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Manjiro Sano Vs Yu The Boxer
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That ain't layered. Layers are only used when someone has a clear resistance to something and the ability pierces through that resistance. Example: A resists mind control, B uses greater mind control, A gets controlled. B has 1 layer of Mind manipulation. Adding abilities doesn't do much, it just gives depth to the power shown.
Fear manipulation, unless very heavily shown to be supernatural, can get countered by things like a mind set. If the guy showed that he can affect even the scariest people ever with the dark impulse maybe it'd be reasonable, but so far it doesn't even look like he can freeze a thug, something Yu can do very easily with just his presence.
An example of fear hax that are powerful and fully supernatural would probably be something like the fear spells from Skyrim where everyone without a specific resistance runs away until the effect is off. This type of fear hax is basically mind manipulation with extra steps.
When it comes to Mikey, it just ain't it chief.
Yu has an insane amount of skill to the point where he was able to disarm a thug with a gun and shoot the thug and his friend in the knees before they even realized what's happening, and he had never even held a gun by that point in the story. Anything he tries ends up being too easy for him, even pretty much all arcade games. He can adapt with ease against most martial arts.
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But he has never seen an opponent do it to the point it supernaturally effects people and we can't dismiss Manjiros unless Yu has resistance other wise it doesn't logically make sense and would defeat the purpose of the ability being listed.
But the context of his verse is boxing styles. Not weapons which is entirely different than hand to hand. It's just isn't logical to dismiss all of this in good faith when that's the point of martial artist being different than weapon mastery and on top that manjiro doesn't seem have a style to begin with and attacks on instinct to his bloodlust he isn't technical with a sword. It just isn't logical to me, sorry.
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Cool, ignore all my other replies and focus on the one you can't even win on.
Since when was trauma worse than seeing an active, real-life looking monster approaching you that literally stuns most delinquents.
No? Clearly not? Theres so much to go over.
azontr
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I can't vote because Yu stomps, Mikey has no win condition.
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Yu when Mikey amps his katana speed and slices his head off on accident.
azontr
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Your other replies say the same thing. There's nothing to go over.
Rikimarox2
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Yeah, I geniunely don't know what to tell you. None of the scans you have shown are really impressive in any regards (And informative? I'm sorry but the scans you have shown just show the aftermath apparently, I've not seen any actual fights, nor people apparently blitzing Mikey), and it isn't really a NLF when the dude already adapted to stuff of similar caliber (and as I said, Yu could very likely snap out of it via Enhanced Reaction Speed way before Mikey could even land a hit). Also, as I said, that "Fear" manip is super unimpressive, I'm sorry.
Maybe other people would disagree, but I'm going purely off of what you have shown and the profile, and none of them seemed enough or even close to Yu.
Also, you have not countered the Skill part, Yu currently seems to outskill Mikey to hell and back.
Anyways, we'll likely just be going back and forth, so, like I said before, I vote for Yu (and I hope we can start counting votes now).
Maybe other people would disagree, but I'm going purely off of what you have shown and the profile, and none of them seemed enough or even close to Yu.
Also, you have not countered the Skill part, Yu currently seems to outskill Mikey to hell and back.
Anyways, we'll likely just be going back and forth, so, like I said before, I vote for Yu (and I hope we can start counting votes now).
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if eggman's and lightyear's replies count as a vote then 5-2, if not then 4-1
Rikimarox2
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Based on simply skimming over it;
Yu: 6 votes (Rikimarox2, Azon, Arceus, XxZetsuxX, D3Eggman, Dark_Souls)
Mikey: 2 (Vzearr, Buzzflightyear)
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- Mikey stuns a hardened gangster, several at that.
- Mikey envelops them in fear by showing them a monster that looks straight out of a horror movie trying to kill you.
- Saying Yu adapted to stuff of a similar calibre is a pressuposition, you're claiming Yu would snap out of it with no evidence and then claim he would kill Mikey as I'd assume you're saying Mikey wouldn't even have moved before Yu snapped out of it, another assumption.
- Mikey has stunned people more hardened than Yu.
- Mikey has dura neg.
- Mikey has supernatural willpower.
- Mikey has AD.
- Mikey has outsped precognition with DI despite being slower initially.
I think you're severely underestimating the fact that Mikey has all these hax and complex ones at that, and then provide no evidence as to why Yu would counter Mikey's hax.
What the hell is wrong with you, when did I ever attack him? Stop trying to make me look bad.
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Why would your vote count lol. Did we not establish you're unreliable and potentially a rule breaker at the start. I can count it but it's funny.
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I gave my own arguments and not others
azontr
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Even if the golden years are over, even if The Boxer was only popular for a few years before being irrelevant to anybody with a pulse, I will never stop glazing. If Jung Ji-Hoon has no fans then I do not exist.
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Bro is already trying to ignore votes, this IS 2023 again ain't it. Fun times.
azontr
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All votes count even if you don't edit them into the OP. It's grace.
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Yu FRA
Rikimarox2
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And that should be grace.
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Screw this, I'm gonna use metaphysics and inference rules. I doubt you could actually try and argue with it.
So:
Yu landing a hit requires a causal chain of uninterrupted perception → decision of attack → attack
Mikey introduces an actual causal disruption =
F→(P = C)
His fear hax disrupt Yu's chain perception, as they work on people comparable to Yu's insanity.
Premise 1: Necessity of Perception
A fighter cannot land a hit without perceiving the opponent
Premise 2: Fear Disrupts Perception
Fear disrupts a users perception speed.
Conclusion: If fear activates, Yu cannot land the first hit.
Under PSR, Yu landing a hit requires uninterrupted perception and cognition. Mikey’s Dark Impulses induce perception disruption, negating these prerequisites. By modus tollens, Yu cannot initiate a successful hit/attack. Given equal starting speed and Mikey’s monotonic speed amplification, Mikey inevitably gets first-hit priority. Since both possess durability negation, the first successful hit determines the outcome. Therefore, Mikey wins.
- M= Mikey
- Y= Yu
- F= Fear/Perception Manipulation (DI)
- MD = Mikey’s dura-neg and paralysis
- YD = Yu’s dura-neg (internal damage)
- S = Equal starting speed
- MSA = Mikey’s speed amplification
- WHO = who lands the first decisive hit
So:
Yu landing a hit requires a causal chain of uninterrupted perception → decision of attack → attack
Mikey introduces an actual causal disruption =
F→(P = C)
His fear hax disrupt Yu's chain perception, as they work on people comparable to Yu's insanity.
Premise 1: Necessity of Perception
A fighter cannot land a hit without perceiving the opponent
Premise 2: Fear Disrupts Perception
Fear disrupts a users perception speed.
Conclusion: If fear activates, Yu cannot land the first hit.
Under PSR, Yu landing a hit requires uninterrupted perception and cognition. Mikey’s Dark Impulses induce perception disruption, negating these prerequisites. By modus tollens, Yu cannot initiate a successful hit/attack. Given equal starting speed and Mikey’s monotonic speed amplification, Mikey inevitably gets first-hit priority. Since both possess durability negation, the first successful hit determines the outcome. Therefore, Mikey wins.
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Its a sound argument for why Mikey wins.Son
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Why are you presupposing Yu can land a hit first?
azontr
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Wait what
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Oh i don't know, mabye because his starting move is a blitz technique with dura neg mixed into it?
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The fear induction being hot garbage that can't stop a thug properly
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Apparently, because Yu visualises his trauma that he's therefore immune to supernatural fear induction.
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The op states he HAS access to it not STARTS with it
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Oh I don't know maybe Mikey has rage power and also has an amp and instantly goes into DI because the fight is bloodlusted.
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He still needs time to activate it, Yu starts with a blitz amp, Mikey does not have time lol
azontr
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Then what the fudge have we even been arguing about
Yu just blitzes with Monster Stance the moment the fight starts, this is a stomp match just straight up.
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I just noticed it now too
Then what the fudge have we even been arguing about
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