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Depends, iirc it was 2-3 Universes
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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0
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IIRC Touhou has Outerversal arguments now, but nobody is willing to do the CRT to bring them up.
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Nonynho
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Funny enough that either way TenSura gets the position, either for them becoming another tier or for their haxes not being enough to stop the scaling gap between the 2-C ratings
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Change Siren in 8-C to Characters from God of War. Gorgons now have a page and no one below No.6 has an answer for instant petrification that can affect souls, concepts, info and more.
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Positron resists, and only the soul is mentioned in the profile.
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Posi does resist the effect, I'm not sure how much the cause changes things though, since, y'know, he doesn't have esoteric resistances because CoH doesn't have esoteric shit.
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Click on Soul Magic please.
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Heya, Dragonite
Please put TenSura Characters in 2-C's 8th position (with speed equalized) for the reasons here, mate
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For the record, if I actually thought Posi had any chance in hell I would have argued it, but huge AoEs with a bunch of esoteric nonsense on them are not something he can deal with in the time it takes him to blast em.
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About L2-C: Could someone tell why Medea's spot is that high on the list?
I don't see her doing well against most of that tier and the 5th spot is an Ergenverse character
I don't see her doing well against most of that tier and the 5th spot is an Ergenverse character
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2-A immortality and CM attack
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Curious, why aren't Medea and Nil any higher in 2-C given how spots 2-6 (Exception being Mundus given how he got upgraded to Low 1-C) don't even have Multiversal+ range to affect them?
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How do they work?
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immeasurable reaction speed of CM attack with 2-A immortality
so she will always have the advantage to attack first due to immeasurable reaction speed
and incase she didn't she got 2-A immortality
infnity destroyer is also a CM hax with history erasure
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Because, they incon with everyone above them.
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Besides the range Ecang has immeasurable speed and up to a 3rd step cultivation which include hax like EE, CM3, Law, Fate, Reality warping which are presumably layered.
No one has answered how her 2-A immortality work
Edit: I've just noticed minus CM1 on his profile
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2-A immortality works based on her true form where she always has a split soul somewhere hiding within the expanse of 2-A multiverse
Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0
My guy, you do realize the speed difference between the two is ~8 trillion times, right? Eternatus wouldn't be able to land a single hit on Jimmy and thus Jimmy can still win by a speedblitz even without his equipment. Passives have infinite speed and Jimmy has nothing to defeat Eternatus...
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To clarify Ecang still has CM1, what he lacks is the CM1 of essence, which is 1-A smurfery. He still has the CM1 of domains, which are not smurf and from a lower tier of cultivation
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As i see it, her weakness is what's bringing TenSura characters to this position instead of her
Because she isn't able to sense his level properly, he is going to be underestimated and will be able to execute his hax properly to end her
So i nominate him to occupy this position
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How do they know of the main body and how do they find it to be able to target it?
Aside from that, immeasurable reactions means she could see an instantaneous attack coming and decide to retroactively fight back.
She also will be tipped off about their power instantly due to the mere fact that they survive her passively nuking the universe.
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They have the range. Though I don't know when this disappeared from the profile as Type 9 negation, 2 characters here can kill people with Type 9 Immortality on a 2-A range
(The scan is exactly about her abilities reaching dude's other body (Type 9 immo one) without her doing much)
And it's doesn't matter which time she runs to, the attack also performs time travel
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Doesn't that count as a smurf thing?2-A immortality works based on her true form where she always has a split soul somewhere hiding within the expanse of 2-A multiverse
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My guy, you do realize the speed difference between the two is ~8 trillion times, right? Eternatus wouldn't be able to land a single hit on Jimmy and thus Jimmy can still win by a speedblitz even without his equipment. Passives have infinite speed and Jimmy has nothing to defeat Eternatus...vsbattles.com
You're knowledgeable on Ergenverse?
I don't why 3rd step cultivators don't have High 1-B or L1-A range
I've only read Renegade Immortal and found something that could support it, but I don't know if I should make a CRT.
This artificial void created by a 3rd step(1st Lord of The Sealed Realm) and was later on destroyed by a couple 3rd steps weaker than him.
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No? That's a 4D character having an Infinite-4D immortality
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Having the range and having the ability to find and target someone are two entirely different things.
So is knowing that you even need to do that. Medea's fragments has no signs of having a true body whatsoever, so unless those guys use that ability against literally any random opponent, they just won't start with that.
I only see it say it found something beyond time and space, which isn't enough. Naofumi didn't sense the real body and he has the multiversal equivalent of intergalactic sensing for human targets.
You got to explain a bit more about what ability is used there and on what.
And Medea's acausal, so if it hits anything but her present version it won't matter.
And the point wasn't about hiding, but about the whole "she will give them time" thing to not matter, as she can just act in reverse order of events.
And, as said, she passively nukes the universe in the SBA scenario, so if they survive that, underestimation is automatically out.
The premise that they have time just doesn't hold.
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Even if they don't start with that, the moment they see/sense her second body, they will use it
They've been dealing with Aca3, they know how to distinguish
Regarding the other point, see below
Sorry about that, I was searching for when was Immo9 negation removed, so that was a scan from a year ago, the one I referenced was the current one, I didn't check twice. Either way, here you go
And Velgrynd also didn't sense the guy, since his main body is in a sealed Otherworld she doesn't normally have access to
I'm telling that it will follow her, tho maybe I misunderstood your point
I kinda didn't even think about arguing for that, I just kinda chimed in
I'm not considering that point as valid as of now
Funnily enough, they also passively nuke the universe they're in, but on a higher level, so would that stop her from transmitting a message?
Also, what happens when her one version is killed? From current descriptions, no new versions come? They just stay where they are?
Because that looks like a self-bfr or a non-combat applicable immo if she can't continue harassing her opponent
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Yeah
I've read RI
But anyways, cultivators already have 1-A range with Essences
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The verse is extremely outdated is why, for the most part. Ecang specifically does not have Dao Essence, but he has other baseline 3rd Step abilities.
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But her second body isn't around anywhere. That's kinda the point. They don't see two of her at the same time.
Yeah, I still need more information. In which way is Cornu's main body related to him? And what kinda of other world are we talking about here? How does it relate to the one the attack hits in?
My point is that if the attack time travels and kills her past version her present version wouldn't care. So if the attack is specifically focused on time travel that's a net negative for it.
Doesn't really need to transmit anything. She will notice a part of her just vanished, if that were to kill it.
What do you mean with her "one version"?
As long as she has power left she could just create new fragments to send into battle. So I don't really see it being either BFR nor non-combat applicable.
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And I'm saying that they do it the second time for sure
Yk, they kill one, then after some time encounter another and now definitely use this
Cornu's body only relation is the soul having the same structure, the fake one is basically a split-off, very similar to how Medea works
The world that's specified in the scan has no relation to the one she's in. It's actually not just "otherworld", but "the Otherworld" ("Tachikai" vs "Ikai" in Japanese), which is the space between 4D structures (what we consider an insignificant 5th dimension by some wiki standards, but wasn't yet proven to be such in the verse), hence the whole "beyond space and time" thingy
Plus, there's a guy who's situation is pretty much identical to Medea, his soul is split into fragments and all of them are dispersed into random worlds, but Velgrynd can track them all just fine
So the second time she sees Medea she'll just specify her soul as target and that will target all her split-offs and the main thing ne
Seems we had a misunderstanding indeed
I thought you were arguing that she escapes the attack via Immeasurable speed, hence the whole time travel talk
So like, will she know who killed it? Would she send other split-offs to deal with them
Does SBA affect all of them?
I'm asking if she continues to send her versions to the people once one of them is killed in-character
Or if she just ignores the death of one
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Hey, here am i again!
Today, i'll be talking about putting Espectro Inesquecido "Liz" Webber in our 9-A section.
Her main haxes are based on layers and one of her strongest attacks, which she should be doing immediately as the fight starts, if possible, is to Terrify, which has 15 layers of Fear and Mind manips, if she's at close range. The biggest problem of her oppositors is Disturbing Presence, which procs immediately when the match starts, passively, and needs 25* layers of resistance to everything to not get cooked immediately.
With mainly those above, she should be above those fellas below, with speed equalized, unfortunately:
I say so because it really seems to be the case sometimes as i am a very unlucky person here in the forum lmfao
Other than that, Disturbing Presence should gg
This behaviour of his is likely, but it's not 100% of the time what he does and there may be no proper answer for a part of her kit, specially as Momonga's a very curious individual and merely seeing her will bring catastrophe. I'd settle with Liz being here, of course with speed equal.
Today, i'll be talking about putting Espectro Inesquecido "Liz" Webber in our 9-A section.
Her main haxes are based on layers and one of her strongest attacks, which she should be doing immediately as the fight starts, if possible, is to Terrify, which has 15 layers of Fear and Mind manips, if she's at close range. The biggest problem of her oppositors is Disturbing Presence, which procs immediately when the match starts, passively, and needs 25* layers of resistance to everything to not get cooked immediately.
With mainly those above, she should be above those fellas below, with speed equalized, unfortunately:
Due to this one having no layers described
Due to this one having no layers described, starting at close range definetely doesn't help
Due to this one having no layers described, starting at close range definetely doesn't help
Due to this one having no layers described, starting at close range definetely doesn't help
Due to this one having no layers described, starting at close range definetely doesn't help
Due to this one having no layers described, even starting 1.5km away shouldn't help because of the 18m maximum range of Sans' attacks, which when he TPs to will proc Disturbing Presence and gg
If they start at 4km and Reaper brings up an immediate, undodgeable attack, where none of the multi-layered resistances help her out, it's gg
I say so because it really seems to be the case sometimes as i am a very unlucky person here in the forum lmfao
Other than that, Disturbing Presence should gg
Due to this one having no layers described
Due to this one having no layers described, starting at close range definetely doesn't help
Due to this one having no layers described, starting at close range definetely doesn't help
I'm convinced that if Momonga-Sama doesn't Time Stop at 4km away, he doesn't win
This behaviour of his is likely, but it's not 100% of the time what he does and there may be no proper answer for a part of her kit, specially as Momonga's a very curious individual and merely seeing her will bring catastrophe. I'd settle with Liz being here, of course with speed equal.
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He 100% will against an unknown.
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Mind and soul are the same thing in garo so she'd likely need soul hax to mind hax him (dk if she does and don't know if it counter madness type 3)
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A note of course that due to the nature of Samurai Souls her stuff can't actually affect his soul/mind as it's IM2/Fate
Though there is an argument that the madness works either way due to the nature of type 3 madness but eh
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Should also note that Overlord minds and souls are the same thing soooo
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Mardicus minimum range is 60 meters, he can easily use seal on her, before her getting closer
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25 layers of passive madness T3 and death manipulation still kills them all.
