, which is not antifeatted, it has been accepted before, so it can be used.
 
Also, third sword will negate the effects of pacifism
The sword only nullifies the cause and effect of magic.
In other words, it is not annulling any commandment.
  • Causality Break「因果解放 Inga Kaihō, Viz: "Fate Release"」: It absorbs and removes the effects of spells by severing the cause-and-effect relationship. The sword emanates tendrils of Anti Magic that touch those affected by magic and then draw back into the sword, turning the blade black. Since the ability affects causality, these tendrils negate not only the magic but also its effects, such as the tissue damage caused by a magical poison; the other Anti Magic Weapons cannot do this and affect only active magic.
 
Are those nature attacks brought about by magic or made by magic?

Also, third sword will negate the effects of pacifism
Asta third sword is not passive he has to activate it. Like people need to stop wanking certain abilities. Again DK can manipulate nature like I said it’s natural. Also pacifism is instantaneous.
 
😭🙏 This make no sense
basically, if you read the notes on his page, it goes "Note: Despite providing the Ten Commandments with their abilities, the Demon King has never demonstrated the ability to use the Commandments himself." and that's perhaps because his power is an amalgamation of his commandments? I'd like to know what's going on there before I start drawing off my own conclusions.
So I said there's a possibility that it's not in character for him to use these commandments.
Wiki says that since he can offer these powers to someone else, he can use them himself, which is not antifeatted, it has been accepted before, so it can be used.
Wiki? You mean his page on our wiki site or his page on the NNT wiki site? Because you're kind of saying something different to what the notes say. Antifeated or not, has he used them in combat or at all??
Also, since Anti-Magic is a spell, can't it be reversed by DK? The speeds are equal after all
Anti-magic isn't a spell. It's an ability, it's not magic because it's quite literally the opposite of it. That's an association fallacy. Kind of like how I would say curses are automatically magic according to what the defenition of a a curse is stated in the dictionary, contrary to what the verse supposedly implies, you get what I mean?

The sword only nullifies the cause and effect of magic.
In other words, it is not annulling any commandment.
For a day I have proved with 3-4 raw panels that the commandments are not magic and that they are laws, they still do not understand
Sure babe. And then I replied; Suppose an individual has magic and magical power according to your verse, say for example, a big dude like the DK, and he were to split his power into half and split that half into 10 which would be called the commandments, but considering the fact that an individual with any sort of power is magical and nothing else?? BUT APPARENTLY his power that he halved and split into ten ISN'T magic but power in your verse is comprised of strength, magic and spirit?
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I seriously hope I'm not being lied to with this.
I remember Grayroad also saying that the curses aren't "ordinary magic power/abilities" power or abilities, forgot what she said, but I could just say that it's still magic, yet just a different type or works a different way than ordinary magic, despite it still being magic.
Asta third sword is not passive he has to activate it. Like people need to stop wanking certain abilities. Again DK can manipulate nature like I said it’s natural. Also pacifism is instantaneous.
Nobody argued that causality break was instantaneous, at the very least, Asta needs to touch it and then activate it which takes no time at all. (Isn't Asta resistant to time manipulation?) I guess that's different when it's 2 different types of time abilities.) Pacifism's curse is quick and quick to kill from what I've read and watched. It's not instant death so I'll say that Asta has time to nullify those effects.
Demon king win cons
Nature attacks( acidic storm, mist of death aka death manipulation,lightning attacks, darkness crush.
Out lasting Asta
Activating pacifism by summoning a low level demon or beast.
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Resistance to lightning attacks here and yes I know yall are gon cry about it being magic.
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  • Resistance to Heat Manipulation: (By coating his body with Anti-Magic, Asta can create a technique akin to Mana Skin, which allows him to run across the Yultim Volcano, a grand Magic Region which can reduce a human to cinders)"
ON TOP OF THAAT, apparently, Arthur scales 33 to 189 exatons for his moon level key. Assuming that's the same for the demon king, Asta's moon level key is at 354.6 exatons. So the demon king's AP is just slightly over half that of Asta's durability, so I think he's totally fine.
The demon king is also NOT outlasting Asta. Both Asta and the demon king have superhuman levels of stamina. That's never been a wincon ever, and then he has less AP which isn't good.

I also saw density manipulation with darkness crush, but how's that working if his AP is just over half that of Asta's at a high ball, DK lifting strength class T, Asta lifting strength class Z. He'll likely do just fine against the DK.

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An energy storm? Not natural but energy is interesting, is he bringing this about with magic? If yes, I'm immediately assuming this is getting black hurricaned gg.
Mist of death (death manipulation) and his acid storm is also interesting. Is mist of death a curse brought about by magic? That would make it a hax stomp because death is completely instant in which case this wouldn't be applied to pages. for arguments sakes however, it's not in character for the DK to use them in a fight. we havent seen him use any of his nature attacks besides his passive enviro destruction in a fight because he hasn't done it. It's not in character do so, TLDR: these shouldn't be considered wincons.
 
Magic in NNT summons natural elements

The ruler turn all attacks into amps and reinforcement.

The profiles are under revisions loads of things have to be changed.
how lovely. Asta will cut off the demon king's magic which will stop him from summoning natural elements. and he did this to lucifero and langris through physical contact or black meteorite.

edit: it's not in character for asta to use TDU. PDU and zetten shuts off the DK's magic power and also gets him unconscious OR again, black meteorite
 
I will answer all of these later, as far as I can tell now, I have already sent you a raw panel and proved that this is not magic, but you still insist. Why would the Demon King's division of his power into laws make it magic?
 
I will answer all of these later, as far as I can tell now, I have already sent you a raw panel and proved that this is not magic, but you still insist. Why would the Demon King's division of his power into laws make it magic?
because thats power modification. he can modify his magic power, but I dont see anything about him modifying his commandments. he did create them, no? if it comes from his magical power which consists of str, mag and spirit, then I'm left to believe that it's magic.
 
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