Kazuma_kuwabara
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Are you guys even reading what I posted?
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Meliodas VS Isshiki (13-12-0)
- Thread starter OriginFox
- Start date
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Also, to this, i am 100% sure that the 3 vote difference only happens after both parties are quite past 7 votes
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Is this not finished?
Nonynho
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nope, not the case
Instead of just letting this keep going someone will have to face bureocracy because... you wanna? That does not seem practical
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Strange, i thought it was like that.. alright
Pardon me, i have no idea what that entails LOL
Nonynho
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It's simple
If this match gets closed, we'd have to get it removed by either going to a thread made to argue for such removals and then rematch or just create a rematch which might as well get the same 5 pages we're at rn
So it serves no actual purpose to close this and make another besides giving more work
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Fair enough
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Someone mentioned my name about fear hax and supernatural willpower think. I understand people will feel that having supernatural willpower should allows you to resist fear, but well, the site standard, we can't assume that way and the supernatural willpower need to show feat or have statement. On other hand, you can have the opposition's fear hax have weakness that can be exploited, such as in verse the fear hax can't affect people who have strong willpower. Anyway, it is entirely depends on both verses' contexts
Lastly i was asked to close this thread, is everyone fine with it? Let me know
Lastly i was asked to close this thread, is everyone fine with it? Let me know
Kellex
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UPDATED:
Meliodas: 7 (AlipheeseXIV, Speedster352, Makai641001, TheHuntsman1001, XxZetsuxX, Demon_Lord18, Majinere566)
Isshiki: 10 (Foriaa, karo_senpaii, Trihexa102, Richardo908, AlternativePrinciple, R81handman, DavidTPPM, Suigetsuhyugs, Nonynho, rogueprestonian)
It should be noted that grace started with Majinere566's vote in Meliodas favor, but AlternativePrinciple broke the grace period by 11-12 hours before it would've ended.
Grace for Isshiki's favor started here.
Let me know if I missed anyone!
EDIT: If you see this @OriginFox, please copy and paste this to your post asap. I don't want to be in the middle of this anymore
Meliodas: 7 (AlipheeseXIV, Speedster352, Makai641001, TheHuntsman1001, XxZetsuxX, Demon_Lord18, Majinere566)
Isshiki: 10 (Foriaa, karo_senpaii, Trihexa102, Richardo908, AlternativePrinciple, R81handman, DavidTPPM, Suigetsuhyugs, Nonynho, rogueprestonian)
It should be noted that grace started with Majinere566's vote in Meliodas favor, but AlternativePrinciple broke the grace period by 11-12 hours before it would've ended.
Grace for Isshiki's favor started here.
Let me know if I missed anyone!
EDIT: If you see this @OriginFox, please copy and paste this to your post asap. I don't want to be in the middle of this anymore
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AlipheeseXIV
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Well the postulate regarding Isshiki's fear resistance was (unsurprisingly) a load of horse crap, not to mention nobody ever addressed the fact that Meliodas's magic has 3 layers of deconstruction Isshiki doesn't resist, nor the layers of status effect inducement, disease manip, and mind manip. So, until someone comes up with an actual proper argument for Isshiki it isn't even worth counting the votes
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Stop repeating grace started, match should be closed. Read the damn rules, grace lasts for 24hrs from when op started and it resets once there is a lead of less than 3 winning votes. For example the moment the vote count became 7-5 , it resets and inconclusive grace starts.
Right now it's in ishikki favour by a count of 3 so grace has been reset again and in 24hrs if ishikki is still winning by this margin or higher then he wins
Right now it's in ishikki favour by a count of 3 so grace has been reset again and in 24hrs if ishikki is still winning by this margin or higher then he wins
Kellex
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...?
I don't know if you're talking about me, but I know how the rules work lol. I apologize if I made it confusing somehow.
Trihexa102
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all you did was ignore isshiki's arguments?
literally nothing goes for meliodas here cause he is countered in all ways.
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Grace is meant as a period where people can put out their argument one last time before the fight concludes
so don't go blocking someone attempting to persuade people to reconsider vote
Its because of this Grace Period that allowed Ishikki to turn the tables. be a good sport
Trihexa102
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That's what he is saying? didn't you read it?
he isn't blocking anyone here?
Merely stating that after 24 hours if isshiki is still winning by any margin, then he wins. He was talking about others invalidating isshiki's arguments and asking for it to be closed.
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sorry just woke up and must have misread it
but he said thread should be closed and grace shouldn't resetted
grace did need to restart if the votes changes since the vote becomes invalid when Isshiki managed gets 7-5(Invalid for Meliodas) from 7-2 (Valid for Meliodas) which is now 7-10(Valid for Isshiki)
Trihexa102
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oh probably a mistake then, cause he is implying it still needs to be open for another 24hrs to finalize grace for isshiki(if isshiki wins)
AlipheeseXIV
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Staff already came in here and explained that he does not resist the fear hax layers, neither you or any other supporter has commented on any of the other hax I mentioned and you still haven't, if he's countered in every way it should be easy to explain how then, can you do that? Or will you just continue to believe he can without offering absolutely any proof as ya'll have continuously been doing?
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Looking at it, Ishikki would most likely win eitherway.
i haven't voted yet since I'm not able to confirm how Isshiki can spawn black rods inside someone when the ability is explained as it being fired are really small size to penetrate the body and ignore durability
Trihexa102
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what? he merely stated it depends on the context for each verse, he never sided any character. it depends on the context of fear hax for both verses?
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- Thread starter
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Thank you!UPDATED:
Meliodas: 7 (AlipheeseXIV, Speedster352, Makai641001, TheHuntsman1001, XxZetsuxX, Demon_Lord18, Majinere566)
Isshiki: 10 (Foriaa, karo_senpaii, Trihexa102, Richardo908, AlternativePrinciple, R81handman, DavidTPPM, Suigetsuhyugs, Nonynho, rogueprestonian)
It should be noted that grace started with Majinere566's vote in Meliodas favor, but AlternativePrinciple broke the grace period by 11-12 hours before it would've ended.
Grace for Isshiki's favor started here.
Let me know if I missed anyone!
EDIT: If you see this @OriginFox, please copy and paste this to your post asap. I don't want to be in the middle of this anymore
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I didn't? Again layers here are meaningless because nobody is saying he resists then normally but that he overcomes them because that's literally a weakness listed on the Fear Manip page.
Stop trying to make it seem like ANYONE here gives a shit about your doodooass layers other than you
I was specifically replying to a comment talking about fear hax. Of course I didn't talk about other stuff in a comment exclusively about fear hax???
Sheeesh you called my example F tier, I guess that completely debunks my argument completely
AlipheeseXIV
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Yes, and how exactly do you think layers are even denoted to characters? By having it overcome a resistance naturally, Isshiki has no proof of resisting that level of fear on his profile, so he doesn't resist it, it's that simple. I also want to ask how you can come to the conclusion that I was ignoring Isshiki's arguments, when on the contrary I have been addressing them this entire time, and am literally addressing them right now. I'm also in the process of watching the fights on crunchyroll as we speak to get a better understanding of his abilities because his profile sucks and has like 85% of its scans completely missing from his P&A's
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Not buying the Rod Argument
Meliodas has multiple hearts that you need to attack and destroy, which are also durable. Black Rods in Naruto are deadly because internal defense isn't something one normally has.
different case in 7DS demons.
At best, the initial rods would simply damage him which opens up the counter with either Revenge counter and many other attacks knowing Meliodas is literally the Type that can fight through sheer pain and a disfigured body which wouldn't be a problem for his regeneration to slowly recompensate
Furthermore, how would Isshiki know he needs to target all of Meliodas's heart? especially when demon blood can literally recover from just a Head so the power of regeneration would be able to recover the holes created by Black Rods
And for people arguing he will spam all black rods. When does he do that in character, even against stronger enemies?
You claim he was arrogant, but then say he would take enemies seriously if they sense their power.
Furthermore, this argument assumes he does spawn black rod on his enemies and not throw it. Since i have yet seen an evidence showing or showcasing how he spawned rods rather than lauching it at ridiculously small size that it even gets through Chakra cloaks gaps
Meliodas has multiple hearts that you need to attack and destroy, which are also durable. Black Rods in Naruto are deadly because internal defense isn't something one normally has.
different case in 7DS demons.
At best, the initial rods would simply damage him which opens up the counter with either Revenge counter and many other attacks knowing Meliodas is literally the Type that can fight through sheer pain and a disfigured body which wouldn't be a problem for his regeneration to slowly recompensate
Furthermore, how would Isshiki know he needs to target all of Meliodas's heart? especially when demon blood can literally recover from just a Head so the power of regeneration would be able to recover the holes created by Black Rods
And for people arguing he will spam all black rods. When does he do that in character, even against stronger enemies?
You claim he was arrogant, but then say he would take enemies seriously if they sense their power.
Furthermore, this argument assumes he does spawn black rod on his enemies and not throw it. Since i have yet seen an evidence showing or showcasing how he spawned rods rather than lauching it at ridiculously small size that it even gets through Chakra cloaks gaps
AlipheeseXIV
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Layers here are not meaningless, you have not provided any proof for why he resists that degree of layers, and now are acting like nobody but me cares about it? Ok yeah...that's why the Naruto profiles have stuff like this right?
- Enhanced Sight (1-layers; Invisibility - The Sharingan provides its user with an incredible clarity of perception. of fast moving targets with astonishing clarity. This clarity of vision also allows the user to easily perceive and decipher hand seals at great speeds, and perceive pencil movements in order to mimic them. as different colors, even through certain solid obstacles, and even perceive invisible individuals The Sharingan also allows its user to focus their vision and act like a microscope, allowing it to see objects on a cellular level and clearly perceive viruses)
Then talk about it? This really seems to me like you're just yapping because you made a vote before addressing it, yet all of a sudden you're going to what? Actually properly look at the profiles now? Is that what you're saying?I was specifically replying to a comment talking about fear hax. Of course I didn't talk about other stuff in a comment exclusively about fear hax???
Trihexa102
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Isshiki has the byakugan he can instantly tell meli's physiology is different from others.
I am not gonna go deeper into this, if you think meli wins it's OK.
Very bad way of interpreting the isshiki arguments's tbh though.
AlipheeseXIV
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This is true, but Isshiki doesn't do this in character from what I can see
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Actually the rods have paralysis and absorption on top of everything.
So getting stabbed stops Melodias and starts draining him of his stamina. Mind you the absorption is so fast even Naruto was struggling to not get sucked dry and he could fight for days under normal circumstances.
Hell Naruto can give out more than 3x the amount of stamina Kakashi, an elite shinobi, has to about 40,000 people and still be completely unaffected by any stamina loss. Yet Isshiki pierced him for like 5 seconds and he reverted to base right away.
Tbh isn't that kinda self explanatory?
Either way it's not really necessary. Isshikis opening move against Nard was BFR + sealing so he'd probably just paralyzed Melodias and pull out the BFR
Stop strawmanning me. I'm not saying ALL layers for ANY ability are useless.
I'm saying these specific fear manipulation layers are useless in this specific context because the method of overcoming them is completely unrelated to them.
I did in other comments. No idea why are you expecting me to talk about other stuff when I'm replying to 1 specific argument.
I responded to every other argument in other comments. Idk why are you acting like me not addressing them in that one specific comment as well somehow erases my previous comments or something.
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Good answers
but still doesn't address whether he can spawn a black rod inside someone or not.
or the fact that the Rods are a physical entity that is prone to corroding from miasma. Layered or not
Not to mention the Selflessness Commandment would definitely work on Isshiki, since when he was fighting Sasuke and Naruto, he was trying to covet someone
and this is an ability that automatically takes effect
AlipheeseXIV
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No he can't, he's never shown the ability to shrink aura, if he could he would've just shrunk Naruto's Kurama cloak or Sasuke's Susano, he instead goes through the effort of physically kicking Sasuke out of his Susano and punching Naruto out of Kurama mode. He wouldn't of gotten his ass beaten by Baryon Mode if he can just shrink auras
The scan is literally just Isshiki floating with aura around him with no context whatsoever and you're asserting it can stop him from being affected by passive abilities? Is this an actual joke?
You're yapping, because a staff just came in here and cleared up that it doesn't work that way by default and is contingent on the series explaining it, which NNT explicitly states that supernatural willpower is not enough. Of which, Isshiki explicitly has never been shown to resist such a potency of fear hax, but whatever, enough with the fear hax the things you said above (which aren't even arguments as they are so piss poor I can't even call them that) are just genuine agenda atp because absolutely nothing you said is true
The only thing you proved is that you don't even know how Isshiki's abilities work, and that you're someone who extrapolates abilities based on no context panels, because absolutely nothing you said is something he has explicitly shown nor is it stated to function that way on his profile lol
Richardo908
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Isshiki not shrinking Naruto kurama cloak does not mean he can't shrink auras he has already shown the ability to shrink a energy based attack in the rasengan (something made out of pure chakra) him deciding not to shrink Sasuke susanoo was because he was playing around literally stated, meliodas does not even have microscopic vision what's stopping isshiki from shrinking himself, hiding his presence then simply spamming rods into meliodas body
AlipheeseXIV
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Just because he shrunk a ninjitsu based attack doesn't mean he can shrink auras, and all you did was prove that he has never done this, so ultimately it changes nothing. Burden of proof is on you guys to show he can do this
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Oh na it's not you
You're just wrongly interpreting what I wrote.
A lot of sds fans were calling for the thread to be closed that we've reached grace since. I was merely telling them that 24hrs has to pass after grace started before the thread can be closed if someone is leading by a score of 3 or higher , which means that even though Mel was leading for a while, ishikki made a come back before grace ended and as such grace would reset again for another 24hrs . Also grace starts after a lead by 3 is achieved
I hope you know someone digging the ground was called "whack a mole jutsu". This is to show that just coz something is a jutsu doesn't mean it can't be just pure energy. Case and point naruto's rasengan.
AlipheeseXIV
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I'm aware, but this doesn't change the fact Isshiki has never shown the ability to absorb aura because Susano and Kurama Mode are not "whack a mole jutsu" they are explicitly a type of energy that surrounds the users body
Demon_Lord18
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The difference in AP is several thousand times; Isshiki's rods cannot damage Meliodas.
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Susanoo is users manifestation of their souls it can be absorbed but no wonder İsshiki Didnt shrunkin it rather than he stabed his rods to susanoo same for Kurama avatar because thoose things are living Beings
Rods actually does suck stamina as well Naruto tried to use Bijuu arms but isshiki stabbed hım and arms get instantly disappear
Otsutsuki can directly absorb chakra from people Hell despite Naruto uses nature energy with his attacks like rasenshuriken neither Momoshiki nor jigen was turned into Stone as well
İf i am not mistaken neither darkness nor miasma is living so it can be shrunken down as well as any magic attacks
İsshiki erase his presence as well as goes microscopic so if meli doesnt have Sharingan levels of precog microscopic vision or analytical prediction he gonna have A hard time
True magic absouletly works which is detremental cuz isshiki doesnt ressist plus it can erase Rods and cubes
