Former serial killer vs Subaru (0-0-0)

[Franstel]

Subaru just stomped a high schooler so how would he fare against a middleschooler bussineman.

Rules:​

• The fight happen in San Francisco, both spawn at a random locations 10 kilometers away from each other.
• The city is totally empty no one exist beside them.
• They are allowed to use whatever they can get their hands on.
• Speed unequal
• Last key Subaru is used
• SBA otherwise

Votes:​

Subaru:
AP: 1,17 Megajoule

Kurt Wyn:
AP= 375 J on his own, 570 J with his glock

William Scion enter the Arena (inconclusive)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Subaru stomps, because

1. Magic is perception speed, he can just cast minya and gg him
2. rbd overrides other forms of acausality type 1, like it did with Al
3. i dont think you can start characters 10kms away from each other lol

this is like the 10th matchup of today, can we slow down?

 

[Franstel]

Subaru stomps, because

1. Magic is perception speed, he can just cast minya and gg him

Arc 5-8 key is used he can't use magic without Beatrice

1. rbd overrides other forms of acausality type 1, like it did with Al

In the real world she don't kill humans, she just knock them out/incapacitate them.

1. i dont think you can start characters 10kms away from each other lol

You can 4 km max is for SBA, I don't even think any rules prevent you from starting the two fighter several universes away if you want (might try it if I find the right fighters)

this is like the 10th matchup of today, can we slow down?

Okay

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Might be the big forehead but i am put off by her design

Arc 5-8 key is used he can't use magic without Beatrice

true ig, he still has patrasche

In the real world she don't kill humans, she just knock them out/incapacitate them.

yeah but that doesn't mean Subaru wont kill himself, he has a suicide pill in this key (thats not on his profile yet for some weird reason). On that note though, he is not gonna have much problem dealing with her, Her Analytical prediction is fine but Subaru's perception speed is 1 million times higher here, he can easily calculate how to defeat her or what word choices to make. IP diff is also still a real possibility as it scales vastly above his value.

You can 4 km max is for SBA, I don't even think any rules prevent you from starting the two fighter several universes away if you want (might try it if I find the right fighters)

10 kilometers for these is weird but ig that gives Subaru a pretty good advantage due to being able to figure out the surroundings locations in the first loop and also using patrasche to travel around faster

 

[Franstel]

yeah but that doesn't mean Subaru wont kill himself, he has a suicide pill in this key (thats not on his profile yet for some weird reason).

Maybe but Subaru won't kill himself if he just get punched once or twice , he is not his IF self that commit suicide at the slightest inconvenience. Also once he get knocked out he pretty much lost .

On that note though, he is not gonna have much problem dealing with her, Her Analytical prediction is fine but Subaru's perception speed is 1 million times higher here, he can easily calculate how to defeat her or what word choices to make.

Perception is a solid advantage but that's still a huge skill gap and reactions only let you dodge a single strike. And her AnPr is all about setting up strikes at targets whom she can't normally land a good hit on.

She's gonna try to trip him or put him in a bad position to land some decisive blow.

IP diff is also still a real possibility as it scales vastly above his value.

10 kilometers for these is weird but ig that gives Subaru a pretty good advantage due to being able to figure out the surroundings locations in the first loop and also using patrasche to travel around faster

For Yumi, she'd use that time to find some way to protect herself maybe a Blunt weapon like a pipe or a wrench.

She usually try to bait her foes where she have the advantage, land trap and do sneak attack (though Subaru's ESP counter the latter)

She also have a x2 AP advantage and very good agility.

 

[Phoenks]

lowkey subaru is whipping this girl bad

 

[VortechsTG]

I think Patrasche probably makes this a stomp ngl. Like, she's legitimately able to tear through opponents Subaru can't even damage. Though, frankly, it's probably a stomp without that. I know most people aren't really familiar with what Subaru is capable of but... come on. Yumi is so unfathomably inferior to what he deals with on a daily basis. His perception speed and intuition is just abnormal, even for his world. With that combined with his whip's speed he's consistently able to keep up with opponents far faster than him. And, hell, he's even caught icicles moving faster than Emilia normally could move.

Not to mention Invisible Providence is also completely impossible to detect until it actually smashes or grabs something and it can knock the jaw off an opponent stronger than him.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Maybe but Subaru won't kill himself if he just get punched once or twice , he is not his IF self that commit suicide at the slightest inconvenience. Also once he get knocked out he pretty much lost .

the last key we have for him is of arc 8 where he was spamming rbd for a perfect victory, which is the one you have chosen

Perception is a solid advantage but that's still a huge skill gap and reactions only let you dodge a single strike. And her AnPr is all about setting up strikes at targets whom she can't normally land a good hit on.

danger sense easily takes care of this btw, he can dodge attacks he cant even sense.

She's gonna try to trip him or put him in a bad position to land some decisive blow.

not possible, he can spiderman swing but while only using one whip, on slippery ice blocks while carrying a fully grown women. You are NOT tripping him up.

For Yumi, she'd use that time to find some way to protect herself maybe a Blunt weapon like a pipe or a wrench.

She usually try to bait her foes where she have the advantage, land trap and do sneak attack (though Subaru's ESP counter the latter)

She also have a x2 AP advantage and very good agility.

I think enough was mentioned above already about why this isnt enough to defeat him

 

[Franstel]

OK I've changed this to someone "a bit" more skilled to make it fairer

 

[Phoenks]

OK I've changed this to someone "a bit" more skilled to make it fairer

This guy is 9-C dawg. Are we forreal?

 

[Franstel]

This guy is 9-C dawg. Are we forreal?

His pressure points can take out characters who scales to 2.1 megajoules like Rachel's dogs or Lung.

And Sveta who can shred through 2,1 mj durability don't think she stand a chance against a mass produced copy of a child Kurt.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Wait I am lowkey ********, the calcs I did came out at 2+ mj and I didn't pursue them because I thought Subaru was 3.2 mj

 

[Phoenks]

His pressure points can take out characters who scales to 2.1 megajoules like Rachel's dogs or Lung.

And Sveta who can shred through 2,1 mj durability don't think she stand a chance against a mass produced copy of a child Kurt.

Okay, let me re-evaluate this more seriously. I didn't realize just how cracked this dude's skill was until now lol.

Based on the rules, I'm guessing Number Man is given guns. Which means he'll probably just opt to shoot Subaru from the jump, killing him. Rather than going for paralysis KO stuff. So Subaru will likely have to reset a lot here.

His analytical prediction is really good, better than re: Zero analytical prediction for sure. Dodging anything from this guy seems nearly impossible even with retries, but eventually Subaru will probably find some way around it. His ability allows him to twist the fate of the world, after all. And with abilities like Invisible Providence, he has methods of one-shotting Number Man without him being able to detect it. Although, the fact that he was able to sense an invisible character by sensing infinitesimal details in the air could maaaybe allow him to sense IP, ngl. Since Wilhelm was able to do something similar with significantly worse sensory perception than that.

It's just that Subaru only needs one attack to work a single time, where as The Number Man needs to get in close to him and KO via a specific technique, even though he has guns. And, Subaru happens to have a whip that blitzes him in terms of attack speed, although his ANPR seems to allow him to dodge things significantly faster than himself, so I'm not sure how much it helps.


It might actually be pretty close tbh.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Wait I am lowkey ********, the calcs I did came out at 2+ mj and I didn't pursue them because I thought Subaru was 3.2 mj

Bad.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Okay, let me re-evaluate this more seriously. I didn't realize just how cracked this dude's skill was until now lol.

Based on the rules, I'm guessing Number Man is given guns. Which means he'll probably just opt to shoot Subaru from the jump, killing him. Rather than going for paralysis KO stuff. So Subaru will likely have to reset a lot here.

His analytical prediction is really good, better than re: Zero analytical prediction for sure. Dodging anything from this guy seems nearly impossible even with retries, but eventually Subaru will probably find some way around it. His ability allows him to twist the fate of the world, after all. And with abilities like Invisible Providence, he has methods of one-shotting Number Man without him being able to detect it. Although, the fact that he was able to sense an invisible character by sensing infinitesimal details in the air could maaaybe allow him to sense IP, ngl. Since Wilhelm was able to do something similar with significantly worse sensory perception than that.

It's just that Subaru only needs one attack to work a single time, where as The Number Man needs to get in close to him and KO via a specific technique, even though he has guns. And, Subaru happens to have a whip that blitzes him in terms of attack speed, although his ANPR seems to allow him to dodge things significantly faster than himself, so I'm not sure how much it helps.


It might actually be pretty close tbh.

btw phoenks, Subaru could still use magic even when he was physically not with beako. Doesn't this mean he should have those magic as well or atleast the ones he has been shown to be capable of casting (like EMM, shamak, Minya)

 

[Franstel]

bump

 

[Phoenks]

btw phoenks, Subaru could still use magic even when he was physically not with beako. Doesn't this mean he should have those magic as well or atleast the ones he has been shown to be capable of casting (like EMM, shamak, Minya)

? I don't think he can since his gate is broken lol.

 

[Epiccheev]

At what point do we say Number man can safely recognize/detect Subaru? 10km away seems like it would be very troublesome, specially in central park.
Would SBA allowing him to recognize Subaru mean he can keep track as long as he's facing his general direction as he'd be able to spot the numbers of a guy who's exactly his weight and size in the infinitesimals moving towards his direction?
Also, would Number man try to incapacitate him by shooting his legs/arms since he's a good guy now?

Because if so, Subaru's only hope would be to use terrain as shield in a way he cant get hit by a ricochet and maybe improvise some armor using shit he finds around to guard important organs. Dude is getting "Hey you'd" a lot of times here.
First few loops would allow him to accuratley guess NM's location with good precision, at higher distances it shouldn't be too hard to deflect a shot with IH, granted that would likely alert NM that Subaru has some kind of hand shaped "Telekinesis" at low range, so it's better kept as a trump card.

Many loops later Parkour+the ability to predict his attacks/Intricate knowledge of Central Park would allow him to get closer and position himself in a way there's always a wall between them. Subaru has athletic LS, so using some metal plate he finds around as a shield might allow for a few blocks. IF he gets close NM will switch to a handgun that will make things really shitty for him. Might get some Pride:if levels of Respawning until he's able to get close enough to land an Invisible hand punch assuming he made it there without using it before.

 

[Franstel]

At what point do we say Number man can safely recognize/detect Subaru?

We have no precise indications on how far he can perceive stuff but it seems to be pretty far away considering that:

• With a sniper he can ricochet billets from one kilometers away
• An Harbinger clone could hit someone's eye with a slingshot while his power is at 80% of its potency and that guy was in a valley 300 feet away and surrounded by thick trees.

10km away seems like it would be very troublesome, specially in central park.

The fight is in San Francisco

Would SBA allowing him to recognize Subaru mean he can keep track as long as he's facing his general direction as he'd be able to spot the numbers of a guy who's exactly his weight and size in the infinitesimals moving towards his direction?
Also, would Number man try to incapacitate him by shooting his legs/arms since he's a good guy now?

Number Man is not exactly good in the story but more morally gray, he is not a fan of violence but he is still an operative of Caudron, an organisation that perform unetical human experimentations to save the world.

In a fight, he won't immediatly go for the kill, he generally either try to incapacitate his targets or scare/wound them to the point they retreat/surrender just like he did with n°3016

He straightened, studied the confusion and fear on his opponent’s face. Every action on his part was measured, performed for effect. To dust his clothes off, walking forward at a measured, unhurried pace.

To not even flinch as his opponent drew his hand back. He was still able to dodge. Barely.

“Stop,” he said. “There’s no point.”

The test subject backed away a step instead. He tensed, readying to kick out with that nonexistent leg of his.

“You’ll miss,” the Number Man said. “And I’ll close in and strike you, using my pen and my hand. I can see the stress points of your body, clear as day. I can shatter your skull like a glass, and it would be an exceptionally painful way to die.”

Slowly, he saw the fight go out of the test subject.

“Why?”

“Return to your cell, and we can talk.”

“I can’t. I’m going mad,” the test subject sounded almost morose, defeated
(...)

I could kill you, if you wished.”
“If I’m going to die, I’ll die fighting.’

“You’ll only make it violent, painful. It will be drawn out.”

He could see the man’s expression shifting, the dawning realization that there was no way out.

“Did… was there a chance I could have won?”

“Yes. Luck. A little more cleverness. If you were in better shape, perhaps.” My power is better at range. Better still as I get further away, attack from other angles, in more subtle ways.

“Then I could have escaped? A chance I might have returned home?”

“No. There was never a chance you might escape.”

By the way NM doesn't have his sniper here, he is limited to standard equipment so he have his pen and a gun

 

[Franstel]

Bump

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Arc 5-8 Subaru is willing to use his poison pill to kill himself. Return by Death ensures that, so long as a winning outcome exists, he can eventually reach it. Incapacitation would therefore be ineffective, as he would simply reset. It is either a stomp or a win for Subaru

 

[Franstel]

Arc 5-8 Subaru is willing to use his poison pill to kill himself. Return by Death ensures that, so long as a winning outcome exists, he can eventually reach it. Incapacitation would therefore be ineffective, as he would simply reset. It is either a stomp or a win for Subaru

Can Subaru use that pill while unconscious ? Because NM's pressure point's actions is nigh-instant

Golem tore his eyes away from the scene. He glanced down at the street, where *****, Parian and Foil were reinforcing Tecton and Hoyden, backing them up as the Harbingers approached. One Harbinger threw something, and a dog dropped like its heart had stopped.

Interlude 26a

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Can Subaru use that pill while unconscious ? Because NM's pressure point's actions is nigh-instant

Interlude 26a

Subaru's perception speed is 1 million times higher here, it is not nigh instant for him and just needs his reaction speed to activate which is also 1 million times faster.

 

[Franstel]

Subaru's perception speed is 1 million times higher here, it is not nigh instant for him and just needs his reaction speed to activate which is also 1 million times faster.

It also recquire Subaru to immmediatly think of killing himself for some reason after taking an attack that seemingly did little damage

 

[MasterOwOgay]

It also recquire Subaru to immmediatly think of killing himself for some reason after taking an attack that seemingly did little damage

It may be instantaneous for NM, but not for Subaru. As I explained above, Subaru's perception speed is over a million times greater, allowing him to easily deduce that he's about to faint and use the pill.

 

[LaserPrecision]

It may be instantaneous for NM, but not for Subaru. As I explained above, Subaru's perception speed is over a million times greater, allowing him to easily deduce that he's about to faint and use the pill.

How would he deduce he's going to faint before it happens unless he can predict the future. His perception is a million times faster, he can't see the future. He'll only know he passed out after it happened, because passing out isn't tied to combat speed, it's tied to reaction/perception speed as it's the sudden loss of those senses. He'll get hit, think the attack did nothing, and then suddenly pass out. The way you're portraying reaction speed is just not how it works at all (The exception would be if in-universe it's shown to work that way and that passing out for some reason is much slower than reaction/perception speed).

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

How would he deduce he's going to faint before it happens unless he can predict the future. His perception is a million times faster, he can't see the future. He'll only know he passed out after it happened, because passing out isn't tied to combat speed, it's tied to reaction/perception speed as it's the sudden loss of those senses. He'll get hit, think the attack did nothing, and then suddenly pass out. The way you're portraying reaction speed is just not how it works at all (The exception would be if in-universe it's shown to work that way and that passing out for some reason is much slower than reaction/perception speed).

It does appear that they have some time between being hit and passing out as in the case with Al. enough time to use it as a way of killing themselves

 

[LaserPrecision]

It does appear that they have some time between being hit and passing out as in the case with Al. enough time to use it as a way of killing themselves

What kind of attack made him pass out. As long as it was an attack like a pressure point or concussion inflicting it should work. Something like choking obviously takes a while to take you out because you don't instantly pass out from a lack of oxygen.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

What kind of attack made him pass out. As long as it was an attack like a pressure point or concussion inflicting it should work. Something like choking obviously takes a while to take you out because you don't instantly pass out from a lack of oxygen.

Its in the scan that it was an attack not him being choked out lol

 

[LaserPrecision]

Its in the scan that it was an attack not him being choked out lol

Yeah, but I'm saying what knocked him out isn't included in the scan. For all I know he got gassed among various other things that take a while to make you pass out. All it says is he's crumbling from the girls attack. I have literally no idea what the girls attack was.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Yeah, but I'm saying what knocked him out isn't included in the scan. For all I know he got gassed among various other things that take a while to make you pass out. All it says is he's crumbling from the girls attack. I have literally no idea what the girls attack was.

Before he could even react to that sense of dread, a small shadow that had been hiding in the entrance to the woods leapt out, and delivered a strong blow to the back of Aldebaran’s neck with a slender foot.

Aldebaran: [Kah, kuh…]

The intense impact jolted his brain, and Aldebaran’s knees buckled as they lost their strength.

In the corner of his vision, the one who had delivered that blow landed nimbly on the grass, their two bundles of peach hair swaying as they looked at Aldebaran with sleepy eyes.

A countenance he recognized―― the young girl who bore a striking resemblance to that, her true identity was.

???: [Vengeance for Flam.]

From those brief, matter-of-fact words, he understood that she was indeed Flam’s younger sister.

Crumbling down from the girl’s attack, as he began to lose hold of his consciousness, Aldebaran muttered.

Aldebaran: [Not, dead yet…]

Then, as his consciousness slowly faded down into the abyssal darkness―― by reflex, he gulped down his poison.

Consuming the deadly poison kept behind his molar, was the singular action that Aldebaran had performed the most in his life, an exquisite skill deeply ingrained not just to his body, but to his soul.

This alone was Aldebaran’s one and only special technique that not even the Sword Saint, Reinhard van Astrea, could get in the way of.

After all, there was not a single person in this world better at killing Aldebaran than Aldebaran――,

 

[LaserPrecision]

Oh, I'm dumb. This is some completely different dude wth.

I'll take your word with some skepticism. Has Subaru ever showcased the ability to make a decision while in the process of passing out? One person who's trained to do it doesn't mean everyone in the verse can.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Oh, I'm dumb. This is some completely different dude wth.

I'll take your word with some skepticism. Has Subaru ever showcased the ability to make a decision while in the process of passing out? One person who's trained to do it doesn't mean everyone in the verse can.

without getting into any spoilers, he is a normal human like Subaru, and you wanted to know if there was a gap between being knocked out in the verse or not. There is and Subaru has in fact killed himself when he deems a loop a failure especially in this key of his

 

[LaserPrecision]

without getting into any spoilers, he is a normal human like Subaru, and you wanted to know if there was a gap between being knocked out in the verse or not. There is and Subaru has in fact killed himself when he deems a loop a failure especially in this key of his

I ask because if there's a single inconsistency in the series (I.e. someone passes out before they can react) it proves that not all of them are able to do this. I haven't read the series so I don't know, but I'm relying on you to be honest if that's the case or not.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I ask because if there's a single inconsistency in the series (I.e. someone passes out before they can react) it proves that not all of them are able to do this. I haven't read the series so I don't know, but I'm relying on you to be honest if that's the case or not.

People don't usually pass out in Re:Zero, its more often than not death yk

 

[Epiccheev]

Subaru has in fact killed himself when he deems a loop a failure

Cant believe he gave up on life this endless dead end.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Cant believe he gave up on life this endless dead end.

wrong lyrics

No dont give up life this endless dead end

 

[Epiccheev]

wrong lyrics

No dont give up life this endless dead end

Party rock is in the house tonight

 

[Franstel]

There is and Subaru has in fact killed himself when he deems a loop a failure especially in this key of his

Even if manage to could consume it while fainting, why would Subaru consider this a failure to faint ? At worst NM would just kill him after that which'd trigger RbD anyway or NM don't kill him and from his perspective that could lead to new possibilities.

And Kurt can use pp that paralyse the target so unless he can manage to poison himself while he barely have enough strength to blink that's also a loss for him

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Even if manage to could consume it while fainting, why would Subaru consider this a failure to faint ? At worst NM would just kill him after that which'd trigger RbD anyway or NM don't kill him and from his perspective that could lead to new possibilities.

And Kurt can use pp that paralyse the target so unless he can manage to poison himself while he barely have enough strength to blink that's also a loss for him

its not that hard to swallow a pill, and the poison kills him within seconds. Anyways, either way Subaru also has sub rel perception and reaction speed so it is possible for him to dodge an attack even after kurt predicts him perfectly. Prediction doesn't matter if you cant keep up afterall

This along with rbd basically solidifies his victory regardless and especially with him gaining more and more knowledge overtime. I did have to try and see what the range for him using magic without physically being connected to beako is