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fodder limitless+six eyes userEven this, I mean that it's his greatest weapon
But don't forget that theres someone with the six eyes and limitless was killed by Mahoraga.
because blue uses hax to make every strike a critical hitYuta and Hakari can't even withstand a suppressed punch from Gojo,
what I said beforewith Uraume (who's comparable to them stat wise) suffering massive internal damage she can't even RCT from via a random punch from a fatigued Gojo
As sorcerers, not APYuta and Hakari are also the same people who are talked of as relative to Yuki
Not necessarily. That's her as a sorcerer being in the same level as Yuta, but her AP would punch through Gojo's skull.suggesting that even whilst she may have an edge in AP it's not going to be a one-shot level gap (otherwise they wouldn't even be in the same conversation as her).
This proves my point more. Every time he's in a fight, it's always about his ct, when he's fighting Jogo, Jogo points out he's not just using ce infused attacks, Blue's amping him. The beginning of the manga has Sukuna saying similar as well, Blue aids Gojo in speed and power tremendously. After Gojo trained, Getou deemed him the strongest, this wasn't based on ce reinforcement, its all ct. I'm already saying I agree Gojo is strong, but that is not what makes him the strongest.no? Every time Gojo is in a major conflict his CT is being countered in some way where he has to rely on his other abilities, in which we're always told by the characters that Gojo isn't just a man with a good CT but also just a powerhouse in almost every other way.
AKA amping it's AP, which makes it still relevant to a discussion about AP. Even then, Gojo is shown to still be keeping up with Sukuna physically without blue, so the difference isn't that large.because blue uses hax to make every strike a critical hit
How is she on the same level as Yuta if she'd just casually punch through Yuta's body like it's nothing, Rika too? What feats does she have to even suggest this?Not necessarily. That's her as a sorcerer being in the same level as Yuta, but her AP would punch through Gojo's skull.
You can say they go hand in hand Six Eyes makes the ct a lot easier to useGojo is the strongest because of the six eyes not because of his CT
Amping its lethality by manipulating space to land a critical hit. The actual energy used and force is lessAKA amping it's AP
When does he physically keep up with Sukuna without blue?AP. Even then, Gojo is shown to still be keeping up with Sukuna physically without blue, so the difference isn't that large.
Because Yuta would avoid this happening.How is she on the same level as Yuta if she'd just casually punch through Yuta's body like it's nothing, Rika too? What feats does she have to even suggest this?
ACTUALLY it's stated in the fanbook that the six eyes make the limitless the strongest cursed techniqueGojo is the strongest because of the six eyes not because of his CT
It's kinda the whole package that makes him the strongestThis proves my point more. Every time he's in a fight, it's always about his ct, when he's fighting Jogo, Jogo points out he's not just using ce infused attacks, Blue's amping him. The beginning of the manga has Sukuna saying similar as well, Blue aids Gojo in speed and power tremendously. After Gojo trained, Getou deemed him the strongest, this wasn't based on ce reinforcement, its all ct. I'm already saying I agree Gojo is strong, but that is not what makes him the strongest.
He didn't defeat Meguna? 10s is the very reason Sukuna won. And it rivals the limitless because of how versatile it is and because of Mahoraga. This has nothing to do with my original point. Gojo is a random limitless six eyes user, Sukuna says this pretty blatantly.It's kinda the whole package that makes him the strongest
If he's just a random limitless six eyes user he wouldn't have been the strongest
He said 10 shadows rival the limitless, Mahoraga killed a limitless six eyes user
Yet he defeated the strongest 10S user of all times (Meguna)
It doesn't if Gojo is still a high tier fighter and still considered the strongest sorcerer even when his CT is being cancelled out, how is his title of strongest ONLY about his CT?This proves my point more.
This doesn't follow, Gojo could've also improved his reinforcement in that time, it's not like pre-RCT Gojo = current Gojo in stats.After Gojo trained, Getou deemed him the strongest, this wasn't based on ce reinforcement, its all ct. I'm already saying I agree Gojo is strong, but that is not what makes him the strongest.
You simply don't know what you're talking about. Blue attracts things into his fist so it feels like a counter punch, the same way when you're fighting you're supposed to roll with the punches you take to mitigate the shock and doing otherwise would **** you over. Nothing about this is negating AP for "lethality" (a false distinction also).Amping its lethality by manipulating space
We've had this argument before, you know he was lmfao. Like when he kicked Sukuna and sent Sukuna flying backwards, TWICE.When does he physically keep up with Sukuna without blue?
So Yuta is relative to Yuki and yet Yuta can finish her off without ever being hit once or needing to ever block or wrestle with her? That's not relativity, your argument is incoherent.Because Yuta would avoid this happening.
Punching through Kenjaku's arms = punching through Gojo's body? Where's the connection here?When Yuki can punch through Kenjaku and use the second highest AP in the verse
Read what I said againHe didn't defeat Meguna? 10s is the very reason Sukuna won. And it rivals the limitless because of how versatile it is and because of Mahoraga.
Which is baseless, you just ignored what I saidGojo is a random limitless six eyes user, Sukuna says this pretty blatantly.
I don't think they ever claimed it was JUST that. Also his CT isn't off completely, just weakenedIt doesn't if Gojo is still a high tier fighter and still considered the strongest sorcerer even when his CT is being cancelled out, how is his title of strongest ONLY about his CT?
His cursed technique was never off, just weakened.We've had this argument before, you know he was lmfao. Like when he kicked Sukuna and sent Sukuna flying backwards, TWICE.
It literally is. Gojo loses to the black hole, but beats Yuki before she uses it. The same way, Yuta beats Yuki, but wins before dying to her amped hitsSo Yuta is relative to Yuki and yet Yuta can finish her off without ever being hit once or needing to ever block or wrestle with her? That's not relativity, your argument is incoherent.
She can amp it to the point it's using planetary masses, so she'd punch through Gojo, who is unequivocally consistetly tier 7, and nowhere close to tier 6, much less 5Punching through Kenjaku's arms = punching through Gojo's body? Where's the connection here?
This is the funny thing Yuta's cleave giving paper cuts to Sukuna. People were expecting this to do some serious damageSpeaking about this, the brain damaged parts or whatever is just stupid
Gojo says the damage Sukuna took was on the area responsible for barrier techniques, which made using domain not possible, that doesn't explain how Sukuna could use HWB which is a barrier technique (It might also indicate that even his HWB was nerfed, but still had enough output to match Yuta's domain output which is a big L for Yuta's side lmfao)
"Gojo CAN'T USE his cursed technique since his domain was destroyed" - does this sound like it was only 'weakened'?His cursed technique was never off, just weakened.
You're not engaging with what I'm saying. If character A can beat B without ever being hit, blocking a hit, or wrestling with them in any way then such a huge speed advantage makes it so they're not comparable fighters - and such a speed advantage why fly in the face of Yuta being below Kenjaku if he could just evade everything.It literally is. Gojo loses to the black hole, but beats Yuki before she uses it. The same way, Yuta beats Yuki, but wins before dying to her amped hits
Kenjaku's head survived a full power punch from her, so therefore Kenjaku has planetary durability? Kenjaku and Yuki are planetary fighters whilst Gojo and Sukuna are only town level?She can amp it to the point it's using planetary masses, so she'd punch through Gojo, who is unequivocally consistetly tier 7
He literally used red to destroy Sukuna’s"Gojo CAN'T USE his cursed technique since his domain was destroyed" - does this sound like it was only 'weakened'?
You’re presupposing it’s a speed advantageYou're not engaging with what I'm saying. If character A can beat B without ever being hit, blocking a hit, or wrestling with them in any way then such a huge speed advantage makes it so they're not comparable fighters - and such a speed advantage why fly in the face of Yuta being below Kenjaku if he could just evade everything.
He got sent flying away and it went through his armsKenjaku's head survived a full power punch from her, so therefore Kenjaku has planetary durability? Kenjaku and Yuki are planetary fighters whilst Gojo and Sukuna are only town level?
Read what I said again
He defeated the strongest 10S user
He didn't defeat Sukuna
Gojo literally won against the 10S while it was used by the strongest 10S user
Idk what type of mental gymnastics you're doing but stop. Gojo lost to the 10s, it is the very reason Gojo lost. That's my whole point. If you wanna say "well actually Gojo lost to world slash", the reason Sukuna even got there was due to 10s. And this whole thing is about the Limitless being why he's the strongest, and how did he beat Mahoraga?Which is baseless, you just ignored what I said
Gojo >> Mahoraga > random limitless six eyes user
Sukuna was literally proven wrong after that statement, in fact when Gojo died Sukuna said "you were magnificent"
No you're slightly taking this out of context. The remark is meant to praise and raise Gojo to what no one ever recognized him as, that he is just Gojo Satoru, he's not the strongest. He's magnificent, in the fact that he's a good sorcerer, nothing more like Sukuna is.Sukuna was literally proven wrong after that statement, in fact when Gojo died Sukuna said "you were magnificent"
When is he considered the strongest without his ct? Not cancelled out. Gojo can have super strength, be really fast and smart but all of that is overshadowed by the Limitless in jujutsu society.It doesn't if Gojo is still a high tier fighter and still considered the strongest sorcerer even when his CT is being cancelled out, how is his title of strongest ONLY about his CT?
So what if he could've improved, the fact remains Geto deems him the strongest after seeing how much he's progressed his Limitless usageThis doesn't follow, Gojo could've also improved his reinforcement in that time, it's not like pre-RCT Gojo = current Gojo in stats.
Btw, you used a quote of Jogo complimenting his CT but failed to point out how, in a fight where Gojo lacked blue, he also said:
"He's this strong even though he's only using cursed energy manipulation and physical attacks?! Satoru Gojo... is there anything you don't have?!" - Jogo
When are you referring to? After they were both brain damaged and had already spammed domains? And bruh why do you keep bringing up stuff not relevant to the discussion? I never said Gojo wasn't fast or strong, I'm saying those don't make him the strongest.Not to mention how Gojo, even when his blue was cancelled out via CT burn out, would still be keeping up with Sukuna and overpowering him with strikes.
Nah he said it was close to it.Gojo says the damage Sukuna took was on the area responsible for barrier techniques,
Kenjaku's head survived a full power punch from her, so therefore Kenjaku has planetary durability? Kenjaku and Yuki are planetary fighters whilst Gojo and Sukuna are only town level?
Where is it said she increased it to such a level? It's more so that she can increase it to such a density, not that she's always doing so, and knowing Kenjaku isn't some durability god, I don't see why she'd need to.He got sent flying away and it went through his arms
If you hold Kenjaku against a wall and punch him with that same force it goes through his skull
Did you read the fight? Gojo did that AFTER regenerating from his burnt out CT.He literally used red to destroy Sukuna’s
That scenario would be a speed advantage, yes.You’re presupposing it’s a speed advantage
If you punched someone in the head with planetary force, their head would explode or going flying off his shoulders, the fact it didn't and all he got was a bruise means his durability can withstand such force.He got sent flying away and it went through his arms
If you hold Kenjaku against a wall and punch him with that same force it goes through his skull
There's never ANY feats or implications of his stats being overshadowed by others, if anything the opposite with his scaling to Sukuna and Sukuna's current showings, and when Gojo was fighting without his CT he was still regarded as the strongest sorcerer alive and was glazed by his own opponent for his raw stats.When is he considered the strongest without his ct? Not cancelled out. Gojo can have super strength, be really fast and smart but all of that is overshadowed by the Limitless in jujutsu society.
If you admit he could've improved his stats, you can't then say his title was ONLY about his CT. You're making a false deduction.So what if he could've improved, the fact remains Geto deems him the strongest after seeing how much he's progressed his Limitless usage
I'm referring to during the domain battles, and how is it irrelevant? You're saying Gojo lacks the best stat feats and I'm listing off his feats?When are you referring to? After they were both brain damaged and had already spammed domains? And bruh why do you keep bringing up stuff not relevant to the discussion? I never said Gojo wasn't fast or strong, I'm saying those don't make him the strongest.
I'm working within Guac's own argument, he claimed Yuki would punch through Gojo because she has planetary punches whilst Gojo has town level durability, I'm demonstrating why that doesn't work via the inverse scaling of the series.Where is it said she increased it to such a level?
Not necessarily, noThat scenario would be a speed advantage, yes
She didn’t do this, that’s why. She didn’t hit him with her max force necessarily.If you punched someone in the head with planetary force, their head would explode or going flying off his shoulders, the fact it didn't and all he got was a bruise means his durability can withstand such force.
The feats do in fact show thisThere's never ANY feats or implications of his stats being overshadowed by others, if anything the opposite with his scaling to Sukuna and Sukuna's current showings, and when Gojo was fighting without his CT he was still regarded as the strongest sorcerer alive and was glazed by his own opponent for his raw stats.
It doesI'm working within Guac's own argument, he claimed Yuki would punch through Gojo because she has planetary punches whilst Gojo has town level durability, I'm demonstrating why that doesn't work via the inverse scaling of the series
Yeah and you know what that translates to?Yeah all of that is about jujutsu sorcery, it isn't just about ce reinforcement strength is the point. We can all agree Sukuna and Gojo are better overall but the story makes it clear Gojo's strongest status comes from his ct, Sukuna's strongest status comes from his capabilities as a sorcerer is all. And we see this through all the praise they get for their knowledge and cursed technique skill.
Not necessarily. We have a instance where a limitless + six eyes user, died to a untamed Mahoraga.Gojo is the strongest because of the six eyes not because of his CT
nah it only makes it possible to use it. it is stated, that you can't use Limitless without six eyes. Completely impossible.You can say they go hand in hand Six Eyes makes the ct a lot easier to use
It was a tamed Mahoraga even, amped by a fellow strongest sorcerer in verse.Gojo >> Mahoraga > random limitless six eyes user
I never said he's lacking the best stat feats LMAO. My point is that all these feats don't matter, Six Eyes/Limitless is what makes him the strongest.I'm referring to during the domain battles, and how is it irrelevant? You're saying Gojo lacks the best stat feats and I'm listing off his feats?
You can say they go hand in hand Six Eyes makes the ct a lot easier to use
Ah okay, you think the "strongest" statements refer also to ce reinforcement so therefore Yuki's mass increase couldn't possibly be above Gojo. Gojo can be stronger in ce reinforcement compared to Yuki but Yuki is operating on a different metric here, she's hitting with virtual mass not ce reinforcement.I'm working within Guac's own argument, he claimed Yuki would punch through Gojo because she has planetary punches whilst Gojo has town level durability, I'm demonstrating why that doesn't work via the inverse scaling of the series.
How?Not necessarily, no
She was bloodlusted and amped herself with a binding vow, how was it not her max force?She didn’t do this, that’s why. She didn’t hit him with her max force necessarily.
Show the feats then.The feats do in fact show this
I'm literally listing off feats, how is my argument just "disbelief"? I'm aware a sorcerer can be superior without necessarily having better stats, I've never argued Gojo is stronger just because he's the best sorcerer, I'm saying his FEATS are better.Your arguments are legit just disbelief that sorcerer strength ≠ stats.
Then we miscommunicated, I assumed you were backing Guac's point of Gojo having worse feats than Yuki, Yuta, Hakari, and Kenjaku and only being significant due to his CT.I never said he's lacking the best stat feats LMAO. My point is that all these feats don't matter, Six Eyes/Limitless is what makes him the strongest.
You says this a lot about Naoya, Choso, etc., why do you think someone being a certain age determines their potential? You realise different characters have different potential, right?I’ll say also for the record Gojo in JJK0 is just current Gojo - some space manipulation. He’s like 30, he can’t keep increasing his stats and whatnot that much that deep into his career
That was a tamed mahoraga, amped by Sukuna. And he lost to a binding vow sukuna. you think that's "10S > Gojo"?Idk what type of mental gymnastics you're doing but stop. Gojo lost to the 10s, it is the very reason Gojo lost. That's my whole point. If you wanna say "well actually Gojo lost to world slash", the reason Sukuna even got there was due to 10s. And this whole thing is about the Limitless being why he's the strongest, and how did he beat Mahoraga?
Yeah it does? What can anybody in verse bar Sukuna do before gojo turns them into a blood mist without ct. that still isn't the strongest? bro what are you talking about.So what if he could've improved, the fact remains Geto deems him the strongest after seeing how much he's progressed his Limitless usage
And cool that Jogo said that, it does not make Gojo the strongest.
And he's regarded as a "special grade sorcerer" on a different level amongst those special grade sorcerers. Which would also apply to the stats... because that's how you use your CE as a sorcerer.Gojo is the “strongest sorcerer” meaning the best one overall, not the one with the best stats and no statements praising him as an overall powerhouse mean all his stats > everyone else’s.
Which is only up to a certain extent. He still has to improve on his own. It is literally the reason as to why he's far above that nameless limitless + six eyes user, and why his talent is seperate from the six eyes in the guidebook.You must know the Six Eyes manipulates ce to a better extent than others, even Sukuna, so all these feats you're listing is all thanks to the Six Eyes. And I already said before
and gojo smokes the entire verse bar Sukuna without his ct. what part of it did you not get.I think I'm done here. Ima drop one page to prove my point in this. If you still disagree, that's fine we can just agree to disagree since this doesn't seem to be ending with any meaningful conclusion.
Nope. You're unable to use jujutsu, Yuji. Other than simple shikigami or barriers... The ability to use cursed techniques is intrinsic. A jujutsu sorcerer's skill set is about 80% innate talent
He’s losing to Yuta without his CT, NGL. A tag team of Yuta, Rika, Ryu, and Uro take him out.and gojo smokes the entire verse bar Sukuna without his ct. what part of it did you not get.
every time you open your mouth it's just bullshit after bullshitHe’s losing to Yuta without his CT, NGL. A tag team of Yuta, Rika, Ryu, and Uro take him out.
We know no CT Gojo ~ Miguel, and Miguel is < Yuta. Yuta catches him in a domain too and gets him. Note, I am excluding any jujutsu, it’s only physicals Gojo vs those people
Gojo doesn’t have that big of a stat advantage on any of the 3 heavy hitters.every time you open your mouth it's just bullshit after bullshit
this is just debate baiting atp, get some actually interesting topics your downplay and KT-wannabe hot takes are getting dullGojo doesn’t have that big of a stat advantage on any of the 3 heavy hitters.
Piercing blood is worth using against Gojo and it’s a supersonic (regular, not +) attack which even Choso can use to its limits in terms of speed
If that was true, then he wouldn't have had to fight Sukuna solo. Hell, Sukuna wouldn't be giving everyone the work right now, with mostly his base stats at a weakened level.Gojo doesn’t have that big of a stat advantage on any of the 3 heavy hitters.
Piercing blood is worth using against Gojo and it’s a supersonic (regular, not +) attack which even Choso can use to its limits in terms of speed
They’re cold takes lil bro. Me and KT still disagree on a lot, and it’s coincidence that he’s right. I don’t follow him out of motivated reasoningthis is just debate baiting atp, get some actually interesting topics your downplay and KT-wannabe hot takes are getting dull
This is because his jujutsu itself is far above, and he can’t use his peak skill without people getting in the way.If that was true, then he wouldn't have had to fight Sukuna solo. Hell, Sukuna wouldn't be giving everyone the work right now, with mostly his base stats at a weakened level.
It’s still not that insane of an advantage. He’s not like over 100x stronger than them without his CTGojo's title as the strongest came majorly from his CT and Six Eyes, but his actual stats aren't to snuff at. He went up against Full Power Sukuna's domain, dismantle and cleave and ate those attacks. Whereas everyone else currently fighting Sukuna understands that a single cleave without RCT is wraps.
What I mean by big stat advantage is something like him being star level while the heavy hitters are town level, but even then it doesn’t go beyond something like a 100x difference counting the cursed techniqueHis stats being above the others should be clear from that alone. And while they got room to grow, I except we'll be seeing some of that when we resume Yuji v Sukuna, as it stands right now, he's definitely got a big stat advantage on the 3 heavy hitters.
Guac just likes being contrarianWhy is this mf even presuming a 100x figure lmao
I’m saying in a hypothetical where you think he has a higher AP than Yuki’s BH, like it seemed someone was about to argueWhy is this mf even presuming a 100x figure lmao