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Manjiro Sano Vs Yu The Boxer

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XxZetsuxX said:
He still needs time to activate it, Yu starts with a blitz amp, Mikey does not have time lol
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Do you think Mikey sits down and activates it. No! It happens instantly and he's shrowded by something that induces fear, which would stop Yu.
 
Before all of that, the OP mentions that Mikey has access to Katana and Dark Impulses, yes? Doesn't that mean Mikey needs to activate Dark Impulse first? I'll go with that assumption.

Additionally, your argument falls apart when you state;
Premise 2: Fear Disrupts Perception
Fear disrupts a users perception speed.
AND
His fear hax disrupt Yu's chain perception, as they work on people comparable to Yu's insanity.

Yu, as we stated a million times now, does not give a shit about death, and is suicidal. AND, you forgot that Yu operates at a much higher Reaction/Perception speed, so even then, he has much more time to snap out of it even if it works.

Can you please, show me a single scan of him stunning a guy for a period of time, with said guy being suicidal, and not caring about his life?

Your current strategy is;
Mikey activates Dark Impulse -> It stuns Yu -> He kills Yu with a single attack.

When;
  • Yu has enhanced perception speed
  • Does not give a shit about his life or death, even when fighting dudes who could rip him to shreds and causes others to fear him. Dude is suicidal
  • You assume Mikey will somehow start Dark Impulse immediately, when Yu has the higher reaction speed, and can start before Mikey
  • You assume Yu will be stunned for such a long period of time despite his much higher reaction speed, even when other people in the scans can still have thoughts and dialogue.
Yeah idk, I don't remember jack about the inference rule and whatnot, but this is what I came up with. Honestly this shit has gone for like 4 pages, so we'll likely stay the same. Just count the vote bro, I doubt anyone here will change their minds after 4 pages. Most people are still convinced by Yu's arguments.
 
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We see here the aura is forming, meaning there is a timeframe for how fast his DI activates and forms the fear aura, Yu can blitz him in this moment
 
Even if Mikey's fear hax could hypothetically activate and stun Yu for a moment or two, Yu has basically infinite time in comparison to Mikey to regain his composure. He sees the world at a standstill. That provides considerable time to think.
 
Vzearr said:
Apparently, because Yu visualises his trauma that he's therefore immune to supernatural fear induction.
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Visualizing your own traumas isn't proof if your mental health was broken in the first place. If anything, a better justification for resisting would be superhuman willpower, but I don't see anyone arguing that, and I also don't see Yu being able to do anything while frozen with fear.
 
Pyro9278 said:
Visualizing your own traumas isn't proof if your mental health was broken in the first place. If anything, a better justification for resisting would be superhuman willpower, but I don't see anyone arguing that, and I also don't see Yu being able to do anything while frozen with fear.
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Blud did NOT read any of the evidence presented outside of Vzearr's messages
 
Pyro9278 said:
Visualizing your own traumas isn't proof if your mental health was broken in the first place. If anything, a better justification for resisting would be superhuman willpower, but I don't see anyone arguing that, and I also don't see Yu being able to do anything while frozen with fear.
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He's lying, because that's not what I said. If you had read the argument instead of listening to his lies you would know what I was talking about, which is that Mikey's perception hax doesn't make Yu see anything he doesn't actively hallucinate on a daily basis. Please read back, as he is a liar.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Additionally, your argument falls apart when you state;
Premise 2: Fear Disrupts Perception
Fear disrupts a users perception speed.
AND
His fear hax disrupt Yu's chain perception, as they work on people comparable to Yu's insanity.

Yu, as we stated a million times now, does not give a shit about death, and is suicidal. AND, you forgot that Yu operates at a much higher Reaction/Perception speed, so even then, he has much more time to snap out of it even if it works.

Can you please, show me a single scan of him stunning a guy for a period of time, with said guy being suicidal, and not caring about his life?

Your current strategy is;
Mikey activates Dark Impulse -> It stuns Yu -> He kills Yu with a single attack.

When;
  • Yu has enhanced perception speed
  • Does not give a shit about his life or death, even when fighting dudes who could rip him to shreds and causes others to fear him. Dude is suicidal
  • You assume Mikey will somehow start Dark Impulse immediately, when Yu has the higher reaction speed, and can start before Mikey
  • You assume Yu will be stunned for such a long period of time despite his much higher reaction speed, even when other people in the scans can still have thoughts and dialogue.
Yeah idk, I don't remember jack about the inference rule and whatnot, but this is what I came up with.
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False.

Under PSR; any successful attack by Yu must be grounded in a complete causal chain: perception → cognitive power → decision → execution. This is not an arbitrary claim but its literally a structural requirement of intentional action. By inference rules, particularly modus tollens, "if a necessary condition for an outcome is negated, the outcome itself cannot occur". If perception is required for a strike, and Mikey’s Dark Impulses disrupt that perception, even minimally, then the causal chain required for Yu to land the first hit is no longer sufficiently grounded. You attempt to bypass this by appealing to edge cases (blind attacks, instinct, etc.), but these are not representative of intentional combat exchanges and therefore do not invalidate the necessity condition being used by moi.

Furthermore, your rebunk relies heavily on metaphysically unjustified assumptions about resistance. Claiming that Yu is “suicidal” or “does not fear death” does not entail immunity to fear or perception manipulation; the premise isn't followed by the conclusion. This conflates a psychological attitude with a perceptual resistance, which are categorically distinct. Under PSR, if you assert that Yu can bypass or resist Mikey’s causal disruption, their must provide a sufficient explanation for how that resistance operates. No such mechanism is given by YOU. Instead, you shift the burden of proof by asking for scans of identical feats, which is invalid; the standard is not identical circumstance but demonstrated resistance. In the escense of that the default assumption is that the ability functions as shown. Likewise, invoking higher reaction or perception speed does not resolve the issue, because using speed presupposes a functioning perceptual input. In metaphysics, the quality of the causal input has been compromised, so increasing the rate of processing does not resetablish a sufficient cause for a successful hit by Yu.

You also assume without any evidence that Yu can act before Mikey’s ability takes effect, directly contradicting our shared premise of equal starting speed in the OP. This is just an illicit insertion of a new condition.

F = FI = SEI = Win.
 
Arceus0x said:
The fear induction being hot garbage that can't stop a thug properly
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I mean, this is straight up wrong. Mikey has stunned and froze multiple delinquents in fear (1,2,3).

Anyways, I agree with Vzearr's reasoning that Yu won't be able to get the first hit due to Mikey's fear hax. Idk why people are debating how Yu resists it or whatever when I'm not seeing any res to fear hax in his profile. If he has one, it should be added to his profile. If he doesn't, you can't argue that he resists it lol.

I also think that Mikey has enough showings of endurance feats (literally has Superhuman stamina) to prove that he can tank one dura neg hit from Yu (if he even gets one off before getting fear haxed, dura negged and paralysed himself) which would be enough for him to get into Yu's range and grab him or, fear hax him.
 
Dinozxd said:
to prove that he can tank one dura neg hit from Yu
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He doesn't, a single direct hit to the heart killed Aaron and he needed to be revived with electric shocks, and Aaron was so much more durable than Yu's AP that he couldn't even harm him with normal blows. A hit to the head will kill him instantly.
 
azontr said:
He has Instinctive Action, he doesn't need to decide, he just does. His body intuitively takes the best path to victory.
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Instinctive action does not eliminate the need for perception; it only removes deliberation. You're trying to get through causal chain by removing the “decision” step. LOL this changes nothing atm.
 
Vzearr said:
Instinctive action does not eliminate the need for perception; it only removes deliberation. You're trying to get through causal chain by removing the “decision” step. LOL this changes nothing atm.
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Your entire argument literally hinges on the idea that Yu needs to go through this chain of decisions to land the first hit, lol.
Vzearr said:
Blatant misrepresentation of such feat.
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No, he's right, they are barely stunned. They aren't going frozen or are unable to even flinch.
 
azontr said:
Your entire argument literally hinges on the idea that Yu needs to go through this chain of decisions to land the first hit, lol.
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And you presupposed that instinctive action disrupts this chain. When in escense, it doesn't necesitate a disruption of it.
azontr said:
No, he's right, they are barely stunned. They aren't going frozen or are unable to even flinch.
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You're denying visual representation of the feat; they visibly do not move out of the way, they're indeed frozen.
 
Dino said to change it to starting in DI, then it shall be granted.
 
Vzearr said:
And you presupposed that instinctive action disrupts this chain. When in escense, it doesn't necesitate a disruption of it.
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Your chain involves a decision phase and a perception phase. If there is no decision phase the chain is disrupted.
Vzearr said:
You're denying visual representation of the feat; they visibly do not move out of the way, they're indeed frozen.
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Vzearr said:
They're frozen and Mikey kicks them and knocks them out, that's the full scene.
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Not what happened. The guy in the first scan got defeated offscreen, the guy in the second scan didn't fight Mikey, and the guy in the 3rd scan literally just got blitzed. Why are you still lying to people?
 
Vzearr said:
They're frozen and Mikey kicks them and knocks them out, that's the full scene.
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Show the actual full feat if possible. And any other fear stuff? I'm sorry, but I checked the references, and that aura was nowhere near as powerful as you make it out to be? Moreso just "Oh shit this guy is scary". Not a single feat of someone actually freezing up and not being able to do anything even when they want to, especially when just moments after he freezes a dude, he fights other dudes who fight him without an issue. Does the fear aura just come from the activation?

Like, looking at the scans, even Yu's fear stuff seems so much more impressive that it is unreal.

Please, provide actual scans of the fight, and other fear stuff. And stop going on "Well, you're placing the burden of proof on me by ASKING for scans", when the essence of any vsbattle match are profiles, and, well, scans.
 
XxZetsuxX said:
Then he loses his activation fear aura and literally doesn't start with it giving Yu yet another blitz moment
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If he starts in DI, does he start in as soon as activation is done.... Yes...
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Show the actual full feat if possible. And any other fear stuff? I'm sorry, but I checked the references, and that aura was nowhere near as powerful as you make it out to be? Moreso just "Oh shit this guy is scary".
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His fear terrifies people just long enough for him to hit them.
 
azontr said:
You are still lying. There are multiple scans in between the first and second image. You are selectively cutting images to make your argument stronger.W
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What are you accusing me of exactly? I showed what happened, why would I need to show the dialogue from a different scene...

Don't accuse me of stuff when I could very well do the same.
 
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