Meliodas vs Monkey D. Luffy [19-2-0]

[Gamecooob]

Oda does know jack shit about how it works else he wouldn’t grant a varie to his character with Power and heat correlations…

No, he doesn't. He really doesn't. He was just making shit up for Enel to sound cool. Like, 30K Volts is sub-taser level, yet it cooks these guys and produces smoke. Please be serious.

How are you gonna say the author is willingly incorporating this into his manga without proper knowledge on the subject in question?

... because shit is common? Like, brother, not every Mangaka does research on shit like this. Yamamoto's Bankai burns at 15 million C, even at a FEW million C atmosphere turns to plasma, for example.
Or how about Bardock fighting Frieza's army for minutes without oxygen... but then suffocating when the plot wants em' to?
Or Todoroki being half-ice half-fire without the heat transfer?

Like, you put mangaka upto WAYYY too high standards, this shit is common place, this is fiction.

If ur gonna say they scale to tanking millions of bolts and use statements from characters inverse that are literally being written by the author why pull this card and say oda doesn't know how voltage works so stuff like this can be ignored.

its not about millions of volts that we accept 28K C, brotha. Its 28K C not because of the volts, because we accept it as real lightning.
We don't CARE about the stated volts.
We CARE that it's natural lightning.
Stop it.

(Like in the Escanor vs WB thread ahah ^^)

Goddamn, you need to let this shit go lmfao.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

ts not about millions of volts that we accept 28K C, brotha. Its 28K C not because of the volts, because we accept it as real lightning.
We don't CARE about the stated volts.
We CARE that it's natural lightning.
Stop it.

 

[Makai641001]

Makai, you're being silly.

So not only did Luffy get burnt by temperatures around 1100 when his innate immunity was put aside.

But all strawhats were hit while on the ground by at most 30 M volts and still got deep fried.

Onigashima arc characters like Killer Zoro Law etc… were all cooked by Big mom’s lightnings despite not being exposed for prolonged periods.

Other characters got cooked by Nami’s lightning while on the ground which backs up what I say.

That’s not what I call a hill that’s « hard to die on »

 

[speedster352]

I hope you haven’t forgotten about me. Meliodas fra

 

[Makai641001]

I don't want to derail, but Whitebeard with the earthquakes at 4KM goes brrrrr

And he fought with his brain melting by magma so he goes brrrrrr

Don’t want to derail either but Escanor’s passive Heat is enough to instantly turn people with resistances multiple no sells gap above lightning heat into charcoal while in his weakest form ever.

Also 4km is not even the range for his aura flexes and he resisted and powered through Meliodas irradiating his internals with flames that corrode, poison and negates regen.

Dura negation won’t be a one shot.

 

[Makai641001]

No, he doesn't. He really doesn't. He was just making shit up for Enel to sound cool. Like, 30K Volts is sub-taser level, yet it cooks these guys and produces smoke. Please be serious.

... because shit is common? Like, brother, not every Mangaka does research on shit like this. Yamamoto's Bankai burns at 15 million C, even at a FEW million C atmosphere turns to plasma, for example.
Or how about Bardock fighting Frieza's army for minutes without oxygen... but then suffocating when the plot wants em' to?
Or Todoroki being half-ice half-fire without the heat transfer?

Like, you put mangaka upto WAYYY too high standards, this shit is common place, this is fiction.

its not about millions of volts that we accept 28K C, brotha. Its 28K C not because of the volts, because we accept it as real lightning.
We don't CARE about the stated volts.
We CARE that it's natural lightning.
Stop it.


Goddamn, you need to let this shit go lmfao.

All I see I you crying about the author’s knowledge while we litteraly have it in profiles that the only value similar to true lightning is 200M volts.

None of these characters actually resisted this lvl of heat.

Y’all lied for years and kept using false argument in flame wars which became really annoying.

Btw it’s not 30k but 30 million volts

 

[Delusionaltx2]

No, he doesn't. He really doesn't. He was just making shit up for Enel to sound cool. Like, 30K Volts is sub-taser level, yet it cooks these guys and produces smoke. Please be serious.

If he's doing that then wouldn't it be better to just disregard enels showings within that arc?

You've now just complimented the possibility that everything that could point towards characters resisting these temperatures could just be exaggerated slop ment to sound cool.

... because shit is common? Like, brother, not every Mangaka does research on shit like this. Yamamoto's Bankai burns at 15 million C, even at a FEW million C atom's cant exist, for example.

Actually since everything in bleach technically has a soul and follows laws tied to reishi to an extent we can just assume that yamamotos zanpakuto is just built to work that way with how bankais work.

Or how about Bardock fighting Frieza's army for minutes without oxygen... but then suffocating when the plot wants em' to?

They are somewhat near the planet so it's entirely possible that's just a planet Vegeta thing

Or Todoroki being half-ice half-fire without the heat transfer?

Just how his quirk works? Not every ability has to follow real world logic in a 1:1 fashion you can have mana based fire for example that only has some of the properties of fire and lacks some of the others that's just how abilities in fiction work.

Like, you put mangaka upto WAYYY too high standards, this shit is common place, this is fiction.

I'm coming in expecting the author to have a basic idea of what they're talking about about at least otherwise we don't take them seriously it's as simple as that

its not about millions of volts that we accept 28K C, brotha. Its 28K C not because of the volts, because we accept it as real lightning.
We don't CARE about the stated volts.
We CARE that it's natural lightning.
Stop it.


Goddamn, you need to let this shit go lmfao.

Ok now what about the anti feats presented that explain why you can't scale them to natural lightning?

 

[Gamecooob]

So not only did Luffy get burnt by temperatures around 1100 when his innate immunity was put aside.

Lmfao where are you getting 1100? Also, thanks for the quarter-relevant anti-feat. Sure is sooo important...

But all strawhats were hit while on the ground by at most 30 M volts and still got deep fried.

First scan is sleeper. Yeah, dude got cooked by Enel's lightning... on a surface that was... non-conductive. Didnt even put the actual strike in your scan lol.

Second dude is not even a ******* strawhat dawg what are you doing.

Third dude isn't a strawhat either.

Oh, woooow, i'm so surprised that Nico Robin doesn't have 30K C heat resistance! What a shocker!

Last scan is sleeper too, literally shows Zoro taking it mid-air dawg, gets grabbed by a lightning construct and takes it mid-air... you messed up your own argument.

The big mom shit is irrelevant since her stuff upscales from Enel.


Anything from Zeus also upscales to Enel btw. Also, again, i am sooooooo surprised that Ulti doesn't have an innate heat res! Wooow!

All I see I you crying about the author’s knowledge while we litteraly have it in profiles that the only value similar to true lightning is 200M volts.

Uh, because its the name of the attacks?
Like, **** are we supposed to do? Put a disclaimer after each name saying (NOT ACTUALLY 30K VOLTS, this is SUB-TAZER LEVEL) or something?

Like, the sheer FACT that ALL OF his voltage moves cook the characters the same... literally disproves that volts are valid here.
And its not even the volts that matter btw, its the amps.

 

[Gamecooob]

If he's doing that then wouldn't it be better to just disregard enels showings within that arc?

??? No? Why do you think Oda being ignorant on physics knowledge ONE TIME disproves that Enel's lightning is... as hot as natural lightning?

Like, dude, EACH OF HIS ATTACKS kinda HAVE to have the same voltage as natural lightning at minimum. Him having like 6 million voltage lightning is like saying Kizaru's lightbeams can decellerate from lightspeed... like no, thats his bare minimum speed, and in the case of Enel, this is his bare minimum voltage.

Just how his quirk works? Not every ability has to follow real world logic in a 1:1 fashion you can have mana based fire for example that only has some of the properties of fire and lacks some of the others that's just how abilities in fiction work.

Ohhh, so you accept that Mangaka can write stuff... that doesn't follow 1:1 with fiction? I agree with you, man.

I'm coming in expecting the author to have a basic idea of what they're talking about about at least otherwise we don't take them seriously it's as simple as that

You should lower your expectations.

Ok now what about the anti feats presented that explain why you can't scale them to natural lightning?

Did it.

 

[Gamecooob]

Anyways imma lose out on sleep for school tomorrow cuz' I argued on VSBW...

cya g'night

 

[Delusionaltx2]

??? No? Why do you think Oda being ignorant on physics knowledge ONE TIME disproves that Enel's lightning is... as hot as natural lightning?

This is something that generalizes and hurts multiple showings while deteriorating the credibility of others it would be extremely dishonest to write this off as one instance and nothing more especially when this is being back up by legitimate anti feats for the verse scaling to it.

Like, dude, EACH OF HIS ATTACKS kinda HAVE to have the same voltage as natural lightning at minimum. Him having like 6 million voltage lightning is like saying Kizaru's lightbeams can decellerate from lightspeed... like no, thats his bare minimum speed, and in the case of Enel, this is his bare minimum voltage.

Actually if there was a way to explain enels lightning as scaling below actual lightning or if nobody scaled to it heat wise it wouldn't be that much of an issue.

With kizaru if his light beams somehow did work that way we would assume devil fruit abilities are only partially natural or just not natural at all using this as an anti feat.

Ohhh, so you accept that Mangaka can write stuff... that doesn't follow 1:1 with fiction? I agree with you, man.

Yeah and under the write circumstances which I outlined for you using power systems as an example it's fair to trea t it that way but here we just have an author failing to do research, this is not the same as legitimate PIS where the author literally can't do anything about it.

You should lower your expectations.

So don't take the author seriously...got it

Did it.

Gonna just keep reading although it's kinda grace for mel atp

 

[AthelChan]

Meliodas FRA what is luffy doing here

 

[Makai641001]

Lmfao where are you getting 1100?

Gold’s melting heat the trident remained intact and the heat transfer cooked Luffy

Also, thanks for the quarter-relevant anti-feat. Sure is sooo important...

It is, the author explained a fundamental phenomenon about heat transfer and showed that he has knowledge about lightnings and innate resistance of rubber to it.

First scan is sleeper. Yeah, dude got cooked by Enel's lightning... on a surface that was... non-conductive. Didnt even put the actual strike in your scan lol.

Sorry to break it to you but it’s a boat, it’s not particularly dry as it’s made to go on water…

Wet/damp wood is an excellent conductor…

Second dude is not even a ******* strawhat dawg what are you doing.

It’s another example about these characters getting cooked

Third dude isn't a strawhat either.

Same

Oh, woooow, i'm so surprised that Nico Robin doesn't have 30K C heat resistance! What a shocker!

Y’all make her upscale lol

Last scan is sleeper too, literally shows Zoro taking it mid-air dawg, gets grabbed by a lightning construct and takes it mid-air... you messed up your own argument.

It’s quite litteraly not mid air… and 30 million volts only…

We see the lightnings go to the ground

And he’s getting cooked too

The big mom shit is irrelevant since her stuff upscales from Enel.

I showed how none of them scale

Anything from Zeus also upscales to Enel btw. Also, again, i am sooooooo surprised that Ulti doesn't have an innate heat res! Wooow!

Same

Uh, because its the name of the attacks?
Like, **** are we supposed to do? Put a disclaimer after each name saying (NOT ACTUALLY 30K VOLTS, this is SUB-TAZER LEVEL) or something?

Once more it’s not 30k it’s 30 millions at most

Like, the sheer FACT that ALL OF his voltage moves cook the characters the same... literally disproves that volts are valid here.
And its not even the volts that matter btw, its the amps.

It just means that they get cooked at lower heat values lol…

So actually none of them scales to 27k not even in onigashima and it should be removed from profiles I might do a thread about it

 

[Makai641001]

This is something that generalizes and hurts multiple showings while deteriorating the credibility of others it would be extremely dishonest to write this off as one instance and nothing more especially when this is being back up by legitimate anti feats for the verse scaling to it.

Actually if there was a way to explain enels lightning as scaling below actual lightning or if nobody scaled to it heat wise it wouldn't be that much of an issue.

With kizaru if his light beams somehow did work that way we would assume devil fruit abilities are only partially natural or just not natural at all using this as an anti feat.

Yeah and under the write circumstances which I outlined for you using power systems as an example it's fair to trea t it that way but here we just have an author failing to do research, this is not the same as legitimate PIS where the author literally can't do anything about it.

So don't take the author seriously...got it

Gonna just keep reading although it's kinda grace for mel atp

Btw we use IRL data for the lightning related feats so of course voltage has an impact.

None of these instance were mid air feats bro is casually lying when we have the panels under our eyes…

We are supposed to treat Oda as ignorant about lightnings when he showed knowledge about Rubber’s innate resistance to electricity

And specifically named the attacks following a voltage magnitude.

While also showing knowledge about supraconductivity and heating transfer (with litteral statements)

Meliodas can:
-EE with TMF (1 or 2 layers iirc)
-Deconstruct with AOE darkness attacks (3 layers)
-Burn him with Hellblaze aoe
-Enchantment one shot gap
-Selflessness insta win
-Poison/status effect inducement/corrosion
-Clone himself and beat him up with multiple angles

 

[Trihexa102]

Meli FRA.

 

[Jaynic1]

Meliodas fra

 

[Estarossa0z]

Meliodas FRA

 

[Pluto321]

meliodas fra

 

[Jey-kun52]

Meliodas FRA

 

[Catbowtie]

Switching my vote to Meliodas FRA because of Makai's and Delusional's arguments

 

[Robo432343]

the vote different is insane

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

the vote different is insane

Deku Vs Orochi vote count difference all over again

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

LMAO that’s crazy bro

Can you show him negating EE ?

Message to Kaydee:
Never again with those One piece vs threads it’s always the same they wank the shit out of their characters.

Bro realised Luffy was not « beating the brakes out of Meliodas » at all

One piece fans arguing that Luffy can nullify existence erasure?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

One piece fans arguing that Luffy can nullify existence erasure?

They're saying Luffy can turn existence erasure into rubber somehow

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

They're saying Luffy can turn existence erasure into rubber somehow

Voting meliodas here. Ngl thats worse than those star level OP args

 

[Kaydee1648]

we hit grace on speedster352‘s vote
gg

 

[Catbowtie]

I have learned some disturbing information about Meliodas so I'm just going to revoke my vote entirely

 

[Robo432343]

yeah i dont like voting for meli so i wont say anything

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

yeah i dont like voting for meli so i wont say anything

Not like you voted for Shinji Matou before

 

[Robo432343]

Not like you voted for Shinji Matou before

bro thats before u told me about what he did

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

bro thats before u told me about what he did

Buddy I've seen you argue on multiple different nasuverse CRTs, how do you not know who Shinji is

 

[Robo432343]

Buddy I've seen you argue on multiple different nasuverse CRTs, how do you not know who Shinji is

coz i didnt watch fate stay night

 

[Superscharbe]

we hit grace on speedster352‘s vote
gg

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I have learned some disturbing information about Meliodas so I'm just going to revoke my vote entirely

Meliodas is one of the best shonen protagonist ever what do you mean

 

[Makai641001]

I have learned some disturbing information about Meliodas so I'm just going to revoke my vote entirely

He was just protecting his wife wdym

 

[Makai641001]

Meliodas is one of the best shonen protagonist ever what do you mean

W ngl

 

[Arkansalter2]

Inconclusive FRA

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Grace shoulda been over for this a while ago, right?

 

[Makai641001]

Grace shoulda have been over for this a while ago, right?

Yes it can be added

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Alright gonna get a mod to add this to profiles and close this then