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[GRACE] (11-8-0) Kiichi Miyazawa vs Heavyweight Yu (The Boxer)

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I vote Yu FRA, not much as changed from last time tbf, aside from Yu getting new abilities lawl
 
azontr said:
If our fundamental ideas of skill are so different then I agree that coming to a conclusion will probably be more trouble than it is worth and that neutral parties should be allowed to come to their own conclusions. On the topic of reactions, however:
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I can agree to that. If we're at the voting stage I'm voting Kiichi of course.
azontr said:
Disregarding that Yu can see bullets as frozen like Zefra brought up (I consider this to be an outlier which is why i haven't ever made endeavors to add it to the profile), narratively, the point is that his perception is faster than he can move. If he could punch as fast as he could see the world, then that would go contrary to what the story tells us. I understand where you're coming from on this, but it would not make sense narratively for Yu's heightened perception to be such a pivotal part of his abilities if he was just generally moving that fast. If so, he would basically be blitzing people with every movement he makes, but this is evidently not the case.
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Well, he still seems to be well above just about anyone he faces physically, even disregarding the stance amp. I can buy his perception being superior to his combat speed but I don't see it being to such a point that it's to the level that he views comparable enemies as frozen. That's a pretty big deal in VS matches and I don't think there's much that really proves that.
 
Well no, he's not above everyone he faces physically. If anything his most important fight is against someone physically superior to him, who is capable of outspeeding his physical movements but not his reactions, but your reluctance to take it as I have is understandable.
 
Ok now make them both fight Akiba but he's already downed a bottle of pepto (prep time).
 
Armorchompy said:
Anyways why are people arguing Yu's perception amp wins him the fight like Kiichi doesn't have the exact same shit? Look at the Eye in the Sky on his profile. His kicks are also blitz-worthy faster than his normal strikes. He also has a massively wider breadth of techniques, instantly wins the fight off a single grapple, has a way higher level of skill and versatily than Yu - this shit is an easy W.
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I agree with this
 
Yu FRA, if it's personal preference for defining skill we're going off of, I have an obvious answer.
 
Something I did quickly want to mention because it's a little bit relevant is that Yu's "literally never needs to train to become a top tier athlete" thing isn't too different from the Miyazawa bloodline's feats. Kiryu Miyazawa's children are so driven by their father's blood that even with no training whatsoever they'd become incredible fighters, it's built in, Ryusei has an IQ of 180 before even awakening his potential, Kiryu became a millionaire for fun and predicted 9/11, so on so forth. Kiichi isn't directly related since he's adopted (from a similarly cracked family but i digress) but we know his potential is at least comparable if not superior to Ryusei's and he's outright beaten Kiryu (who obviously has that same potential AND trained like hell for his whole life like every other Miyazawa), so the argument of superior talent only holds up so much.

Regarding the matter of perception if it isn't based on solid showings of scaling above his physicals and moreso narrative, Kiichi himself has comparable sensory feats that emphasize the sheer speed he perceives things at, and Garcia's eyes (Kiichi fought and beat Garcia) similarly permit him to predict and perceive every facet of an attack to the point that they're unaffected by hypnosis - I don't interpret these to be faster than his combat speed but I wouldn't for Yu's own showings either - if you do I think it's reasonable to say these'd qualify too. Something that could reasonably mess with Yu even if his perception is better is the Tiger's Paw Strike, which causes hallucinations and actually does enhance the victim's perception so much that they view everything as frozen, only they're still unable to dodge it. They emphasize that being able to see it coming doesn't help, even.
 
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Votes have been counted Kiichi now has 7 votes. Yu has 5, I think this is when the grace period starts?
 
Armorchompy said:
Something I did quickly want to mention because it's a little bit relevant is that Yu's "literally never needs to train to become a top tier athlete" thing isn't too different from the Miyazawa bloodline's feats. Kiryu Miyazawa's children are so driven by their father's blood that even with no training whatsoever they'd become incredible fighters, it's built in, Ryusei has an IQ of 180 before even awakening his potential, Kiryu became a millionaire for fun and predicted 9/11, so on so forth. Kiichi isn't directly related since he's adopted (from a similarly cracked family but i digress) but we know his potential is at least comparable if not superior to Ryusei's and he's outright beaten Kiryu (who obviously has that same potential AND trained like hell for his whole life like every other Miyazawa), so the argument of superior talent only holds up so much.
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Also this isn't what the scans say again, lol. That guy literally did train and was taught. He just didn't need to be taught much. This isn't comparable to Yu needing to see only a single technique to become the best at an entire style.
 
"Even if I hadn't taught you a single thing, you'd have become absurdly strong!"
 
It somewhat loses weight when he was taught a single thing, though, lol.

Anyways, grace started with Eden's vote.
 
azontr said:
The vote gap needs to be 3 votes for grace.
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To be noted, once the thread indeed reaches 7 votes even without a 3-vote lead, if the thread had a very thorough debate (I'd say this thread satisfies this), it's grace for Inconclusive:
If the final verdict did not have a minimum difference of three votes a grace period for inconclusive of 72 hours will begin. The other rules for inconclusive will still apply; grace for inconclusive will only be added if both parties had a notable debate.
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azontr said:
Anyways, grace started with Eden's vote.
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But this would be correct indeed.
 
azontr said:
I knew that, I meant grace for a victory for Kiichi :3
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latest
 
Arceus0x said:
8-6...uh, what do we do now?
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If the final verdict did not have a minimum difference of three votes a grace period for inconclusive of 72 hours will begin. The other rules for inconclusive will still apply; grace for inconclusive will only be added if both parties had a notable debate.
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it can be added as incon
 
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