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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

The Primordials page was deleted so they should be removed from "Characters from God of War" in Low 1-C. As it stands, Chaos, Nyx, Ouranos, Morpheus, Zeus, Athena, Kratos, and several other characters can stand at that spot. It should just be "Characters from God of War".
 
Dragonite007 said:
Only physical stats are considered (I.E. if a character has a High 3-A technique but is only 9-A by itself, then the character will only count for 9-A and not for High 3-A). Multipliers that physically enhance a character to a different tier are allowed to be used for that character's placement in that tier (I.E. If you have a character that is normally 9-B, but through enhancements is capable of reaching 9-A, they would be allowed in both 9-B and 9-A respectively). Characters also must be physically in the tier they're being requested to place in. This means having Striking Strength on that level.
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Is this rule considering unknown < any/all rating?

There's a character where the only thing he's got as unknown is Striking Strength and Durability, both because of its lack of physical body, but it is otherwise, both at the tier and at the AP, at 9-A, so just because of it's SS it'll be tiered as Unknown?
 
Nonynho said:
Is this rule considering unknown < any/all rating?

There's a character where the only thing he's got as unknown is Striking Strength and Durability, both because of its lack of physical body, but it is otherwise, both at the tier and at the AP, at 9-A, so just because of it's SS it'll be tiered as Unknown?
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Yeah. That's why the unknown rating has so many ghosts as the top 10.
 
DaReaperMan said:
That and Gul'dan's mere existence.
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he talks his way out of any conflict with basically no effort lmfao

the Cangaceiro who was about to shoot him for being previously fooled by him trusted he'd be ressurected by a harmonica and ordered his own death (besides maaaaaaany other times he could've died and just didn't) lmfao
him just saying "don't kill me pretty please" and seeming too pathetic for him to have the trouble killing or being a matter of focus at all would get more than half of the wiki, no joke
 
Nonynho said:
he talks his way out of any conflict with basically no effort lmfao

the Cangaceiro who was about to shoot him for being previously fooled by him trusted he'd be ressurected by a harmonica and ordered his own death (besides maaaaaaany other times he could've died and just didn't) lmfao
him just saying "don't kill me pretty please" and seeming too pathetic for him to have the trouble killing or being a matter of focus at all would get more than half of the wiki, no joke
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Ah yes, I'm sure the arrogant, omnicidal, full-of-himself blowhard is going to be SI'd.

Gul'dan doesn't like humans anyway and souls are a literal battery to him, cricket won't get a single word out before being obliterated.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Ah yes, I'm sure the arrogant, omnicidal, full-of-himself blowhard is going to be SI'd.

Gul'dan doesn't like humans anyway and souls are a literal battery to him, cricket won't get a single word out before being obliterated.
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this discussion could go far but since he's getting cockblocked by that ghost ot even try something against Gul'Dan, imma leave it at that
Basically know that the people who he somehow lived against were also interested in killing every single being in his town or killing every poor person that approached...or the literal devil who'd feed from his soul too and not even literal Jesus could defend him against the accusations the devil brought up on him
my man is no joke lmfao
 
Nonynho said:
this discussion could go far but since he's getting cockblocked by that ghost ot even try something against Gul'Dan, imma leave it at that
Basically know that the people who he somehow lived against were also interested in killing every single being in his town or killing every poor person that approached...or the literal devil who'd feed from his soul too and not even literal Jesus could defend him against the accusations the devil brought up on him
my man is no joke lmfao
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Is their kill count multiple infinities with zero remorse for that whatsoever?
 
DaReaperMan said:
Is their kill count multiple infinities with zero remorse for that whatsoever?
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as it is set in a more realistic scenario, definetely not that number for the Aporophobic (who should be in the tens, due to the townsfolk being fearful of him) nor for the Cangaceiros (who should be in the hundreds, maybe thousands, due to killing sprees in multiple states of Brazil's northwest of both townsfolk, police and military forces), but maybe for the devil as hes, y'know, the biblical devil.
What the 3 have in common is the lack of regret/remorse for the kills, though. 0, whatsoever, indeed.
 
Nonynho said:
as it is set in a more realistic scenario, definetely not that number for the Aporophobic (who should be in the tens, due to the townsfolk being fearful of him) nor for the Cangaceiros (who should be in the hundreds, maybe thousands, due to killing sprees in multiple states of Brazil's northwest of both townsfolk, police and military forces), but maybe for the devil as hes, y'know, the biblical devil.
What the 3 have in common is the lack of regret/remorse for the kills, though. 0, whatsoever, indeed.
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And how many had the opportunity to resist or ask to stop or anything?

That's the thing with Gul'dan, he will do ANYTHING for power. We're talking having someone else interspecies r-word(crime) a baby into existence just so he can age the damn thing up, torture it, and mind control it into being his personal assassin. Mid-end evil for the guy by the by

Also, biblical Satan really doesn't mean much.
 
DaReaperMan said:
And how many had the opportunity to resist or ask to stop or anything?

That's the thing with Gul'dan, he will do ANYTHING for power. We're talking having someone else interspecies r-word(crime) a baby into existence just so he can age the damn thing up, torture it, and mind control it into being his personal assassin. Mid-end evil for the guy by the by

Also, biblical Satan really doesn't mean much.
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jesse what the **** are you talking about
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
jesse what the **** are you talking about
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Garona Halforcen. As is obvious from the last name, she's only half-orc. Because Gul'dan had a male Orc **** a female Dreanei. Garona's also the one who made the razing of Stormwind possible cause Gul'dan had her stab the king.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Garona Halforcen. As is obvious from the last name, she's only half-orc. Because Gul'dan had a male Orc **** a female Dreanei. Garona's also the one who made the razing of Stormwind possible cause Gul'dan had her stab the king.
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is there an orc with a thing for male pregnancy perchance
 
DaReaperMan said:
And how many had the opportunity to resist or ask to stop or anything?
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basically all who ain't the biblical devil lol

DaReaperMan said:
That's the thing with Gul'dan, he will do ANYTHING for power. We're talking having someone else interspecies r-word(crime) a baby into existence just so he can age the damn thing up, torture it, and mind control it into being his personal assassin. Mid-end evil for the guy by the by
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and he'll get SI'd to think "lol this guy's unworthy of my time, let him witness what i'll do to all of this 'Central Park' and those worthless humans of not-Azeroth", and it'll be funny because Ariano Suassuna was a mastermind of comedy
 
Nonynho said:
basically all who ain't the biblical devil lol
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Aka, you assume.
Nonynho said:
and he'll get SI'd to think "lol this guy's unworthy of my time, let him witness what i'll do to all of this 'Central Park' and those worthless humans of not-Azeroth", and it'll be funny because Ariano Suassuna was a mastermind of comedy
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Oh, he's not worthless, cause he's a spirit. So he's a battery. Cricket opens his mouth and he's immediately in some soul stone or other.
 
Suggesting Sirens for 8-C. On a quick skim, no one below No. 7 can handle info/concept/mind/soul based control via their voice, which they always open with. Unless there's passives that I missed.
 
For 5-B, what is the reason that Neo can't just nuke the two other spots above him, ie Saiki and Meng Chuan? Neither of them seem to have anything that could permanently kill him, nor anything stopping him from death manip/absorption with a thought, or use his aura, or anything really (all of which are layered).
 
Putting "Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken" for the 2-C rank, above those due to scaling to at least 50 universes and quite a bunch of hax:

Dragonite007 said:
12. Characters from The Fairly OddParents!
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2 universes and hax that can't win

Dragonite007 said:
11. Junko
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Verse's cosmology blog is mentioned to be out of date and does not mention 2-C

Dragonite007 said:
10. Characters from Super Sentai
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OH MY GOD THAT IS THE MOST ANNOYING VERSE TO VERIFY IN ALL OF EXISTENCE WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F* IS THAT????
I spent 10min reading cosmology blogs that don't talk about nothing except 2-B, 2-A or 1-C
Then i found that some Power Rangers could be 2-C, found none but saw that it's the ones that crossover with Kamen Rider
And i spent more like 15min checking the 2-C category, which have NO CHARACTERS PROPERLY EXPLAINING WHY THEY ARE 2-C
Characters are indexed A L W A Y S as being 2-C because someone else is, 60% of the time it is an inception, because the fella scales to another one, and the other 40% are 1-C characters (???????)
EVERY Kamen Rider character in the 2-C rating does not mention in the profile to how many universes the 2-C rating scales to, always mention other characters who also don't have this and end up scaling to Kamen Rider Blades or Saber, and guess what? Blades is either in tier 7 or 6 and jumps straight into 1-C and Saber does exactly the same and even has a H1-A key.

If this is just a whole bunch of poorly written AP sections, stop the TenSura characters here and i'll see if debating is possible, but someone has to take a look at this. To be clear, i'll proceed as if this is just outdated and should be in other ratings, and so far, TenSura occupies the 10th position

Dragonite007 said:
9. Characters from Battle for Dream Island (Announcer & One)
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Seems like they scale to 4 universes and don't have the haxes to end Rimuru and co.

Dragonite007 said:
8. Nil (Her Tears Were My Light)
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The hardest-to-deal-with hax seems to be NEP, which TenSura also has and deals with, on the characters of this rating, so i think they can end up here with speed equalized
 
Rikimarox2 said:
For 5-B, what is the reason that Neo can't just nuke the two other spots above him, ie Saiki and Meng Chuan? Neither of them seem to have anything that could permanently kill him, nor anything stopping him from death manip/absorption with a thought, or use his aura, or anything really (all of which are layered).
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Smth smth Meng passively incaps with AZ aura (forget if Neo can act as a disembodied consciousness)
 
Nonynho said:
OH MY GOD THAT IS THE MOST ANNOYING VERSE TO VERIFY IN ALL OF EXISTENCE WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F* IS THAT????
I spent 10min reading cosmology blogs that don't talk about nothing except 2-B, 2-A or 1-C
Then i found that some Power Rangers could be 2-C, found none but saw that it's the ones that crossover with Kamen Rider
And i spent more like 15min checking the 2-C category, which have NO CHARACTERS PROPERLY EXPLAINING WHY THEY ARE 2-C
Characters are indexed A L W A Y S as being 2-C because someone else is, 60% of the time it is an inception, because the fella scales to another one, and the other 40% are 1-C characters (???????)
EVERY Kamen Rider character in the 2-C rating does not mention in the profile to how many universes the 2-C rating scales to, always mention other characters who also don't have this and end up scaling to Kamen Rider Blades or Saber, and guess what? Blades is either in tier 7 or 6 and jumps straight into 1-C and Saber does exactly the same and even has a H1-A key.

If this is just a whole bunch of poorly written AP sections, stop the TenSura characters here and i'll see if debating is possible, but someone has to take a look at this. To be clear, i'll proceed as if this is just outdated and should be in other ratings, and so far, TenSura occupies the 10th position
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#hurt. Jokes aside, the only 2-C guys are Ryusoul Red and Zenkaizer. Ryusoul is 1/7th 2 universes from Zyuoh Eagle & Zenkaizer did scale from saber's 2 universes, but they got upgraded and he never got updated.
 
Deonment said:
Smth smth Meng passively incaps with AZ aura (forget if Neo can act as a disembodied consciousness)
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IIRC, he does (Prior to this, he was able to summon shadow shenanigans and absorb the entirety earth). Dude can think and act even without his body. Though I'm not sure if that changes if because it's an incap, but I feel like that wouldn't make sense, yk? I think there is also another case but I gotta find that.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Though I'm not sure if that changes if because it's an incap, but I feel like that wouldn't make sense, yk?
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Tis mainly on the principle of, no body no way to interface with the world, but if he can actually do stuff in spite of that that could kill then yeah he can take the spot, esp since the usual CN arguments for potency I can't make, as I don't exactly know the novel
 
Deonment said:
Because the cosmology blog predates the 2-C, but there are multiple CRTs to have upgraded them there
Don't just dismiss the spot because of that
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Btw, why did no one try to bring them higher with that PP2?

Either way, the 2-C Tensura people have AE on IM2 and CM1, so it's a stalemate, but iirc if you stalemate but beat those after, you still go up for indexing
Deonment said:
Smth smth on thought plot-based EE
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Same thing, interaction. Also, passive layered EE would like to say hi



Anyway, I think spot 7 also loses, since no interaction and the moment the 2-C people land in New York the whole timeline is nuked, so Imme wouldn't help (plus Aca1). And then just haxed to oblivion
 
AlexSamDen said:
since no interaction and the moment the 2-C people land in New York the whole timeline is nuked
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Don't think it actually changes the end result all too much, but that doesn't really matter, as medea's type 9 immo is 2-A in scope

About touhou, idfk
 
Deonment said:
Tis mainly on the principle of, no body no way to interface with the world, but if he can actually do stuff in spite of that that could kill then yeah he can take the spot, esp since the usual CN arguments for potency I can't make, as I don't exactly know the novel
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I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but I assume you mean you agree with Neo taking the spot, since he can act independently from his body? I'm not certain if there are any feats of him being technically incapped and being able to do something (mainly because, there are legit no incap for him lmao. His entire body could be screwed (including brain) and he could still do stuff). I do however, recall him just discarding his body and doing shit as spirit/soul, as that is very common.

Furthermore, I would assume his own aura would do some stuff here, since it is powernull, but eh.
 
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