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report it then, I cba looking through those crts atm
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Mikey vs Griffith
- Thread starter LostLightt
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You and your friend group honestly did the same thing to me when I first came to this site.
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I was prepping a CRT for JJK for the Modulo profiles I can't right now
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I'm just looking through the thread rn but it should be mentioned that Mikey cannot kill Griffith as the latter's life is quite literally protected by fate and causality
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Now we're talking. This is how you progress a thread to get real results. Is the win conditions fight to the death or just incapacitation? If so Mikey could just KO him, if he has to die then it feels like a inconclusive result
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This ability makes this a stomp in Griffith's favor btw. Mikey with DI activated always goes for the kill no matter what. At least prior knowledge about this ability should be given to Mikey so he'd go for an incap rather than a kill.
Context please? Like, what's the importance of surviving and landing a hit on this guy?
Not exactly. Guts feels fear cuz of the power gap, not cuz of fear hax.
Same here. Griffith keeping his calm aganist the same guy means that he can keep his calm even if his opponent's stronger than him. If Mikey's fear hax relied on that, he wouldn't have had it.
How tf is this guy 9-B again?
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Why is this 8 pages already
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OP didn't specify so don't know. Though from what it sounds like, Mikey is bloodlusted with DI actvated so uh
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Why are you telling me this as if I don't think Griffith stomps him either way? I didn't make the match, I don't particularly care about matches to begin with.
The context for surviving more than 5 seconds against the 8-A demon demigod who's entire MO is traveling through countless battlefields, soloing whole armies, just to find someone worth the slightest damn, and he struggles greatly to do even that because he's so far beyond everyone that in his own words, the last time someone even managed to parry him, happened over 30 years ago and he's trained his skill to the utmost and mastered countless whatever, the usual skillslop stuff.
Griffith landing even one hit on this dude is sufficient enough to say he skill stomps the whole of TR.
And he would know how exactly? All Guts seen this dude do is throw a body, he's already fought 3 dudes who could do exactly that. But nah, note how Guts says "This aura" not "this power", sure doesn't sound like some innate "I know exactly how powerful this dude I have never seen before in my life and have yet to actually engage him properly to get a proper gauge on his power beyond things that me and at least 3 other people thus far have done".
Let's not get into the fact Apostles in general have fear aura, it's a common thing, even pathetically weak ones, didn't really think I had to go gather a few dozen different examples given showcasing the actual example Griffith is involved in should be sufficient, when what's shown there is already greater than what Mikey has but alas...
Yeah, unfortunate then that Apostles often just have spooky fear slop in general than, no?
And in that same vain we know for a fact it isn't "he's just strong", hell Guts hasn't even actually traded blows with him yet by the time he thinks that, and Zodd hadn't done anything Guts himself already hasn't done on panel. Most it is, is he looks menacing but he wouldn't shit himself over that or link it to some sort of "aura".
Look dude, if you want to argue at least pick a route that isn't just grasping.
He probably isn't, but that's not really my problem to deal with currently.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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We can beat Gojo vs Makima if we continue like this...Why is this 8 pages already
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Lowkey bears that know taekwondo would be hilarious to watch given their relatively short legs and taekwondos focus on kicks
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We all knows of Kung Fu Bears thanks to Tekken. Maybe God of High School should've had Taekwondo Bears =P
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That just makes the fact they mastered it all the more terrifying.
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You 2 do realize you don't need resistance to fear hax to bypass them right? Strong enough willpower is good enough.
Because willpower doesn't negate the hax, it just allows you to function normally even under their effects. You could have 5000 layers of supernatural fear hax but if the opponent just doesn't care about the fear it's useless
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Is this a bad time to vote Griffith FRA based on @Chariot190's reasoning ?
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whats the vote count currently
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Quick, everyone. Start circlejerking.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Not enough
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Maybe because i don't think Griffith stomps him either way?
This skillslop is like, the same "skillslop" stuff most series have. The whole "This guy has 1 billion years of fighting experience and never lost a single fight!" thing falls on it's face when you don't give me context about who this guy even fought.
To clarify, I'm not even claiming that Mikey beats Griffith in skill btw. In my first msg (which was 7 pages ago lol), I said that Griffith didn't have any h2h feats in his profile and most of his fighting iq rating came from his tactical genius rather than his combat skill, which I assumed was because he was more of a strategist rather than a pure combattant.
Just saying, if you tried to add Fear hax to that guy and justified it with this it'd dall under social influencing instead.
Why doesn't Griffith have resistance to fear hax then?
It shouldn't take you more than simple observation to conclude that a big ass dude on the street is strong asf. The same goes here lmao.
The "aura" part of Guts' statement could be correct if you just looked into it at face value but the fact that King's (from OPMA) "aura" is listed as Social Influencing should make it obvious how I'm not "grasping" for anything.
Then why tf is this a matchup? If Griffith should scale higher, why are people still debating this matchup rather than upgrading the dude to the tier he should scale to. You already said he could damage an 8-A dude in this key no?
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That's nice, but again, why are you telling me that?
Whether or not you think it is or isn't effect doesn't whether or not I do? And as such, whether or not you going "well it'd be a stomp" doesn't effect how I feel about this?
Telling me "it's a stomp if true", doesn't change the fact it's true, or whether or not it matters to me.
What would you want me to say "oh his extremely important ability isn't real, so ignore it"?
Like nah dude it's a thing, whether or not it means Mikey gets buried is besides the point, and that's again ignoring how he's liable to with or without.
I didn't think you needed context for the obvious? It basically says as much, soldiers, and shit.
Hundreds of thousands of people, from mercs to soldiers, to the strongest in kingdoms, people who have trained their whole lives, or battle for a living, whatever, hell he even could briefly box Skull Knight.
It really doesn't matter in the end either way, given in the end it's exponentially greater than whatever Mikey has, which is what, fighting off a bunch of teenaged delinquents?
Like here's two more, Zodd > them btw. If you don't like these types of arguments, that isn't my concern, it was OP who turned this into a "1 vs. [big number]" contest, so that's exactly what is being contested.
And the funny part here is that's Zodd, Griffth in this scenario is tens of thousands of times inferior and is lasting a lil bit all the same, obviously nobody is going to say Griffith is equal to Zodd in skill (at this point), but we're talking about landing what would otherwise be a crippling blow on someone who hasn't even been touched in decades while facing whole armies solo, who has learned numerous fighting styles, is skilled enough to pick up random weapons laying around and use them at expert level, can fight Black Swordsman Guts and exchange dozens of strikes even landing a few hits on him, etc. as opposed to Mikey who based on the very arguments in this thread, is actually magnitudes of times quicker and stronger than the people he swept.
Like talk about skill all you want, but shit starts to pale when half the reason they won is because they just blitzed and ohko'd everyone. Doesn't help Griffith eclipses an early Guts too, who has been fighting in front lines since he was a child,
This doesn't work when half your arguments are just ways to continue arguing exactly that, if you're not claiming it, stop arguing it.
He is genius for that sure, doesn't mean he doesn't also neg diff people who are genius for CQC either.
Also, why "assumed"? Don't assume, either ask first or look it up yourself instead of just guessing.
My brother in Christ, if I tried to give him fear hax, I can guarantee I'd succeed and probably end up with it layered no less given it effected Guts.
Because his profile hasn't been (seriously) updated since like 5 years before you joined the wiki and the person who was handling it died so it's now probably going to be on me to revise Berserk, or idk maybe Legendarium
The answer is it's outdated, old, and the supporters don't have time to overhaul it, why ask when the answer is obvious.
You know Guts has murdered people double Zodd's size by that point right? And yet people of that size is also weaker than him?
And this has happened like 5 times by this point in the manga.
"Lmao"? Do us both a favor and please stop. Like if you're going to argue it, the least you could do is pick an excuse that isn't "well he's big" as if that means anything at all in context.
Idk man, it def feels like grasping, like be real now, you're bring up King who's a global figure with a bunch of falsehoods about him and also random luck slop to enforce it, not at all the same.
We know for a fact Apostles have a malignant aura that can induce unnatural behavior and effects in others, even insanity or suicide at times, even to humans that they're allied with no less without changing form. Hell not even just them, Skull Knight and Danan have such an overwhelming aura people can pick up when they show up without actually seeing them just from change in emotions or instinct but that's beside the point.
We know already know Guts has fought people far larger than Zodd, Zodd has done absolutely nothing Guts himself and others he fought hadn't already done by the time he says that, and Zodd is, you guessed my dude, an Apostle, a particular high ranking one at that. Your excuses simply do not apply.
So, yes, actually. In an attempt to discredit the very blatant showing that would grant Griffith the means to just laugh Mikey off, you're attempting to find ways to undermine it, or frame it as something else, when really all you're doing is talking about whataboutisms, and flipping what's actually happening into something else so you can argue it "doesn't count", and so on and so forth. Like social influencing, really? Guts hasn't even heard of the dude till literally right then, he hasn't seen him actually fight yet either, and "big" would make Guts think it should be easy given he's stomped people far larger.
I am not doing this with you dude, if you want to pull that, at least pick something that isn't easily provably faulty at the best of times.
Again, why are you asking me? I'm not OP.
And "upgrading"? Tbh the fact you think CRT's are made at a whim is a bit odd?
Upgrade to what exactly? The feats might exist but they still need to be calced for an exact value, and if we're making a CRT, we may as well cover everything instead of half assing it, no?
Unfortunately, I do not have the time to throw a 40 volume manga onto the list of projects right now, I would like to eventually, but eventually doesn't mean now, or even soon really, maybe a year or two.
If you want to do so, be my guest though.
Piercing/slicing, not really the same, he's probably lower end 9-A tho based on other Golden Age feats. Some of the stuff off the top of my head vibes like 0.01-0.03t.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Not enough to say 40-0 in favor of mikey
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I read this whole thread, pretty entertaining. Mikey's no pushover -- being so untouchable even against drastically lesser-skilled & weaker opponents is still a neat feat -- but I'm voting Griffith due to points raised by Chariot190: skill feats in far more dangerous situations & against far more powerful and skilled opponents, fearless against Zodd's Apostle fear aura that got to even Guts, has a range advantage with his sword, super-acrobatic himself, etc. The fate protection might make this a stomp but that wasn't the crux of the arguments, anyway; can just say it was disabled or emphasize that Mikey had KOing Griffith as a wincon but wouldn't be able to most times out of ten.
Here is a vote tally, with post numbers (prioritizing recent ones but sometimes confirmed earlier in the thread too).
Manjiro: Buzzflightyear #273, LostLightt #162
Griffith: Me, Chariot190 #305, Cipher72 #299, DavidTPPM #297, Dinozxd #288, XxZetsuxX #266/#110, Delusionaltx2 #201 (temporarily retracted his vote to wait for Chariot gathering scans but then the latter came back with even stronger args), Kazuma_kuwabara #189, Da3ggman #175, Dark_Soul20189 #170. Also probably Huesito88 #116, Robo432343 #106, and Nonynho #61, though I didn't see a clear-cut Y from them after the bulk of the arguments.
So at least 2-10, probably more like 2-13. Definitive result yet a fun puzzle to untangle.
Though, OP/LostLightt, I get that the digs at something you like were unpleasant. But instead of throwing insults, denying votes, threatening to report people (who weren't even razzing you that badly much less breaking rules), etc, imagine if you were more chill & nonchalant, if still asserting your case. Then others might have been like "Oh, this guy means well, I guess these Tokyo Revengers fans aren't all unpleasant as the ones I encountered before were," instead of confirming their disdain. Try playing it cool next time.
Here is a vote tally, with post numbers (prioritizing recent ones but sometimes confirmed earlier in the thread too).
Manjiro: Buzzflightyear #273, LostLightt #162
Griffith: Me, Chariot190 #305, Cipher72 #299, DavidTPPM #297, Dinozxd #288, XxZetsuxX #266/#110, Delusionaltx2 #201 (temporarily retracted his vote to wait for Chariot gathering scans but then the latter came back with even stronger args), Kazuma_kuwabara #189, Da3ggman #175, Dark_Soul20189 #170. Also probably Huesito88 #116, Robo432343 #106, and Nonynho #61, though I didn't see a clear-cut Y from them after the bulk of the arguments.
So at least 2-10, probably more like 2-13. Definitive result yet a fun puzzle to untangle.
Though, OP/LostLightt, I get that the digs at something you like were unpleasant. But instead of throwing insults, denying votes, threatening to report people (who weren't even razzing you that badly much less breaking rules), etc, imagine if you were more chill & nonchalant, if still asserting your case. Then others might have been like "Oh, this guy means well, I guess these Tokyo Revengers fans aren't all unpleasant as the ones I encountered before were," instead of confirming their disdain. Try playing it cool next time.
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Ah, I didn't know & was wondering why this match wasn't added. Sorry for the necro, then.
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Ts was 9 showers ago
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Alright, I was thinking it wasn't added just due to no one else wanting to count the votes in a dragged out-thread. Is it even possible to add a match if the OP gets banned before grace? If not then time to close/unfollow this ig.
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i still don't get how this verse in particular attracts these kind of people
