Manjiro Sano Vs Yu The Boxer

[Vzearr]

Manjiro Sano
AP: Possibly 133 MJ, massively higher.
Lifting Strength: 32 Tons
Equal Speed.

Yu The Boxer
AP: 62 MJ
Lifting Strength: 0.1 Tons
Equal Speed.​

Battle Takes Place In The Centre of Tokyo.
Mikey has access to a Katana and starts in DI.​

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[Rikimarox2]

If Manjiro so much as slightly grab Yu, he's kinda not getting out. Though a punch or two could help.

Then again, the AP difference isn't that massive (Yu fodderized the shit out of the dude who did the 62MJ feat, and only got stronger, well, much stronger when he fought Aaron). With his Dura-Neg, wouldn't Yu be able to kill him with a few attacks, if not possibly one shot him? He fought Aaron, who was pretty much a tank compared to Yu, to the point his punches pretty much did nothing at the start (then he got stronger but meh), but his Dura neg was screwing him up badly.

That said, is Manjiro's fear manip supernatural? I feel like Yu would shrug off pretty much any fear stuff as long as it isn't something supernatural, and by that I mean fear that just works regardless of Will and stuff like that.

I don't know jack about Manjiro's skills, so if he's some skill slop god, that might be a slight problem. Still, based on the pages of both, I'm leaning towards Yu due to higher reaction speed, kinda just amping the **** out, and the dura neg.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Voting Yu for Azontr reasons (when he gets here)

 

[Buzzflightyear]

I'm still not knowledgeable on Tokyo Revengers or Boxer but based on the profiles Manjiro would just eventually cut off Yu's head with the katana due to the fear manipulation aspect and he also has progressive speed amps that countered future precognition? I think that would negate Yu's perception manipulation (I don't really understand how it applies in combat if the aaron guy was able to damage Yu without a similar amp than Manjiro has). I vote Manjiro

 

[Vzearr]

If Manjiro so much as slightly grab Yu, he's kinda not getting out. Though a punch or two could help.

Why?

Then again, the AP difference isn't that massive (Yu fodderized the shit out of the dude who did the 62MJ feat, and only got stronger, well, much stronger when he fought Aaron).

Mikey also foderises the dude who foderised the dude who gets him to 133 megajoules.

With his Dura-Neg, wouldn't Yu be able to kill him with a few attacks, if not possibly one shot him? He fought Aaron, who was pretty much a tank compared to Yu, to the point his punches pretty much did nothing at the start (then he got stronger but meh), but his Dura neg was screwing him up badly

Mikey has supernatural willpower, has been shot in the head and still was alive, beaten with a metal pole to the temple, and then performed superhuman feats. Has basically infinite stamina.

.That said, is Manjiro's fear manip supernatural? I feel like Yu would shrug off pretty much any fear stuff as long as it isn't something supernatural, and by that I mean fear that just works regardless of Will and stuff like that.

Yes, it affects perception and the mind.

Mikey overall has the advantage due to his speed amp; he gets significantly faster with every kick in Dark Impulses and the amp is so OP he beat someone who could see 1 second into the future and predict all his kicks.

Theres much more I'll bring up later.

Voting Yu for Azontr reasons (when he gets here)

Are you like being serious or-...

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Are you like being serious or-...

Yes, you can count my vote once Azontr gets here

 

[XxZetsuxX]

But if you want a valid reason;

Yu is naturally blood lusted in this key, he will go for the kill from the get go and spam dura neg and not give Mikey any time to "get faster" with DI

 

[Vzearr]

Yes, you can count my vote once Azontr gets here

Yeah I'm not counting anything with that attitude. Did you just imply that you're voting a character with no reasoning, and that you believe someone will provide good reasoning in the future? That's complete bogus, and I might take this to the RVR if I notice you've done this before, cause that's plain and simply a rule break.

 

[Buzzflightyear]

Has Yu ever faced someone with a blade? That would help the conversation a lot to see how he would deal with Mikey who seems to be in a wild state in dark impulse. If not my vote is still Mikey

 

[Vzearr]

But if you want a valid reason;

Yu is naturally blood lusted in this key, he will go for the kill from the get go and spam dura neg and not give Mikey any time to "get faster" with DI

Mikey is also naturally bloodlusted in DI, and would also go for the kill, you're contradicting your own reasoning.

 

[azontr]

Why do I live only to suffer

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yeah I'm not counting anything with that attitude. Did you just imply that you're voting a character with no reasoning, and that you believe someone will provide good reasoning in the future? That's complete bogus, and I might take this to the RVR if I notice you've done this before, cause that's plain and simply a rule break.

Idk what you want me to say here

Yu no diffs in skill + dura neg which one shots + slow motion + blood lusted + ANPR + IA which makes him attack/dodge at the best timing

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Mikey is also naturally bloodlusted in DI, and would also go for the kill, you're contradicting your own reasoning.

I aint contradicting anything, i said Yu goes for the kill, what am i contradicting here?

 

[Vzearr]

Yu no diffs in skill

Prove that.

+ dura neg which one shots

Mikey also has duraneg, speed hax, supernatural willpower, fear hax, perception manipulation, skill, a katana, and more!

+ slow motion + blood lusted + ANPR + IA which makes him attack/dodge at the best timing

Slow motion won't help him when he's being kicked by a kick significantly faster than the last.

 

[azontr]

We've had this match multiple times before and nothing has changed. Mikey is inferior in basically every metric not strength. Yu blitzes with Monster Stance and pastes his brain with dura neg.

 

[Vzearr]

We've had this match multiple times before and nothing has changed. Mikey is inferior in basically every metric not strength. Yu blitzes with Monster Stance and pastes his brain with dura neg.

Nice, you claimed he pastes him with dura neg and then did nothing else. Good answer, definitely a convincing one.

 

[Da3ggman]

Yu Skill diffs tbh

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Prove that.

Check his profile, Azontr did a great job at describing it (though i think he overhyped a little too much)

Mikey also has duraneg,

He needs to grab him first, he won't, so it's useless

speed hax,

Won't be fast enough to make a difference

supernatural willpower,

Ah yes, Mikey's will power that let's him survive his heart getting blowned out!

fear hax, perception manipulation,

Doesn't start with it and won't have time for it

skill,

What skill mate

a katana,

Slow motion GG

 

[azontr]

though i think he overhyped a little too much)

Improve your glazing skills.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Improve your glazing skills.

I need that skill indeed

 

[Vzearr]

Yu Skill diffs tbh

Also, a good answer, nephew. No proof behind these claims.

He needs to grab him first, he won't so it's useless

Why? Mikey speed blitzes after a few kicks.

Won't be fast enough to make a difference

What... It's equal speed to start off.

Ah yes, Mikey's will power that let's him survive his heart getting blowned out!

Mikey's willpower that let him survive a bullet to the head for a few minutes.

Doesn't start with it and won't have time for it

Does he or does he not go into dark impulses when in a fight against a strong opponent?

What skill mate

Was so skilled that he was able to kick bottle caps off sealed bottles of 4, btw.

Slow motion GG

What's that gonna do.

 

[Vzearr]

Sorry if I sound rude, not trying to be, that's just my tone I guess. Ignore it, lets have a good faith debate.

 

[azontr]

Nice, you claimed he pastes him with dura neg and then did nothing else. Good answer, definitely a convincing one.

I don't care if you're convinced. Nothing has changed from before, Mikey has no abilities that circumvent Yu bending over by an inch and then blitzing him with an unpredictable, unseeable attack that turns his brain into mush. What do you want me to say?

 

[Vzearr]

I don't care if you're convinced. Nothing has changed from before, Mikey has no abilities that circumvent Yu bending over by an inch and then blitzing him with an unpredictable, unseeable attack that turns his brain into mush. What do you want me to say?

Again, you claimed something without providing actual substantiating evidence.

Please try to give an argument instead of a statement.

 

[azontr]

Yu having access to an easily spammable, unseeable and unpredictable attack which does internal damage that can cause instant death is on the profile. I don't need to provide evidence for that. You need to provide evidence of how Mikey deals with it (he can't).

 

[Da3ggman]

Also, a good answer, nephew. No proof behind these claims.

Look at the profiles, the difference in skill is quite clear.

 

[azontr]

Mikey doesn't even have analytical prediction like is this even a match

 

[Da3ggman]

Mikey doesn't even have analytical prediction like is this even a match

Honest to God bro I'm sorry I ever said Kid Baki outskilled bro; Yu's a solid skill merchant

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I will vote Yu if the op doesn't consider this a stomp (it is)

 

[Vzearr]

Yu having access to an easily spammable, unseeable and unpredictable attack which does internal damage that can cause instant death is on the profile. I don't need to provide evidence for that. You need to provide evidence of how Mikey deals with it (he can't).

1. Mikey has access to a supernatural fear manipulation hax that Yu has no way of getting around.
2. Mikey has access to a dura neg ability that incapacitates and paralyses Yu.
3. Mikey cannot be hit by Yu, as, the implication of fear hax, would stun Yu, letting Mikey land the first hit which would obviously paralyse Yu but anyway, he thus, becomes faster than Yu. Even if we assume Mikey's fear hax doesn't work (which you can't prove), he tanked a literal bullet to the brain and was able to function, I don't think a simple punch that bypasses his muscles is going to end him instantly.
4. When Mikey enters dark impulses he gets massively stronger, Yu can't combat this, he literally cannot figure out a way to out speed him, or out ap him.
There's more too!!

Mikey doesn't even have analytical prediction like is this even a match

Why would he need anpr to beat Yu lol.

 

[Vzearr]

Look at the profiles, the difference in skill is quite clear.

Mikey's literally a genius martial artist who created his own duraneg ability, beat 2 expert fighters whilst on top of a junkyard that gave him terrible footing, and more.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Mikey's literally a genius martial artist who created his own duraneg ability, beat 2 expert fighters whilst on top of a junkyard that gave him terrible footing, and more.

Yu became the best boxer in the world (and history) and the very incarnation of it by just seeing a one-two

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

If this is not considered a stomp, I will vote for Yu due to the arguments presented in the thread and the profiles.

 

[azontr]

Unless Mikey's fear hax activates instantaneously, the moment the fight starts, and strikes Yu (the emotionless suicidal kid) with such horrific visions of terror that it stuns him in place, there is nothing Mikey can do to avoid getting blitzed at the start of the fight.

 

[Vzearr]

If this is not considered a stomp, I will vote for Yu due to the arguments presented in the thread and the profiles.

There is literally no evidence behind why he wins, give me one reason.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

There is literally no evidence behind why he wins, give me one reason.

Don't ignore my comment..

 

[Vzearr]

Unless Mikey's fear hax activates instantaneously, the moment the fight starts, and strikes Yu (the emotionless suicidal kid) with such horrific visions of terror that it stuns him in place, there is nothing Mikey can do to avoid getting blitzed at the start of the fight.

You keep claiming this "blitz" without substantiating it. Prove it Azontr, you can't, so stop asserting it.

Mikey's fear hax activates once he goes into DI, which I assume would be at the start of the match.

 

[Vzearr]

Don't ignore my comment..

Yu became the best boxer in the world (and history) and the very incarnation of it by just seeing a one-two

I'm not ignoring it. I don't know what you want me to say. He literally trained to become the best boxer, Mikey didn't.

 

[azontr]

Your inability to read the profile is not my problem.

He literally trained to become the best boxer, Mikey didn't.

He explicitly did not train. K actively discourages him from training anything not his dura neg or his physique. His technique is complete natural talent.

 

[Buzzflightyear]

I haven't really seen any arguments to change my vote from Mikey. Skill doesn't negate the fear inducement aspect or that Mikey would likely instantly kill him after this fact. From what I understand about fear manipulation, you need resistance to counter it, which Yu profile doesn't present currently. From Mikey's profile it instantly activates before the fight starts so this would instantly effect Yu the same way leading to his death since Mikey is bloodlusted and even killed his friends.