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Asta (BC) vs Demon King (NNT)

Epsilon_R said:
This is why I hate nnt match-ups

"The Ruler: The Demon King's eponymous magic ability that also goes by his own name. It allows the user to invert all magical attacks sent at him, including Meliodas and Ban's Full Counter and Snatch abilities. All magical attacks and weakness are converted into healing and fortification."

This comes from Demon King's profile. "Magical", this word is listed 3 freaking times, 3 times.

DK's profile CLEARLY MENTIONS Ruler being limited to Magic, with the SD being limited to Physical abilities, yet you are trying to lie in our face and say it affects both?

Make it make sense.
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Say less, can even absorb a natural lightning bolt as shown here, Wild's normal attacks don't work either, as we confirm from a secure source like Meliodas. You failed to provide an answer to the orders
 
MeliodasDeUzyy said:
Say less, can even absorb a natural lightning bolt as shown here, Wild's normal attacks don't work either, as we confirm from a secure source like Meliodas. You failed to provide an answer to the orders
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...Are you for real?

No seriously, are you for real?

Literally in the second page, Meliodas says "and he even absorbed the magic deflected at him!".

It's ******* magic. Meliodas's Full Counter wouldn't have worked if it wasn’t, and Estarossa's FC is the only one of the 2 capable of deflecting physical strikes.

I hate being lied so blatantly.
 
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Epsilon_R said:
...Are you for real?

No seriously, are you for real?

Literally in the second page, Wild says "and he even absorbed the magic deflected at him!".

It's ******* magic. Meliodas's Full Counter wouldn't have worked if it wasn’t, and Estarossa's FC is the only one of the 2 capable of deflecting physical strikes.

I hate being lied so blatantly.
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Isn't it "even" deflect magic? I think he says he absorbed the lightning and magic, nvm DK win with Commandments
 
MeliodasDeUzyy said:
Isn't it "even" deflect magic? I think he says he absorbed the lightning and magic, nvm DK win with Commandments
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No, it's "I did, but didn't work...", then "...and he even re-absorbed the magic deflected at him!".

If Lightning was something different, Wild would have made the difference. And again, Full Counter wouldn't have worked on the Lightning if it wasn’t magic.
 
Epsilon_R said:
No, it's "I did, but didn't work", then "and he even re-absorbed the magic deflected at him!".

If Lightning was something different, Wild would have made the difference. And again, Full Counter wouldn't have worked on the Lightning if it wasn’t magic.
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You're wrong here, in the final wars Meliodas reflected a natural lightning. I gtg to sleep i will continue tomorrow
 
MeliodasDeUzyy said:
You're wrong here, in the final wars Meliodas reflected a natural lightning. I gtg to sleep i will contunuie tomorrow
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What makes you think it was natural to begin with? This whole environmental destruction all over the world was caused by their power in the first place,

And no I not, wrong. I was right actually but decided to bring a whole different feat from a whole different chapter and pretend to act like it was the same lightning as the one you initially brought up as an argument (the latter happened in a completely different dimension too)
 
Epsilon_R said:
No, it's "I did, but didn't work...", then "...and he even re-absorbed the magic deflected at him!".

If Lightning was something different, Wild would have made the difference. And again, Full Counter wouldn't have worked on the Lightning if it wasn’t magic.
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Fc has been shown to work on non magical things before check Meliodas profile. But you are right the ruler only works on magical attacks since Nakaba thought it would be too op if it worked on all attacks.
 
Epsilon_R said:
What makes you think it was natural to begin with? This whole environmental destruction all over the world was caused by their power in the first place,
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Let’s be real here WOU does environmental destruction but that doesn’t mean they are magical or supernatural it’s just a reaction to its presence and what the stand represents.
 
MeliodasDeUzyy said:
Even the Demon King was surprised by its ability to respond to a random lightning bolt from the clouds.
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That single page doesn't even show Meliodas nor DK. And he's more so surprised by the speed at which he deflected the lightning.

speedster352 said:
Let’s be real here WOU does environmental destruction but that doesn’t mean they are magical or supernatural it’s just a reaction to its presence and what the stand represents.
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And just because its a reaction to its presence that doesn't mean the lightning wasn't magic. Like come on, FC has a freaking rule for a reason.
 
Epsilon_R said:
That single page doesn't even show Meliodas nor DK. And he's more so surprised by the speed at which he deflected the lightning.


And just because its a reaction to its presence that doesn't mean the lightning wasn't magic. Like come on, FC has a freaking rule for a reason.
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He said "He deflect a Lightning?"
 
MeliodasDeUzyy said:
You're wrong here, in the final wars Meliodas reflected a natural lightning. I gtg to sleep i will continue tomorrow
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Not true at all.

1. Never stated to use FC. Infact in every instance Full Counter was used, Meliodas had to be directly infront of the attack.

This isn’t the case here.

2. He used an Air slash to reflect the lighting.

3. If it was “Full Counter” it would be obviously mentioned at the moment but it isn’t because it ain’t full counter
 
Yeah this is getting nowhere.

We already are 2.5 pages in and this is just the same back and forth.

This is my last post here.

Commandments:
They don't affect Asta. Not necessarily because he resists them, but because he wouldn't trigger them in the first place.
Asta has no fear, never runs away nor tells lie, has no hatred, even for his enemies, is not the type to kill, and is definitely not faithless or even Selfish. The remaining 2 commandements (Reticence, Repose) are simply irrelevant for this battle (No need to speak/No magic).

The only debate lies on Asta destroying the commandments. Which doesn't matter as permanent death isn't required to win the battle.


Ruler:
Magic ability that is limited to magic vs Magicless guy that use a magicless power that erase all magic abilities and effects.... I wonder how it will end...

Anyways, I already voted Asta before. I'm done here.

And if I see this match goes past the 10th page mark and there's no sign in the match ending soon, I'll immediately make a discussion thread to forbid any BC vs NNT matches. You don't realize how fed up we are with long ass threads. Goodbye.
 
Majinere566 said:
Never stated to use FC. Infact in every instance Full Counter was used, Meliodas had to be directly infront of the attack.
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Meliodas was able to reflect Gilthunder attack from behind he turned around and reflected it so we can’t just assume he can’t deflect things at different angles. Was it really an air slash why was it reflected then?
 
I am voting for the demon king for now
Epsilon_R said:
The only debate lies on Asta destroying the commandments. Which doesn't matter as permanent death isn't required to win the battle.
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Can Asta counter natural things like mists of death, acidic storms and natural attacks? Also the commandments could just be forced into asta and destroy his body
 
MeliodasDeUzyy said:
Ah okay, then i will use offical databook scan for this.

〈十戒〉はそれぞれが魔神王から 「戒禁」という能力を授かってい る。彼らの前で戒禁を破った者 は、定められた災いが降りかかる。 例えば「真実」の戒禁を持つガ ランの前で嘘をつくと、その者 はたちまち石化してしまう･･･ という具合だ。まさに恐怖の特 殊能力と言わざるを得ない。

Each of the Ten Commandments is endowed with the ability of "commandment forbidden" by the Demon King. Whoever breaks a commandment in front of them is subject to a predetermined evil. For example, if a lie is told in front of Garan, who holds the commandment of Truth, the person is instantly petrified... This is a truly terrifying special ability.

This is proving me
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Demon_Lord18 said:
The commandments work even with 0 amount of magic, that is, they are not magical. Case closed. :cool:
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that proves nothing 💀, that makes full counter a curse ability then
MeliodasDeUzyy said:
Just wait, i find a raw and i will prove its not magic
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speedster352 said:
Here you go
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speedster352 said:
I am voting for the demon king for now
Can Asta counter natural things like mists of death, acidic storms and natural attacks? Also the commandments could just be forced into asta and destroy his body
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folks as you can see here, it's stated that DK split his power into 10 (smart guy frl) to give to ten indvis. If im not a total dumbass, i remember that power or power levels are made up of magic, strength and spirit. so lets say he amalgamated that number and split it into ten, you're forcing me to belive that these fragments of the DK's power called the TC's aren't... magic?

I saw the "ordinary magic" line from grayroad but I could still sit here to say that even if it's not ordinary magic, it's still magic yet a different type? like what the wiki says, it's curse magic power?

i'd also love to mention that asta's third sword ALSO makes a shield of anti magic, similar to how Griamore operates wall in that it surrounds and protects him. he's free to attack from it nonetheless.
 
Just stopping by to let you know that Meliodas can reflect non-magical things (it's listed on his profile) and The Ruller is obviously magical.
 
Demon king win cons
Nature attacks( acidic storm, mist of death aka death manipulation,lightning attacks, darkness crush.
Out lasting Asta
Activating pacifism by summoning a low level demon or beast.
 
Epsilon_R said:
...Are you for real?

No seriously, are you for real?

Literally in the second page, Meliodas says "and he even absorbed the magic deflected at him!".

It's ******* magic. Meliodas's Full Counter wouldn't have worked if it wasn’t, and Estarossa's FC is the only one of the 2 capable of deflecting physical strikes.

I hate being lied so blatantly.
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Magic in NNT summons natural elements

The ruler turn all attacks into amps and reinforcement.

The profiles are under revisions loads of things have to be changed.
 
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